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I did had that in mind cuz Dante shows you can do it off and on. Tho I thought supernatural willpower already considerate a possible counter
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Devil May Cry: Abilities removal
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A soldier doesn't have Supernatural Willpower. They have, at best, Pretty Aight Willpower
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Am soldier. Can confirm.
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We have blatant statements that inanimate objects somehow felt "fear" so i don't see a problem whatsoever.
Don't question how it works it just does
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I found the scene in question. They definitely manage to kill one of the Empusa, but overall it's not that effective.
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That is what the OP is proposing, yes.
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There is a violently massive difference between aura and fearhax.
There is also a massive difference between an artistic visual effect and fearhax. Every time a manga uses an aura-like effect, it doesn't mean magic is pumping wildly off the character.
These are mutually exclusive.
Also, having checked the Urizen scan, it is never stated to be fearhax. In fact, V specifically says it's his power.
Again, there's a difference between your aura demonstrating that you're powerful and dangerous, and actually manipulating fear itself independently.
Something too many people on this wiki, you included, don't seem to recognize.
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I disagree heavily with fearhax. Very specifically aura. Aura being misinterpreted as fearhax because it scares people has been a ******* epidemic on this site.
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no there isn't
aura covers fear hax
Aura
The ability to have energy envelop the user. It can be used (consciously or subconsciously) for various purposes (such as intimidation). This covers supernatural abilities only, natural effects fall under Social Influencing. Explosive – When activated, this type of aura creates a powerful shock...
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Then call it Aura and not fearhax.no there isn't
aura covers fear hax
Aura
The ability to have energy envelop the user. It can be used (consciously or subconsciously) for various purposes (such as intimidation). This covers supernatural abilities only, natural effects fall under Social Influencing. Explosive – When activated, this type of aura creates a powerful shock...
If it makes someone scared because the person is scary and dangerous to them and that is displayed by their aura, then it's just aura. 99.99% of Aura showings do this; they are not fearhax.
Fearhax implies that it would work on anyone by controlling their fear directly, even if they knowingly have no other reason to fear him, which we have never seen occur in Devil May Cry.
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yeah no
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a lot of characters from these verses literally have fear hax listed on their profiles because of their aura
its not just aura, its also fear hax
this is just simply not true
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Usually listing aura as fearhax requires wank a good amount of evidence that it's supernaturally inflicting fear rather than just sort of imposing your presence on someone who's weaker. For example Hunter X Hunter (and from my limited understanding, Bleach) have aura that does have a straight-up fear effect, and you need to be versed in the same power to resist it in-verse.
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If they have it listed because they have big auras, then the pages are wrong.yeah no
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a lot of characters from these verses literally have fear hax listed on their profiles because of their aura
its not just aura, its also fear hax
this is just simply not true
Also As Nodt literally has fear manip as his power
He doesnt just have it as a consequence of how aura is portrayed in his verse.
I was literally planning to use As Nodt as an illustration of my point. All of the other characters listed as examples on the fear manip page (that I know of) also have fear as an actual power of theirs.
You do not get fear manip just for scaring someone, any more than you get Mind Manip for convincing someone to change their mind
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This
Exactly this
Hunter X Hunter also has many people get scared of another person's aura because it shows that they're big strong.
Characters that do NOT have fear manip, because that would require having the specific power to control fear itself.
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Overall neutral, but I'll say this:
Lady shot DMC3 Dante in the face and made him bleed. One drop of 75% diluted Sparda blood with no devil trigger > 99.9% of the demon world, and Dante is 50%. She's Mary Stu lol
Lady shot DMC3 Dante in the face and made him bleed. One drop of 75% diluted Sparda blood with no devil trigger > 99.9% of the demon world, and Dante is 50%. She's Mary Stu lol
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I don't believe this ever came to a conclusion. Bump
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Most of the OP consists of an assumption about different degrees of canon with no basis. The novels are officially confirmed canon, there is no evidence of these assumed different levels of canon, and the sources linked talk about adaptations of the same story and inconsistencies between versions, not canon sequels and prequels, which is what the novels are.
The burdon of proof is not on us to prove that these confirmed canon events are as canon as each other, the burdon is on the OP to prove that from these two or three confirmed canon parts of the same story, some are less or more canon than others.
The burdon of proof is not on us to prove that these confirmed canon events are as canon as each other, the burdon is on the OP to prove that from these two or three confirmed canon parts of the same story, some are less or more canon than others.
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We've gone over this, that doesn't change the fact that there's more showings that disprove the fearhax than ones in favor of it. I think it's silly to claim that the novels hold as much weight as the games proper but even if you disagree with that it doesn't really change things much.
Anyhow, vote tally:
Fear stuff:
Anyhow, vote tally:
Fear stuff:
- Agreements: Deagonx, Me
- Disagreements: Glassman
- Neutral: Planck
- Agreements: Deagonx
- Disagreements: Planck, Glassman, Me
- Neutral:
- Agreements: Deagonx, Planck, Me
- Disagreements: Glassman
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@Catzlaflame @Mr. Bambu @Firestorm808 @Maverick_Zero_X @FinePoint
Could I trouble any of you to suffer through the above and help us come to a conclusion? Here is a summary of the current arguments:
you will be the first to be raptured
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I'm also in favor of removal
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I want it to be noted that Urizen and Dante's fearhax feats in VOV still prove it is within the main entries, because their powers are just Demon powers cranked up to like, 11 due to their Sparda blood, with the unique abilities from Sparda's blood being things like manipulating Names, not the effects of Demonic Energy in general that has been described in various material (Vol.1, Vol.2, Deadly Fortune, and VoV). Also, it occurs to me that Grue being able to resist (he was paralyzed, but he wasn't ripping out and eating his own eyes) his mind being zonked (and the fact Human Spirit acts as the equal opposite reaction to Demonic Energy, and how canonically allows Humans to overcome their foes) would be literal in story proof that humans can resist so long as they have the Will to do so. So I personally still maintain that the Fearhax should stay.
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People are ignoring the fact that games have been made explicitly taking existing novels in mind to avoid contradictions. Everything in the series holds the same weight (with the exception of the western adaptations).
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I share the same sentiments.
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In the interest of concluding this, there are now enough votes to apply the fear and probability stuff, but not the poison stuff.
In the interest of concluding this, there are now enough votes to apply the fear and probability stuff, but not the poison stuff.
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I'd like to mention that I don't think we've seen any actual rebuttal to the in-universe mechanics of human will/emotion and that some humans simply can resist (Grue) when others can't (Everyone else in the club eating their own eyes.)
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I feel like the argument of "normal human people can resist it, but not because it's weak but because of verse mechanics" is a very convenient one to make, and not a convincing one if based on very vague talks of the strength of human willpower. It's not like you ever see normal people suddenly being capable of fighting demons (even the same ones who can resist that hax, Lady aside)
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She’s literally this. So is Beryl, (who then harms them physically with her Anti-Demon Rifle) the Order of the Sword (who then harms them physically with their Anti-Demon Technology), Arkham (who then harms them with the Demon Magic he harnesses after a ritual), Chen (who altered his body with Demon DNA), and Arius (Harnesses Demon Magic from Argosax). They are all normal people who then suddenly gain “beat the **** out of Demon” capacity.
Hell, Arkham becomes goop because his human spirit/will is corrupt and as such is unworthy to wield Sparda’s power + reveals his malignant nature due to his evil thoughts and intentions turning him what he was on the inside-A foul person who cast aside emotion (humanity). The Ascension Ceremony is also built on this concept, based strength of will and spirit to survive and evolve from it, becoming what their thoughts are. (Credo became a genuine Angel with an unbreakable shield to mirror his resolve, Agnus became an ugly bug due to his flighty nature and dark heart, and Mr. Evil Pope became a “Messiah” because he genuinely believed he was one.)
This is a built in verse mechanic.
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You literally outlined how they all need special means to fight on even grounds with the demons. The willpower thing if taken at face value would imply they'd just be able to do that shit barehanded, given it mentions a great release of energy and so.
I'm not denying that it's a mechanic that exists in some capacity but I think it's silly to claim that it just so happens to be kicking in in every instance where humans aren't affected by the fearhax. Keep in mind that in a lot of those counter-showings the humans don't seem to be in any particular distress at all (see most of the anime showings in the OP), or on the contrary are terrified normal people who really shouldn't be assumed to all have incredible willpower that lets them partially ignore the ability or whatever (given that the ability is stated to straight-up drive normal people insane).
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I don't see how the two are linked. You're saying that keeping your sanity through willpower also means gaining superhuman strength through willpower. The two aren't connected.
It's hard to say they're not affected by fear hax when they are afraid, or if the demons are trying to speak with them. Pretty much every ant-feat here features humans who are scared, or it's Lady who is clearly different.
The anime showings all show the people being fearful. It seems like this whole interpretation is at best basically taking anti-feats as proof. I also don't see how guys being terrified but not maddened is a fear hax anti-feat instead of just a madness hax anti-feat. At very best it seems unreasonable to get rid of abilities that are so blatantly stated over and over due to inconsistencies, let alone when such a standard could be applied to many verses.
What's happening here is you're looking at an ability that is directly and explicitly stated to exist and has been shown in action several times, and you're deciding that it doesn't exist.
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Incorrect. He's not referring to damage, but to seemingly resisting fearhax.
It's hard to say they're not affected by fearhax when they're afraid? Of the big scary monsters? Like normal people?
It's because fearhax needs to be treated with heavy scrutiny, since it's over-applied in the incredibly vast majority of cases.
Because there's more to suggest it doesn't. And, again, because fearhax requires a greater deal of scrutiny than most abilities due to how easy it is to incorrectly apply it.
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I agree to these removals.
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