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Debunking Bill Cipher's 2-A tier + Axolotl downgrade
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I agree with Bill getting solid 2-A
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Yeah, switching to solid 2-A Bill FRA.
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Solid 2-A FRA.
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That's grace. Shall we add this as a win against TOAA or?
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D E W I T .TheArsenal1212 said:
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These downgrade threads are honestly annoying the heck out of me. Like, everyone's taking a stab to downgrade Bill (I call it downplay) to where he's weaker than people like Bubsy or smth.
It's irritating.
It's irritating.
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God no someone should immedieatly make a post stopping all bill cipher downgrades for the next like, 2 months at least.Paul Frank said:
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I agree with keeping 2-A(sorry,Shadow)
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Woah
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The way I see it, if Bill Cipher cannot destroy the multiverse then he can at least warp reality on a 2-A scale, either way that buts him in the tier.
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agree what sure Bill changed scaled to 2-A now. 2-A for FRA.
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When things look bleak, that's when Kepekley23 will come and bring with him actual discussion into a thread.
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I feel like we need to match up Altair vs Bill yet again to actually start proving a point, but I digress.
So he's not Low 2-C anymore, but 2A??
If so, this is not gonna go over well, since all the versus discussions are going to be radically different with something along the lines of "oh but he has comparable AP due to being in same tier so he can affect this and this".
So he's not Low 2-C anymore, but 2A??
If so, this is not gonna go over well, since all the versus discussions are going to be radically different with something along the lines of "oh but he has comparable AP due to being in same tier so he can affect this and this".
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> Bill upgrades = Actually downgrades
> Bill downgrades = Actually upgrades
If we can keep the same pace with the downgrade threads, we can get Bill to tier 0 in about a week.
> Bill downgrades = Actually upgrades
If we can keep the same pace with the downgrade threads, we can get Bill to tier 0 in about a week.
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that's the bad part. cause most of the evidence is still merely "flavor talk"
Inb4 after the upgrade we match up Bill to a bunch of solid 2As to prove he ain't nothing in actual 2A matchups.
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Show me he can do that on a Digimon-esque level, then I might be convinced :3Iamunanimousinthat said:
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This is irrelevent. If his feats is of a certain tier, we shall rate him as such.Dragopentling said:
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Yet nearly all the 2A characters here practically outdo him in AP. If we want to actuall toy with the 2A thing, he'd be AT MOST baseline 2A and no better whatsoever.LephyrTheRevanchist said:
His 2A AP calcs will be vague, regardless.
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plenty of 2-C and 2-B entities like Arceus, Rimuru, and Monika still yeet on Bill, in all honesty.
Even Yukari and Compo Ghidorah can screw him over, too, despite being High 4-C and High 3-A, respectively.
I feel like the 2-A change will become an excuse to say "oh but his durability and AP prevent him from touched" if we were actually do such matches with aforementioned entities.
Even Yukari and Compo Ghidorah can screw him over, too, despite being High 4-C and High 3-A, respectively.
I feel like the 2-A change will become an excuse to say "oh but his durability and AP prevent him from touched" if we were actually do such matches with aforementioned entities.
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@Dragopentling
Whatever the tier of any other character is 100% irrelevant for the purpose of this thread.
Whatever the tier of any other character is 100% irrelevant for the purpose of this thread.
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No it actually kinda is. Cause if the 2A revision goes through, any wins, if not all, of Bill's victories or Incons in that tier will be via sheer virtue of fancy dialogue evidence that still don't really have much concrete foundation to them. Imagine the amount of supporters trying to prove how he can beat somebody like Madoka or Lucemon. Those versus threads can very well grow toxic and the supposed legitimacies of the results will be taken too much for granted, when Bill really never physically showed anything on a 2A scaled feat. He's still very much a 3D entity as well, in case anyone forgot.LephyrTheRevanchist said:
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Didn't it get concluded Bill was 4-D in another thread though?
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4D Bill was rejected multiple times.
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No it was rejectedTheArsenal1212 said:
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And that still is irrelevant to his tier being a certain level or not.
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How vs threads will play out with 2-A Bill is completely inconsequential to the revision.
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I said before for like maybe the 10th time. Bill's 2-A feats are virtue of dialogue, and we never actually see him rip up stuff on anything close to a multiversal level. At best, "likely 2-A" description is the more fitting (and still a reach), if we absolutely must have 2A, regardless.Edwardtruong2006 said:
That said, I apologize for mentioning other unrelated characters, but I was trying to get across my point with examples.
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If we're accepting 2-A then it should be "At least Low 2-C, possibly 2-A."
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^I'd be ALL in for this one, if anything
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