ShionAH
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Its only in the mindscape, so he can only achieve this if he for some reason fights someone in the mindscape.
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Immeasurable Bill Cipher has Blaring Problems
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Supports what, measurable speed? Wdym support stuff how can he travel galaxies in seconds if his speed alone is beyond linear time.
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It's like saying "how can a character have this FTL feat if he's already MFTL."
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So, the phrasing in the scan is "patrolled a billion-year radius around Earth’s temporal perimeter."
This is acceptable, yes?
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bro how was dipper and mabel outrunning a bloodlusted bill if he has immeasurable speed??
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Thats not the case here, you are comparing a measurable speed feat to a immeasurable one, you are comparing a movement that is part of linear time as it takes seconds to reach the place to justify something that is completely above that. If the galaxies were infinite in size the justification would be perfeclty fine if he had Infinite speed.
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Curious /s
It is, if Time Baby is covering that distance without Time Powers or gear. Which is what I'm assuming "perceiving it as a physical radius" is trying to mean.
If Time Baby is solely doing that with Time Powers and like, Cosmic Awarness then it's not an Immeasurabl justification.
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Can we not turn this in an anti-feat thread?
Anyway, I still don't see anything wrong with it. It's still a speed feat he did... and we can't just pretend it does not exist. Completionism sake and all.
ShionAH
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PIS, we literally see Bill can blitz them if he wants to
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Yeah I was a bit dumbfolded at you saying "it's not enough" then adding "yeah now it is" in the same post. I could have said it better.
The scan says that the his goons are "patrolling the earth" through that radius, implying they're crossing it physically.
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So... you mean you agree that Bill isn't have Immeasurable speed.
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No? It’s only some of justifications are iffy, I myself don’t really agree with “patrolling time radius” part because it’s metaphorical imo, but other parts of justification are good.
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I see that it Bill must be Massively FTL+ flight and reaction speed (or jast Massively FTL+), likely Immeasurable combat speed
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Discounting Time Baby as being a Chrono-Giant who isn't immeasurable without powers/gear the initial feats of time travel without the ability to alter time would be an immeasurable feat.
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Desperation do be like this.
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Time Baby does naturally have time powers, and the time-traveling devices channel his powers as a source, which is why I don’t agree with it being a good justification. “Radius” is just metaphorical way of describing that they check on external invasions from a certain year to a certain year.
Bill Cipher, on the other hand, didn’t have time powers or access to time devices, so first parts of justification are good to me.
Real.
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How we interpret feats sometimes doesn’t match how the author interprets them. If the verse doesn’t treat this time travel as something very fast and there are tons of anti-feats against it, then it shouldn’t be ignored. I could literally write about a character who can time travel without using any magic while still believing his speed is not faster than light. I swear some of y'all are so absorbed in the site rules that y'all forgotten how to think like a normal person
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This is fallacious as it relies on author intent, something you cannot prove.
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I mean, if the verse doesn’t treat it as something significant or an act of moving very fast, then you could reasonably argue that the way author interpreted moving through time is not the same way we interpret them. Look at the "wandering eyes" from Instant Death. It can travel through time physically, yet people below LS treat it as slow
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Cool. Doesn't change the fact that Bill did it without being able to manipulate time.
You'd have to argue the thing is an outlier, and that'd require a thread on its own (which will mostly likely fail as you're going by personal beliefs than facts).
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Even with or without time manipulation, it doesn’t change what I just said, hence the argument about time travel without using magic.
I'm curious how you reached the conclusion that I'm arguing it’s an outlier, or why you think it’s a belief when the feat in question isn’t even a fact but rather subjective.
But whatever.
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In terms of plot and like, overall depiction I doubt Bill would be portrayed as Immeasurable with any degree of consistency. Since if he was I doubt anything in the plot could legitimately challenge him.
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Two 12 years old kids:
Hellformer
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Shhh they have immeasurable speed
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Bill was specifically holding back against Ford in the hopes he could join him again, and he's shocased to actually blitz the Pines.
But anyway, can we close this? We've began to spam with irrelevant stuff and people started to use anti-feats (
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i'm not sure about combat speed he was having a hard time while fighting mystery shack house the house was controling by dipper and the others
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I'll revise the profile accordingly.
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Hey, shouldn't you wait more staff for this?
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