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On a Kryptonite island (And to be Frank without one), Supes would get slapped by Thor and Hulk.
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DEATHBATTLE! Accuracy Scale [Part 5]
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Superman would only really win that fight with superior speed or OoC tactics like BFR'ing Hulk and gunning for Thor. That's not even getting into a kryptonite island rapidly weakening and killing him.
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Yup.
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The meteor feat is from a crossover game, not UDON comics plus thats performed by Shin Akuma, vastly above Akuma and even more above RyuPuasLuisZX said:
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The FTL rating is questioned now, but even without that it still has the Sub-Relativistic lasers from the Devil Gene users and reaction to it, so Jin would still blitz
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Also as it was brought up, Hulk is superior in AP by a lot and he traded blows with Sentry too while holding back( Hulk said he indeed held back) so he is also more durable, Doomsday trying to blitz him isnt a factor, he would try to engage with him in battle and get overpowered badly
His poison spikes shouldnt be considered as a reason, Hulk can deal that with Regenerationn and only Zeus was able to overpower the regen and thats a character around multiversal range of power
His poison spikes shouldnt be considered as a reason, Hulk can deal that with Regenerationn and only Zeus was able to overpower the regen and thats a character around multiversal range of power
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The problem with Hulk vs Doomsday is that it seems like neither one has a way of winning. Hulk may be stronger (though Doomsday beating Darkseid may even that out), but Doomsday is way faster and can't really be put down by physical force anymore. I doubt that the gamma radiation would actually affect Doom that much, with worst case being he adapts to it. I still think the poison bones would do something since it can mess with Superman and Hulk doesn't outright resist poison. Otherwise, it may be inconclusive
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The difference in AP and durability would be clear as day, poison isnt a factor, is there proof the poison can deal with Hulk regen?He even healed from decapitation, i really dont see poison being that helpful
if you were to put Doomsday against a characters thats physically universal or such, are we gonna claim Doomsday can just tank these and be fine cuz you cant beat him?
if you were to put Doomsday against a characters thats physically universal or such, are we gonna claim Doomsday can just tank these and be fine cuz you cant beat him?
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To add, Doomsday isn't immune to physical force. He just becomes durable enough to better withstand what previously killed him. H/P Doomsday was still harmed by Superman and was beaten to death by a small army of Kryptonians.
Doomsday wins in an early fight. He's better all around than base Hulk. The issue here was that DB said that DD beats WBH, when there isn't evidence of that unless he acts massively out of character.
Doomsday wins in an early fight. He's better all around than base Hulk. The issue here was that DB said that DD beats WBH, when there isn't evidence of that unless he acts massively out of character.
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Hulk can just punch him to death like how he was killed before by others too, since Doomsday wont try blitzing and likely go right at him to brawl him out, he will get killed in the long run, also against Superman he still died by brute force even though their battle took a while
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Doomsday is faster than Hulk by a good degree, even if you ignore the Shattered God feat. The issue is that Doomsday does not dodge anything in character and is more of a punch vs punch sorta dude.
Although as a note, in a standard matchup DD wins imo. Hulk's range amps vary a lot and his strongest forms require outside amps or extreme personal emotional trauma. I think DB is wrong because they used WBH, if they kept it Green Scar I wouldn't have an issue.
Although as a note, in a standard matchup DD wins imo. Hulk's range amps vary a lot and his strongest forms require outside amps or extreme personal emotional trauma. I think DB is wrong because they used WBH, if they kept it Green Scar I wouldn't have an issue.
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So then where it should be situated considering all this
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"101. Vegeta vs Shadow the Hedgehog | Reason: Shadow blitzes Mewtwo before he can think. GET IT? HE'S A PSYCHIC TYPE! [BIG BLITZ] | Animation: 8/10"
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- His death against Radient took a couple centuries or decades (forget which). EDIT: Actually Superman said it took thousands of years so there's that.
- His death against Superman took multiple weeks
- He was healed or cloned by Lex after Imperiex
- The New Krypton death also took a notable period of time
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Mario vs Sonic 1 (Star Mario vs Super Sonic): 3-C, MFTL+ Star Mario at best vs 2-A, Immeasurable Archie Super Sonic (this was before they banned Archie). Yeah, Sonic wins handily.
Mega Man vs Astro Boy (Super Adaptor vs Astro Boy): Had to rewatch the episode for this one to determine which Astro Boy they used. Looks like it was a mix of the manga, 1960s, and 1980s anime. While they used footage from his game and the 2009 movie, no feats from them are addressed. So that means it's 5-A MFTL Rock vs Low 5-B FTL+ Adam (80s strength and 60s speed). Looks like Mega Man wins this one, now it's Wrong, Decent
Mario vs Sonic 2 (Star Mario vs Hyper Sonic): Again, 3-C, MFTL+ Star Mario vs 2-C Immeasurable Hyper Sonic. Sonic wins. It's now Wrong, Decent.
Sephiroth vs Vergil (Sephiroth vs DMC3 Devil Trigger Vergil): Still no change, Angel Boy still too strong
Son Goku vs Superman 1 (SSJ4 Goku vs Post-Crisis Superman): Thanks to anime feats, SSJ4 Goku wipes the floor with Clark. Research is still bad though.
Ghost Rider vs Lobo (Zarathos vs Lobo): The issue of Zarathos' immortality and Penance Stare still makes this fight Iffy.
-Sora vs Pit (DDD Sora vs Three Sacred Treasures Pit): Pit's varying power makes this difficult to nail down, so it's still Iffy until Pit has a more firm power rating.
-Naruto Uzumaki vs Ichigo Kurosaki (Tailed Beast Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto vs True Bankai Merged Hollow Ichigo): Actually looking over the numbers shows that Ichigo is 20x stronger than Naruto. Even if the speed isn't quite enough for a blitz, the strength is enough for a stomp. Unfortunately, Johnny Yong Bosch still wins.
The Shredder vs Silver Samurai (Super Shredder vs SS): Thanks to Shred-Head becoming Relativistic, he now wins. It's now Right, Decent.
Ryu vs Jin Kazama (Mu no Ken Ryu vs Devil Jin): Ryu's too slow and too weak, Jin wins.
Dr. Eggman vs Dr. Wily (Basically Metal Overlord vs Super Adaptor Bass): Metal Overlord too fast, he wins.
Vegeta vs Shadow the Hedgehog (SSJ2 Vegeta vs Super Shadow): Shadow still breathes on him and wins.
Bowser vs Ganondorf (Bowser vs Ganon): Since it's just Triforce of Power Ganon, Bowser's still too fast and too strong.
Tigerzord vs Gundam Epyon (Mega Tigerzord vs Epyon): Tommy's too fast and too strong, and that's without his Zord.
Son Goku vs Superman 2 (SSB Goku vs Superman): Yeah, Go-Blue's too strong and too fast.
Carnage vs Lucy (Carnage vs EoS "Long Horn" Lucy): Thanks to Lucy now being Sub-Rel (thanks Migue), it's now accurate. Still only decent research because of how they handled Carnage.
Sasuke Uchiha vs Hiei (Six Paths Susano'o vs Jaganshi Hiei): the non-canon feat was inflated, Sasuke still wins easily.
Guts vs Nightmare (Berserker Armor Guts vs Night Terror): One poke and Guts is dead, it's still wrong, as much as I hate to admit it.
Mewtwo vs Shadow the Hedgehog (Mega Mewtwo Y vs Super Shadow): Shadow still too fast and powerful, it's still Wrong, Decent.
Mega Man vs Astro Boy (Super Adaptor vs Astro Boy): Had to rewatch the episode for this one to determine which Astro Boy they used. Looks like it was a mix of the manga, 1960s, and 1980s anime. While they used footage from his game and the 2009 movie, no feats from them are addressed. So that means it's 5-A MFTL Rock vs Low 5-B FTL+ Adam (80s strength and 60s speed). Looks like Mega Man wins this one, now it's Wrong, Decent
Mario vs Sonic 2 (Star Mario vs Hyper Sonic): Again, 3-C, MFTL+ Star Mario vs 2-C Immeasurable Hyper Sonic. Sonic wins. It's now Wrong, Decent.
Sephiroth vs Vergil (Sephiroth vs DMC3 Devil Trigger Vergil): Still no change, Angel Boy still too strong
Son Goku vs Superman 1 (SSJ4 Goku vs Post-Crisis Superman): Thanks to anime feats, SSJ4 Goku wipes the floor with Clark. Research is still bad though.
Ghost Rider vs Lobo (Zarathos vs Lobo): The issue of Zarathos' immortality and Penance Stare still makes this fight Iffy.
-Sora vs Pit (DDD Sora vs Three Sacred Treasures Pit): Pit's varying power makes this difficult to nail down, so it's still Iffy until Pit has a more firm power rating.
-Naruto Uzumaki vs Ichigo Kurosaki (Tailed Beast Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto vs True Bankai Merged Hollow Ichigo): Actually looking over the numbers shows that Ichigo is 20x stronger than Naruto. Even if the speed isn't quite enough for a blitz, the strength is enough for a stomp. Unfortunately, Johnny Yong Bosch still wins.
The Shredder vs Silver Samurai (Super Shredder vs SS): Thanks to Shred-Head becoming Relativistic, he now wins. It's now Right, Decent.
Ryu vs Jin Kazama (Mu no Ken Ryu vs Devil Jin): Ryu's too slow and too weak, Jin wins.
Dr. Eggman vs Dr. Wily (Basically Metal Overlord vs Super Adaptor Bass): Metal Overlord too fast, he wins.
Vegeta vs Shadow the Hedgehog (SSJ2 Vegeta vs Super Shadow): Shadow still breathes on him and wins.
Bowser vs Ganondorf (Bowser vs Ganon): Since it's just Triforce of Power Ganon, Bowser's still too fast and too strong.
Tigerzord vs Gundam Epyon (Mega Tigerzord vs Epyon): Tommy's too fast and too strong, and that's without his Zord.
Son Goku vs Superman 2 (SSB Goku vs Superman): Yeah, Go-Blue's too strong and too fast.
Carnage vs Lucy (Carnage vs EoS "Long Horn" Lucy): Thanks to Lucy now being Sub-Rel (thanks Migue), it's now accurate. Still only decent research because of how they handled Carnage.
Sasuke Uchiha vs Hiei (Six Paths Susano'o vs Jaganshi Hiei): the non-canon feat was inflated, Sasuke still wins easily.
Guts vs Nightmare (Berserker Armor Guts vs Night Terror): One poke and Guts is dead, it's still wrong, as much as I hate to admit it.
Mewtwo vs Shadow the Hedgehog (Mega Mewtwo Y vs Super Shadow): Shadow still too fast and powerful, it's still Wrong, Decent.
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Pit still has the vast speed advantage
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but is it thought based? Also I'm pretty sure it's not in character for Sora to start with it
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What if the match up were with ATT Ragna the BloodedgeSorvoe551 said:
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They scale to Akuma "island" boosting punch (which was mountain level before recalculations), and then they mentioned about him destroying a meteor in a UDON Street Fighter and Darkstalkers crossover.
Still, 7-A Ryu could be happening.
The meteor feat is from a crossover game, not UDON comics plus thats performed by Shin Akuma, vastly above Akuma and even more above Ryu
They still scaled Ryu to that for some reason
Still, 7-A Ryu could be happening.
The meteor feat is from a crossover game, not UDON comics plus thats performed by Shin Akuma, vastly above Akuma and even more above Ryu
They still scaled Ryu to that for some reason
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And? The scaling was shit, they went off with the idea Ryu in base compares to Akuma
Also funny how they claimed BV movie cant be used when creator never said its non canon, yet a crossover feat by a form above regular Akuma was perfectly fine
Also funny how they claimed BV movie cant be used when creator never said its non canon, yet a crossover feat by a form above regular Akuma was perfectly fine
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yeah its probably the worst researched recent battle
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Let's see...Guts vs Nightmare came out in 2015 and the most recent Blazblue game at the time was Chronophantasma. Ragna was Low 6-B at minimum and 5-A at max, whether he be using his Azure Grimoire or as the Black Beast. So at their best forms, Ragna stomps Guts easily and is slightly stronger than Nightmare. Main problem there is he's way faster than Nightmare, so he blitzes easily.
Let's see...Guts vs Nightmare came out in 2015 and the most recent Blazblue game at the time was Chronophantasma. Ragna was Low 6-B at minimum and 5-A at max, whether he be using his Azure Grimoire or as the Black Beast. So at their best forms, Ragna stomps Guts easily and is slightly stronger than Nightmare. Main problem there is he's way faster than Nightmare, so he blitzes easily.
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Seems so, but if Pit is 6-C and can't hurt him, it won't matter in that case. Is it in character for Pit to try and speed blitz his opponents? As for Sora's usual style, here's the quote from his profile under DDD:
Sora no longer has any of the summons of before, but he can use Link Attacks and Dual Attacks alongside two of his Dream Eaters (Which he can change as needed), Flowmotion is also a new trick for Sora here, allowing to perform a lot of aerial strategies as needed.
"As Sora's basic combo is not as effective as in past games, Sora uses advanced Keyblade Techniques like Ars Arcanum or Magic spells like Zero Graviza to attack, Flowmotion is also the most used if the target is too tough, and as usual, Sora will use any of his available options depending on what the situation calls for."
So if it's in character for Pit to try and make a ranged fight happen (which seems more appropriate since that's what most of his game was about), Sora can Reflect and use magic hax to get around that.
Seems so, but if Pit is 6-C and can't hurt him, it won't matter in that case. Is it in character for Pit to try and speed blitz his opponents? As for Sora's usual style, here's the quote from his profile under DDD:
Sora no longer has any of the summons of before, but he can use Link Attacks and Dual Attacks alongside two of his Dream Eaters (Which he can change as needed), Flowmotion is also a new trick for Sora here, allowing to perform a lot of aerial strategies as needed.
"As Sora's basic combo is not as effective as in past games, Sora uses advanced Keyblade Techniques like Ars Arcanum or Magic spells like Zero Graviza to attack, Flowmotion is also the most used if the target is too tough, and as usual, Sora will use any of his available options depending on what the situation calls for."
So if it's in character for Pit to try and make a ranged fight happen (which seems more appropriate since that's what most of his game was about), Sora can Reflect and use magic hax to get around that.
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What if speed was equalized?
What if speed was equalized?
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Well after being informed, I was incorrect about Doomsday's scaled AP. He scales to 615 KiloFoe not 1.08 KiloFoe. That means Doomsday is 1.58x above Savage Hulk and 1.62x below World Breaker Hulk. Meaning the gap is rather small so speed before more of an issue
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If we take consistent stuff then Hulk blitz stomps I guess. If we only look at the highest ends then Doomsday is roughly twice as fast. Now this doesn't change my view that Hulk wins, its just closer than it originally was.
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- This feat is something like 2.629e+11x FTL
- 1.79836e+12x FTL
- 5e+14x FTL
- This feat is something like 1.2e+15x FTL
- 1.67e+15x FTL
- 4.88808e+16x FTL
If we take consistent stuff then Hulk blitz stomps I guess. If we only look at the highest ends then Doomsday is roughly twice as fast. Now this doesn't change my view that Hulk wins, its just closer than it originally was.
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Where does 615 kilofoe come from?
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Flash's infinite mass punch.
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I'm confused, I don't see that result on the calculation page.
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...der/Flash:_Explaining_the_Infinite_Mass_Punch
- Method 1: 6.15900e49 Joules or 0.6159 MegaFoe
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so Mewtwo is MFTL now, so him beating shadow should go back into right as shadow doesn't blitz anymore
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Nope, because the research is considered based around the feats at the time of the fight. We discussed this after we found out Mewtwo's strength increase came from a Zygarde manga feat, which wasn't a thing when the fight came out. Unless the MFTL for Mewtwo is from an old feat, it's still wrong.
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I mean on that same notion, Shadow was only 7-B and Mewtwo was High 7-A at the time.
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I realize that I worded that poorly, so I'll try again. I meant feats that were around at the time. If they're recalculated to be even higher, then it's still valid since it was a factor when the fight came out. For example, Dante used to be High 6-A before DMC5 came out and made the novels canon. Looking back through the novels, we found the time that Dante beat the version of Mundus that was the universe with relative ease. Beause that novel took place before 4, the most recent DMC game at the time, it made Dante 3-A for the fight and was therefore right.
So if the feat that made Mewtwo MFTL was from before July 2016, then we can change it. If not, it's still wrong
So if the feat that made Mewtwo MFTL was from before July 2016, then we can change it. If not, it's still wrong
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Even if that was true Zephy, as seen in previous threads the rechearch team doesn't accept blitzing before a transformation as a win con, they consider the strongest forms, so it would be 2-C Shadow and immesurable versus 4-B MewtwoZephyrosOmega said:
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