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DEATHBATTLE! Accuracy Scale [Part 4]

Elise boosting Sonic is literally what got him upgraded in the first place, and that would make it outside help. Also peak is subjective. If a legitimate weakness is that you're not at your peak and you never started at your peak, then that's still taken into account. Fulgore and Mob didn't start out at 100%, and Ben would've still had to deal with the randomness of the Omnitrix if it was just original series. But that's neither here nor there and this isn't a Sonic thread.

Bro, the gap in speed is in the billions. Shadow has trouble with the slightly faster Sonic's speed. There's literally nothing he can do before getting blitzed. Mewtwo makes three hundred billion moves before Shadow makes a single one.

"Swapping stats 2000x above you're is a msssive NLF"

Except Mewtwo handled tier 4 power before in Mega and Shadow forms.
 
> Elise boosting Sonic is literally what got him upgraded in the first place, and that would make it outside help

Irrelevant, it's still headcanon unsupported that most of us don't use anymore, this is the opposite of a refute

> Also peak is subjective. If a legitimate weakness is that you're not at your peak and you never started at your peak, then that's still taken into account.

That's why I never said Shadow starts in his super form, but the super forms power would still be his peak, plus Solaris was under Shadow's victorys in that episode, so Shadow will be 2-C and immesurable, even 2-A based on what Ultraguy said on his Archie "debunk" blog

> Bro, the gap in speed is in the billions. Shadow has trouble with the slightly faster Sonic's speed

Those characters can actualy harm him, Mewtwo literaly can't, he will be like a really fast fly to Shadow

> speed. There's literally nothing he can do before getting blitzed.

Which does nothing because he can simply tank it and use time hax

> Mewtwo makes three hundred billion moves before Shadow makes a single one.

Which Shadow can tank those by being 2000 times stronger, plus in Generations the emeralds turned Sonic into super after KO, so while being beatdown they will just turn him super
 
Welp, I have some editing to do. Once we make our verdict on All Might vs Guy tomorrow, I'll post the list up without Right, Good and we can move on to finalizing the list before Season 7 starts
 
The real cal howard wrote

Except Mewtwo handled tier 4 power before in Mega and Shadow forms.

Doesn't change that he can't do that in base
 
They regained consciousness before going Super. Sonic even taunts before going Super. Not to mention it doesn't matter as this is a fight to the death.

Also no. No matter how much he tanks those he gets haxed to death well before Shadow can say the first syllable of "Chaos"
 
Doesn't change that he can't do that in base

It proves that Mewtwo's body can handle being boosted to tier 4 tho? Speaking of which, MegaTwo still oneshots base.
 
Theuser789 said:
Heck, Shadow is so durable that Mewtwo would harm himself by hitting him like a human does to a wall
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Mewtwo isn't dumb. If he realizes that he cannot harm Shadow, and instead harms himself, he won't use physical attacks anymore (He also doesn't lead with them anyway). He also has plenty of healing options if he injures himself and resurrection in case he gets killed by it.
 
The emeralds were already circling him and he was flying, he was already transforming, the emeralds splicitaly circled him before he even got conciouness, so he already was going super there, which would happen here

That hax that he resists... And also Shadow doesn't need to say Chaos Control to use it, that's just a fancy way, Shadow already used multiple chaos abilities without saying their names

Shadow is literaly over 9000 times stronger, resists the hax, and has ways to bypass the speed gap
 
I honestly don't buy massively FTL+ movement speed Mario, since he's only shown that via Launch Stars and vehicles which he needed to get a boost from to get to that speed, unless proven otherwise if you can give me a source on it, so honestly, he only has massively FTL+ reaction speed, but massively FTL+ speed as a whole, so Sonic can dodge an attack from Mario, find out that it's so much more powerful than him, then go Super Sonic to finish the job.
 
He has Massively FTL+ combat and reaction speed, so Sonic won't be dodging anything. Also, movement speed is the least useful in a fight out of the three types.
 
Yeah, it does seem shady NGL. The Millenium Star feat at the very least shouldn't be used or at least should be reworded, since it's stated to have fallen. Not everyone can move at terminal velocity, for example. Falling Speed =/= Movement speed.
 
Not base Mewtwo no, plus moment Shadow stops time he also gets one shoot or goes super, or uses Chaos Blast AOE, or slows time, or teleports away and goes super, etc., Shadow resists the hax, emeralds can turn him super automaticaly, Mewtwo would literaly harm himself if he even tries to hit Shadow giving him his window of opportunity, plus Shadow also has his own heal as well, not that he needs it
 
Also I almost forgot, Shadow can literaly just teleport away mid Mewtwo's attack and go super then come back, and teleportation is instant and ic, and Mewtwo is so weak he couldn't stop it
 
But Mewtwo still uses TK and other attacks outside of instant hax, attacks Shadow tanks and teleports away and goes super, teleportation that's thought based and instant and ic
 
Well, not always, because if something fires at you so much faster than you and you react to it and dodge, then you may not be able to move out of the way in time, since you may be able to react to it, but you may not be able to move fast enough to dodge it. If I see a car moving at 100mph trying to run over me and I dodge it in time, that doesn't mean I have subsonic movement speed.
 
Sonic was probably already conscious, tbh, and just dazed. After all, he was responding to the cheers of his friends. Besides, if he didn't regain consciousness, it'd just turn him into a KO'd Super Sonic.

Shadow only resists mind manipulation of what Mewtwo has, as well as soul. The gap in speed is sooooo much higher than the gap in strength that it's not even funny. A 9000+ times gap versus a 300000000000+ times gap. Before Shadow can even think about stopping time, anything that could happen would happen. Mewtwo goes Mega and one shots. Mewtwo bypasses the mind hax resistance with Miracle Eye. Mewtwo turns him into stone. Mewtwo turns him into light. Mewtwo takes the Emeralds and uses them on himself. Mewtwo spatial haxes. Mewtwo swaps stats and one shots. Mewtwo traps him in one of his special pokeballs. Mewtwo Time travels and breaks his test tube. Etc. Three hundred billion moves he can make. Shadow can't even hit him as Mewtwo mind reads and precogs and can easily react to any attempts to stop time.

Sure, Shadow now wins with speed equalized. But just as it used to be argued that Shadow just lolblitzes in this match, the shoe's on the other foot now. He gets lolblitzed instead.
 
Also, you just admitted to Mario having massively FTL+ combat and reaction speed, so shouldn't it say on Mario's page "Massively FTL+ combat and reaction speed" and not "Massively FTL+"?
 
Mario is capable of moving while in flight after being launched by a Lanch Star. He can also dodge meteors that can tag a spaceship which moves at Massively FTL+ speeds. What point are you even trying to make?
 
Unoriginal Memes said:
Mario is capable of moving while in flight after being launched by a Lanch Star. He can also dodge meteors that can tag a spaceship which moves at Massively FTL+ speeds. What point are you even trying to make?
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Yes, because that's REACTION SPEED AND HE'S MOVING SO THAT HE'S NOT IN DANGER. I guess all skydivers have subsonic speed then...
 
@Cal and everyone in this discussion

Actualy I just realized this entire discussion is completely pointless, this thread is rating how right a Death Battle is at the time of release the Zygarde feat scaling him to alola pokémon and thus Mewtwo is from the most recent Manga chapter, which did not exist when the battle was made, thus that feat wasn't used since it didn't even exist back then, so Mewtwo was only rel+ so it's still wrong simply for that reason and this discussion was pointless ahaha

Also even if somehow Mewtwo stole the emeralds from Shadow, which I heavely doubt that would be possible because of hammerspace and the fact he doesn't even know Shadow has them, they would do nothing to Mewtwo because he has no aptitude on Chaos Energy, the emeralds would just fly back to Shadow as seen in Unleashed
 
The real cal howard said:
3 trillion c vs 10 c.
Literally nothing Shadow can do in the meantime.

Also Super Shadow needs the power of love to become immeasurable (was there in the upgrade. Solaris scaling required the whole Elise stuff). Far more likely to be in the millions c, as he can't just lolpeak on command.
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Cal. You're not knowledgeable on Sonic. Please stop.
 
Since the whole speed vs strengh debate is pointless due to Mewtwo gaining that feat after the battle came out I am only going to respond to this part

> Sonic was probably already conscious, tbh, and just dazed. After all, he was responding to the cheers of his friends. Besides, if he didn't regain consciousness, it'd just turn him into a KO'd Super Sonic

Completely false and wrong, Sonic was completely unconcious before the emeralds circled him and he turned super, he didn't respond to any cheers, the emeralds and Eggman did. My entire point the emeralds themselfs can turn a person super on their own even if knocked out or beaten by stronger foes, and that fact would give Shadow the W, no matter what moves Mewtwo uses, even though this is irrelevant since Mewtwo wasn't MFTL back then
 
They lowballed Shadow hard. If he stops time, he's not just going to attack Mewtwo once, he's going to rampage him until he's dead. Also, Shadow resists mind manipulation so Mewtwo's mind manipulation won't work on him.
 
@Theuser789 Did not know it was created before the revisions that boosted Mewtwo was based on came out. It's still wrong then, thanks.
 
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