Death Battle Season Ten Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Bobsican]

Just remembered something else on the topic of "Chicken Little beats Goku" that I remembered because of this:

"In the original Kingdom Hearts, most of the summons are obtained by finding special gems called "Summon Gems" in various worlds. The gems can then be given to the Fairy Godmother, staying at Merlin's House in Traverse Town; she uses her magic to restore their spirit forms and release their powers, thus making the summon creatures available.

All of these summons are victims of the Heartless' quest to destroy the worlds. As explained by the Fairy Godmother, the summon gems are the crystallized forms of strong, good-hearted denizens that did not fall victim to the darkness during the destruction of their worlds, and so are able to be called into battle for a limited time."
That said, that's from KH1, & Chicken Little is a KH2 Summon, so he's used via a Summon Gem, about which, Merlin says:
"Simply concentrate on it with all your heart, and you need only to say the word to summon an ally who will help you in time of need."

The Kingdom Hearts Wiki says:
"While most of the summon spells in the first game gave a temporary body to the soul contained within the gem, the charms on the other hand actually teleports the summonable characters directly from their world."

However, it does not give any source for this claim, & I couldn't find any explanations of summon mechanics in Sora's profile.

Maybe I should ask a KH Expert?

Anyway, the point is although Chicken Little is via Summon Charm rather than Summon Gem, there's little to no proof that I know of that his world or acquaintances still remain.

For all we know, this is like KH1:
His Spirit is restored & he's given a body via Summoning, but his home & everyone Chicken Little ever knew or loved are DEAD.


So for all we know, the fate of Chicken Little (Kingdom Hearts)'s world could be:

A. "Asleep", where the world is in an irregular state of passage of time, the world "dreaming" by repeating past events with copies of inhabitants who may be absent.
(Or are still stuck in the sleeping world, not truly aware of the state & circumstances they're in.)
B. Taken into the Realm of Darkness, where it'll be torn apart, devoid of life, the passage of time & inhabitants, save for the malevolent Heartless who respawn there.

If anyone wants to fact check my KH lore knowledge feel free, I'm not 100% sure I'm up to date on it.

The worlds themselves were fine in KHII onwards beyond the minimal raise of Heartless ever since KHI, the only worlds not restored back to normal in KHI were covered in KH3D, in any case, summoning in KHII consumes Drive Orbs, which are also the same energy source used for Sora's Drive Forms, meaning that their power is correlatable, or in plain terms Chicken Little scales to the Lingering Will.

 

[Imaginym]

The worlds themselves were fine in KHII onwards beyond the minimal raise of Heartless ever since KHI, the only worlds not restored back to normal in KHI were covered in KH3D, in any case, summoning in KHII consumes Drive Orbs, which are also the same energy source used for Sora's Drive Forms, meaning that their power is correlatable, or in plain terms Chicken Little scales to the Lingering Will.

I genuinely appreciate the lore you've presented here.

Although some questions, both sincere:

1. Does the Drive Orb power source not contradict with the statements provided about Summon Charms being used for it? I feel like Story should hold more weight than a Game Mechanic if there is a contradiction.
2. Would this mean that Chicken Little's home are not destroyed? Those he cares for?

(Sorry for not contacting you directly, given you seem invested, & thank you very much for your indulgence in this line of thought with me.)

 

[Bobsican]

I genuinely appreciate the lore you've presented here.

Although some questions, both sincere:

1. Does the Drive Orb power source not contradict with the statements provided about Summon Charms being used for it? I feel like Story should hold more weight than a Game Mechanic if there is a contradiction.
2. Would this mean that Chicken Little's home are not destroyed? Those he cares for?

(Sorry for not contacting you directly, given you seem invested, & thank you very much for your indulgence in this line of thought with me.)

Not really, something can merely use multiple things to reach an end result, Drive Orbs are also brought up in the same cutscene that introduces Drive Forms either way.

Yes, no worlds are threatened at cosmic scales here strictly speaking, at that time the villains simply had other priorities.

 

[Imaginym]

Not really, something can merely use multiple things to reach an end result, Drive Orbs are also brought up in the same cutscene that introduces Drive Forms either way.

So if it's not really a contradiction of them, shouldn't Sora's profile mention the Summon Gems & Summon Charms & their statements & mechanics, if you'll forgive my asking about that?
(I can understand if you'd rather not pile onto your plate the burden of seeking out yet more scans, especially for something like that. No offense meant.)

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Gunn is going to do amazing with the new DCU movies, man as an spectacular track record with CBM, so I trust him.

 

[Bobsican]

So if it's not really a contradiction of them, shouldn't Sora's profile mention the Summon Gems & Summon Charms & their statements & mechanics, if you'll forgive my asking about that?
(I can understand if you'd rather not pile onto your plate the burden of seeking out yet more scans, especially for something like that. No offense meant.)

Surely, but at the same time there's some bigger priorities indexing-wise at the works (you'll see what I mean soon, hopefully).

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Gunn is going to do amazing with the new DCU movies, man as an spectacular track record with CBM, so I trust him.

IDK, apparently the Superman movie is making a bunch of dumb choices...

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Not really, something can merely use multiple things to reach an end result, Drive Orbs are also brought up in the same cutscene that introduces Drive Forms either way.

Yes, no worlds are threatened at cosmic scales here strictly speaking, at that time the villains simply had other priorities.

...to be honest, I think it would be a blessing for Chicken Little if his world was destroyed

 

[AnAverageUsername]

IDK, apparently the Superman movie is making a bunch of dumb choices...

It really isn't. The only people saying it are those Snyder fans and people that don't get the whimsy of Superman. Other than that, from what we've seen from set photos, Gun has captured what makes the Man of Steel so good.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Snyder fans

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Are Snyder fans bad?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Are Snyder fans bad?

The ones that are obsessed? Very. And there's a lot that are obsessed.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Are Snyder fans bad?

VERY bad...

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Are Snyder fans bad?

From my own personal experience, they treat Zack Snyder like he's some sort of Martin Scorsese or Quentin Tarantino level director and writer when his movies tend to mix between being good (Watchmen and 300), painfully mediocre (Rebel Moon and, quite bluntly, MOS and Justice League) or genuinely ass (BVS and that recent zombie movie he did a few years ago).

Now don't get it twisted: I think Snyder is a genuine nice guy in real life and I appreciate that he puts passion into his movies, but Zach's in desperate need of people in his movies who know when to say no to him.

 

[TMaakkonen]

What are the rumored choices so we can judge them?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

From my own personal experience, they treat Zack Snyder like he's some sort of Martin Scorsese or Quentin Tarantino level director and writer when his movies tend to mix between being good (Watchmen and 300), painfully mediocre (Rebel Moon and, quite bluntly, MOS and Justice League) or genuinely ass (BVS and that recent zombie movie he did a few years ago).

Wasnt BvS bad cuz he didnt have anything to develop Batman and WB rushed to make their own cinematic universe?

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

From my own personal experience, they treat Zack Snyder like he's some sort of Martin Scorsese or Quentin Tarantino level director and writer when his movies tend to mix between being good (Watchmen and 300), painfully mediocre (Rebel Moon and, quite bluntly, MOS and Justice League) or genuinely ass (BVS and that recent zombie movie he did a few years ago).

Don't forget Sucker Punch, which was also a piece of shit.

 

[Tipper17]

It really isn't. The only people saying it are those Snyder fans and people that don't get the whimsy of Superman. Other than that, from what we've seen from set photos, Gun has captured what makes the Man of Steel so good.

eh lets see how the trailer looks when it comes out first

 

[AnAverageUsername]

eh lets see how the trailer looks when it comes out first

I have high hopes for it based on Gunn's past films. They've all looked great, like the GotG trilogy and TSS.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Zack's casting choices are questionable to.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

W

Are Snyder fans bad?

They simp over his movies like there not the biggest pieces of dog shit that exist. His best movie is a straight up adaptation of watchmen and even then it’s OK at best. All of his works are trash.

 

[Tipper17]

All of his works are trash.

i wouldn't say all of them he ad some good gems like dawn of the dead 04 remake and such

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Imaginym]

TBH, it should be using Homelander using Heat Vision there, but....
Sometimes I think he's just such a scrub that I wonder just WHAT, if anything Homelander was taught there in his formative years at Vought.

They engineered him to be America's greatest hero, but didn't teach him fundamentals for combat? Or did his egomaniac self just not let such things sink in?

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Looks like Sam in Cap4 got some buffs.

 

[Jiangshi1]

TBH, it should be using Homelander using Heat Vision there, but....
Sometimes I think he's just such a scrub that I wonder just WHAT, if anything Homelander was taught there in his formative years at Vought.

They engineered him to be America's greatest hero, but didn't teach him fundamentals for combat? Or did his egomaniac self just not let such things sink in?

I think its the case of him just being so stupid strong that he didn't bother trying to learn even the basics of CQC

 

[Imaginym]

I think its the case of him just being so stupid strong that he didn't bother trying to learn even the basics of CQC

Then clearly, the emphasis there in "stupid strong" is on "stupid".

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

What are the rumored choices so we can judge them?

I'm not sure the full details myself, but here's what I got off of Twitter: you know how The Boys takes the idea of friendly superheroes and makes them corporate and has the public essentially worship them? Apparently Gunn's doing a sort of commentary on that: it has a bunch of heroes who work directly for a megacorporation, but details how people prefer the usual friendly superhero stuff. Now that's not the main issue with the film (at least from what I saw): the issue seemed to be more about the corporate heroes and their boss, as both cases are apparently out-of-character from their comic counterparts.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I'm not sure the full details myself, but here's what I got off of Twitter: you know how The Boys takes the idea of friendly superheroes and makes them corporate and has the public essentially worship them? Apparently Gunn's doing a sort of commentary on that: it has a bunch of heroes who work directly for a megacorporation, but details how people prefer the usual friendly superhero stuff. Now that's not the main issue with the film (at least from what I saw): the issue seemed to be more about the corporate heroes and their boss, as both cases are apparently out-of-character from their comic counterparts.

Comic fans when character growth:

 

[SomaKing13]

I'm not sure the full details myself, but here's what I got off of Twitter: you know how The Boys takes the idea of friendly superheroes and makes them corporate and has the public essentially worship them? Apparently Gunn's doing a sort of commentary on that: it has a bunch of heroes who work directly for a megacorporation, but details how people prefer the usual friendly superhero stuff. Now that's not the main issue with the film (at least from what I saw): the issue seemed to be more about the corporate heroes and their boss, as both cases are apparently out-of-character from their comic counterparts.

that genuinely makes me want to see it even harder honestly.

I just hope we eventually get the Super Dickery cinematic universe

 

[BlackDarkness679]

They engineered him to be America's greatest hero, but didn't teach him fundamentals for combat? Or did his egomaniac self just not let such things sink in?

Tbf, why need combat training when none is physically matching you and you can laser them to death, its like Death Battle put it, he is dominant in his universe, but outside it, there is always a bigger fish

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Tbf, why need combat training when none is physically matching you and you can laser them to death, its like Death Battle put it, he is dominant in his universe, but outside it, there is always a bigger fish

Except Tighten. I can believe Homelander beating Tighten.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Looks like Sam in Cap4 got some buffs.

How is Falcon's MCU counterpart stronger than his comic's?

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

How is Falcon's MCU counterpart stronger than his comic's?

TBF, Falcon didn't do much in the comics until he became Captain America.

 

[Imaginym]

Tbf, why need combat training when none is physically matching you and you can laser them to death, its like Death Battle put it, he is dominant in his universe, but outside it, there is always a bigger fish

While I agree in theory, I think it shows a need for it in practice in even his own universe.

Temp V Butcher, perhaps Soldier Boy, Queen Maeve... it might even help against Vicky Vale.
All of them could be more surmountable if he had some actual skill, be that in close combat, or more advanced uses of his powers.


Like, for example, Homelander has a sonic scream AND super-hearing! In theory, he could pull off some echo-location stuff to further enhance his perception, or even aim the sonic attacks based on how sound bounces off of surfaces.

It's unclear whether his heat vision beams are more percussive/puncturing/piercing or just heat. If they're heat, combine that with the force of moving air from a sonic attack, & he could in theory do remote welding or such.

Heck, now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder if he would've been able to lift, or at least hold back/slow down that plane & carry it to safety if he beamed the wings off. They provide aerodynamic structure, so maybe not a good idea, but if it's already on a crash course & the way to save it is a hero holding it back, the reduced mass might matter.

I'm just speculating, but y'all get what I mean, right?

 

[Sparkive]

as both cases are apparently out-of-character from their comic counterparts.

Oh no, the movie version is different from the comic!...
AND? They are their own versions of the characters, with a totally different path from the comics, just look at Thanos, Ironman, Ego, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. from the MCU, They are totally different from their comic book versions and worked quite well ((before Marvel changed several of those from the comics to resemble the MCU)

 

[SlendVeny]

TBH, it should be using Homelander using Heat Vision there, but....
Sometimes I think he's just such a scrub that I wonder just WHAT, if anything Homelander was taught there in his formative years at Vought.

They engineered him to be America's greatest hero, but didn't teach him fundamentals for combat? Or did his egomaniac self just not let such things sink in?

They mostly tested weapons on him. He's got crazy PTSD. But they also set him up in fights against enemies, he probably just won instantly every time.

 

[Imaginym]

They mostly tested weapons on him. He's got crazy PTSD. But they also set him up in fights against enemies, he probably just won instantly every time.

Shame he probably killed anyone meant to teach him.

While I agree in theory, I think it shows a need for it in practice in even his own universe.

Temp V Butcher, perhaps Soldier Boy, Queen Maeve... it might even help against Vicky Vale.
All of them could be more surmountable if he had some actual skill, be that in close combat, or more advanced uses of his powers.


Like, for example, Homelander has a sonic scream AND super-hearing! In theory, he could pull off some echo-location stuff to further enhance his perception, or even aim the sonic attacks based on how sound bounces off of surfaces.

It's unclear whether his heat vision beams are more percussive/puncturing/piercing or just heat. If they're heat, combine that with the force of moving air from a sonic attack, & he could in theory do remote welding or such.

Heck, now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder if he would've been able to lift, or at least hold back/slow down that plane & carry it to safety if he beamed the wings off. They provide aerodynamic structure, so maybe not a good idea, but if it's already on a crash course & the way to save it is a hero holding it back, the reduced mass might matter.

I'm just speculating, but y'all get what I mean, right?

With what I said here, I feel like there's a comparison to draw between Homelander & Frieza.

Frieza was naturally strong, & one of the greatest threats in his setting, albeit, with superiors both before & after his initial focus.

But when Frieza put in some effort for the first time in his life & trained for four months, he became one of the most powerful beings, & surpassed many who were previously beyond him.
I know Homelander ain't in that kind of story, but he could do with some discipline, & putting in some actually proper effort for once in his life.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

As long as I live, I will forever hold a grudge against Zack Snyder for what he do to watchmen

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]