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Death Battle Season Ten Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
It’s funny to see discussion on MCU Hulk being too weak when Stan Lee has gone on record saying he thinks the MCU Hulk went astray because they made him TOO strong and it was “never his vision/intention” for the character LOL

Very funny difference in how things can end up.
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Don't recall stan ever saying anything about MCU hulk being too powerful
 
Excellence616 said:
Hulk is my number one favorite character of all time. There no media where The Hulk isn't my favorite character but The MCU almost made me hate him. If MCU can't give us a good hulk story, give us a powerful Hulk rather than a weak excuse for a Hulk.

Hulk, the first Omega level threat in marvel comics and also the guy that people or writers would compare their characters power level to.

I honestly think MCU just hate the guy for nothing. I heard that they made him weak because he is too powerful in the comics. Okay, just because he is so much overpowered in the comics you have to make him very weak in the MCU. Wanda and Thor who are powerful in the comics are also powerful in the MCU. Carol Danvers who is far weaker than Hulk in most media is stronger than Hulk in MCU. There is no excuse MCU could give that would justify Hulk's weak power level.

Even Marvel animations have better portrayer of Banner/Hulk than MCU.

If MCU can't make him powerful, give him a good story.
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I absolutely agree with you on this tale: if you can't make a good story for the Hulk, which is absolutely horse shit because the Hulk is an inherently tragic character that you can do with in terms of story telling or conveying a message to him, then why not just make him a very strong and dangerous power house? It makes no sense to make the guy who's usually treated as the trump card of the Avengers as being this weak as **** jobber that either exists to get his ass or be the butt of completely crappy jokes or shitty characterizations (I'm looking at YOU, Professor Hulk. You're a disgrace to the character.)

This is why I am genuinely hoping that Red Hulk in Captain America: New World is done justice at the least and is given a genuinely formidable presence in the movie. Because my hope is that Red Hulk is received well, and Marvel doesn't give make a surrogate MCU Hulk stand in, then they'd be willing to make Hulk more in line with the 2008 version...which is still the best live action version of the character, to be honest.
 
I don't mind Hulk being more balanced but recently he has become so weak that he has become lame. Like, he is constantly used to show that a villain is stronger. Which is fine, but at least give him more cool moments and moments to shine.

Hulk has been jobbing ever since Infinity war, pretty sure.

Also, has he had a story arc in the MCU as good as the 2003 movie or as EMH? Like, in the 2003 I'm pretty sure he was abused by his dad, and his dad became a being he couldn't beat with physical strength, his dad wanted to absorb his powers, but that meant absorbing all the bad memories and pain Hulk constantly suffered. Absorbing man couldn't take that and died.


In EMH Hulk is a good person, a hero that is feared by others due to his powers. He has issues trusting others and people make him think he is evil or dangerous when he just wants to do good. Like a Superman if he was constantly treated like a monster.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind Hulk being a weak jobber if he at least had good character arcs in the MCU. It's a shame the MCU is his most popular version when other Hulk stories did Hulk way better.
 
Deidalius said:
I don't mind Hulk being more balanced but recently he has become so weak that he has become lame. Like, he is constantly used to show that a villain is stronger. Which is fine, but at least give him more cool moments and moments to shine.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind Hulk being a weak jobber if he at least had good character arcs in the MCU. It's a shame the MCU is his most popular version when other Hulk stories did Hulk way better.
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If we're talking strictly about the MCU, Hulk from the Avengers 2012 is the peak of the character's coolness and ability to be a badass. And the fact that THIS was his peak is just insane to me
 
Hulk has probably the biggest fall off in reputation.
in the 2000s and early 10s folks knew and respected the hulk as the monster heavyweight he, Spiderman and Wolverine were the Trinity of Marvel in mere popularity.

The MCU felt like the perfect rise and fall
Avengers film was the Hulk at his peak
Ultron film- still had him as a powerful juggernaut weird wannabe romance with black widow aside
Ragnarok- was fine but definitely felt like he could've done more
IW-was the downfall him getting used to hype up thanos and never getting his lick back did damaged to his rep
Professor Hulk in theory isn't bad but execution wise leaves alot to be desired especially when the comics he was a gigachad as professor Hulk
 
Look at the aura bruh
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The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
They WHAT!? Please tell me more, because that sounds absolutely ******* stupid even by comic standards.
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Banner was tired after Immortal and wanted to be astronaut, so he locked Savage Hulk deep in his brain and fueled his body by making Savage angry by forcing him to fight mental battles against other Marvel characters.
 
Tipper17 said:
Donny Cates moment
It was even dumber when immortal hulk had both hulk and banner on a friendly level again
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This was Donny Cates? I'm honestly kind of surprised because I really liked his run of Venom, Cosmic Ghost Rider, and the Herald of Thunder Thor storyline that he did and I thought those were pretty well written. Especially his Venom run, I love what he did with the character.

But I guess not every writer can write every character well, it still surprises me
 
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
It’s funny to see discussion on MCU Hulk being too weak when Stan Lee has gone on record saying he thinks the MCU Hulk went astray because they made him TOO strong and it was “never his vision/intention” for the character LOL

Very funny difference in how things can end up.
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I mean, even if that's the case, swinging the pendulum all the way to the other end doesn't really solve the original problem as much as create new ones.
 
TMaakkonen said:
How convenient that we have literal cutscene of Primordials in GoW creating stars by punching :^) if it wasnt for this GoW would be mostly frauds tbh
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I’m gonna be real, if you play any of the GoW games and think that the profiles here are anywhere close to accurate then it’s over for you. GoW on this site is probably the biggest example of relying entirely on a Frankenstein’s monster of WoGs from different people that were gotten via leading questions because everyone knows that none of the people in those WoGs would believe that the characters are as fast or strong as VSBW says they are if you asked them outright.
 
AcidSilver said:
I’m gonna be real, if you play any of the GoW games and think that the profiles here are anywhere close to accurate then it’s over for you. GoW on this site is probably the biggest example of relying entirely on a Frankenstein’s monster of WoGs from different people that were gotten via leading questions because everyone knows that none of the people in those WoGs would believe that the characters are as fast or strong as VSBW says they are if you asked them outright.
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Out of curiosity (haven't played GoW yet), how strong would Kratos be without word of god (in-game and side material lore counts) or at least you'd think he'd be?

EDIT: To be honest, I don't think any authors really keep track of how strong their characters are and would be baffled of how strong powerscaling in general makes them out to be. Except for xianxia novel and isekai lightnovel authors who pretty much gun for making their characters as overpowered as possible and some use some eerily battleboardy stuff.
 
Tipper17 said:
The MCU felt like the perfect rise and fall
Avengers film was the Hulk at his peak
Ultron film- still had him as a powerful juggernaut weird wannabe romance with black widow aside
Ragnarok- was fine but definitely felt like he could've done more
IW-was the downfall him getting used to hype up thanos and never getting his lick back did damaged to his rep
Professor Hulk in theory isn't bad but execution wise leaves alot to be desired especially when the comics he was a gigachad as professor Hulk
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Universal has the film rights to Hulk and lends himself to the MCU so solo movies are a no-no

I like what was attempted with Hulk in Age of Ultron-Ragnarok-Infinity War, but I hate how they ended his character arc in Endgame
The entire Ragnarok arc about Hulk is that he’s had 3 years to live, because Hulk is not only a beast, he’s his own entity trapped inside Banner and after 3 years of not being Banner again, he’s started to take on a personality, he’s immature to the max, and it makes sense, he has the maturity of a 3 year old
If I recall correctly the Infinity War writers said that Hulk refuses to get out because he was fed up with just being freed to do Avenger work and then being trapped again, which also makes sense because he finally got a taste of freedom
Now what does the MCU do with all of the above in Endgame? He fuses them, probably so that they both can achieve their own freedom and become one... but it's clearly Banner's brain in a Hulk body, meaning he basically killed him
I haven't seen She-Hulk yet, but I doubt there's anything left of the Hulk inside Doctor Hulk other than memories at most
 
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