Death Battle Season Ten Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Could've had a super form fight but nope rather some boring way to handle it

Could've even been the perfect explanation to reintroduce the Hyper Form since the Master Emerald was right there.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Could've even been the perfect explanation to reintroduce the Hyper Form since the Master Emerald was right there.

Pretty sure that SEGA said they don´t pretended to use the Hyper forms anymore

 

[Tipper17]

The logic against using the hyper form back in canon always baffles me

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

The logic against using the hyper form back in canon always baffles me

That's because it doesn't exist.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Yooooo

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Bros we definitely need a FOTS run back.
I don’t really care who but it’s definitely gonna be Kenshiro or Raoh.

 

[Tipper17]

Posted that awhile back under the owner name

Bros we definitely need a FOTS run back.
I don’t really care who but it’s definitely gonna be Kenshiro or Raoh.

Raoh definitely makes sense via Akuma
Kenshiro sadly doesn't have any mu that's makes it easy to run him back on the show

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Raoh definitely makes sense via Akuma
Kenshiro sadly doesn't have any mu that's makes it easy to run him back on the show

Who's Akuma more likely to runback against? Raoh or Yujiro?

 

[ZeedKZ]

Just finished Asura's Wrath, probably the best PS3 game I've played so far. The way of how they mixed cinematics and gameplay (especially with the QTE moments) is absolutely crazy and phenomenal. Def rooting for Asura in the episode.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Indeed, that's what the power of friendship is in Mashle. When Mash is down, they cheer him up, and help him with things he struggles with, like his studying. Really, that's the cool thing about Mashle. It uses the power of friendship in a sweet way, where one cannot complete everything themselves without support from others that care for them.

Yeah, it doesn't have that isekai stuff. I don't think there's ever been an isekai in WSJ actually.

Well it doesn't really focus on the class part of things. Really, the setting takes place on school grounds for most of the series, where we see the fights take place.

The man who's immortal. And while it may seem creepy, it's a very important job, dont want some guy pulling an Orochimaru, haha.

elements of both, but he's more so in the wildcard category. The series' humor comes from the absurdity of his feats and how he overcomes magic that would seemingly be hard to beat with simple logic or pure strength. That's not to say he never faces any challenge in the series, no, he faces those that are weaker than him, around his level, or are straight up more powerful.

Seems to have everything down. Sounds pretty refreshing actually, lol.

Speaking of, found out that Shonen Jump itself noted their flagship titles are all ending, so they will be hosting a contest for new talents to seek their new hit. They even got as judges the authors of Black Clover, MHA, JJK and Bleach.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

So something on my mind recently.
For Jojo fans: you think S&W Go Beyond could bypass GER?

 

[SlendVeny]

So something on my mind recently.
For Jojo fans: you think S&W Go Beyond could bypass GER?

No. It targets an attacker's actions and the outcome of them. Essentially, it would negate the outcome of Josuke's attack, rather than the projectile's movement.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

No. It targets an attacker's actions and the outcome of them. Essentially, it would negate the outcome of Josuke's attack, rather than the projectile's movement.

That’s the thing though, WoU kinda did a similar thing and it was able to bypass the ability

 

[SlendVeny]

That’s the thing though, WoU kinda did a similar thing and it was able to bypass the ability

WoU couldn't destroy the bubble because it didn't exist, I'm pretty sure it could still detect it.

 

[SlendVeny]

WoU couldn't destroy the bubble because it didn't exist, I'm pretty sure it could still detect it

Although, the fact that it's unaffected by laws does mean the law of causality would not apply.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Yeah so depending on how you see it, it may not effect Go Beyond bubbles. Even then you can interpret WoU’s ability as causality based too

 

[AnAverageUsername]

WoU couldn't destroy the bubble because it didn't exist, I'm pretty sure it could still detect it.

Yeah, something something "nonexistent" something something "exists beyond the world" or something like that, I should reread JoJolion, it's my favorite part

 

[TMaakkonen]

Sega is way too functionality thinking with Hyper Forms.

Their purpose was to give people who had purchased Sonic 3 & Sonic & Knuckles a special bonus. Thats it. Since literally no other game is combined like that, there is no need for Hyper Forms for them. Probably for the best, or we'd be at Super Sonic 5 at this rate lol

 

[AcidSilver]

Just finished Asura's Wrath, probably the best PS3 game I've played so far. The way of how they mixed cinematics and gameplay (especially with the QTE moments) is absolutely crazy and phenomenal. Def rooting for Asura in the episode.

Frankly, Asura’s Wrath proves all that “characters can’t show their true strength outside of lore” claim to be completely bullshit. I’m looking at you Kratos. You can totally showcase how strong you want your characters to be outside of vague lore entries.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Yes you can lol Bayonetta literally disproves this hell sonic and many others as well has shown you can stick to the narrative while also showing how strong the characters are
Ya don't need to blow up shit 24/7 to be sold as a cosmic heavyweight but you need to show something on the lines of cosmic fuckery to show you can **** with others with comparable feats

Not all games do this format and works, sonic and bayonetta narrative also is far different from gow in order to pull it, dont act like all all games can pull dragon ball style spectacle and makes sense in it

 

[TMaakkonen]

How convenient that we have literal cutscene of Primordials in GoW creating stars by punching :^) if it wasnt for this GoW would be mostly frauds tbh

 

[Deidalius]

Continent level stars tbh

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Then say that right off the bat

Its obvious from the get go or you didnt see me around so much to tell?

Must be a preference then. With how story focused latest Death Battles have been, I find the latter of the two more compelling. Especially since both home series are very story heavy. (Asura's Wrath should have been an anime, it would have boomed more in popularity )

Only one that worked on a story was omniman vs homelander and thats cuz otherwise it wasnt fair enough to write much on a battle to begin with

should that not reinforce the connections even more? And what's so bad about casuals liking it, it just shows they have good taste.

you act like all that casuals like its now good, was akuma vs shao kahn good despite being an old legacy fight?

Also is Matt the dude from that "What Happened" series?

Yes

Kratos main weapons are close up, which Asura can fight against with his fists, and the ranged weapons can be fought with his blasts. It doesn't have to be all too complicated.

Dante had weapons to combat the far more variety of his weapons, you think they will just go for norse games arsenal? They will have to use everything kratos has

Or, you know, they don't have to be one shot? They can still have these mighty or close fights with impressive feats. And you can definitely do both and have it not affect the narrative.

dragon ball style stuff isnt that fitting for gow world

yes, cinematic anime game, where these feats happen in cutscenes. You can have cutscenes to show this stuff, it's that simple.

And no games do these anywhere as far as games go, thats about the only interactions and its button mashing and qte most of the game

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Frankly, Asura’s Wrath proves all that “characters can’t show their true strength outside of lore” claim to be completely bullshit. I’m looking at you Kratos. You can totally showcase how strong you want your characters to be outside of vague lore entries.

You realize not all games can do space fights or interplanetary battles right? So no Asura doesnt prove anything and even then the gameplay it goes with clearly isnt done by others since then and for a reason, from a business standpoint it didnt do well for the money put into it

 

[TMaakkonen]

You could argue that if game doesnt have planet destruction in fights, its not planet level :V

It really depends do you allow that kind of scaling even if they never show it as actual destructive feats. Most people in VS allow it until they dont feel like allowing it V:

 

[BlackDarkness679]

How many franchises can blow the planet in canon and continue from there as if not a big deal, not all can

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Sega is way too functionality thinking with Hyper Forms.

Their purpose was to give people who had purchased Sonic 3 & Sonic & Knuckles a special bonus. Thats it. Since literally no other game is combined like that, there is no need for Hyper Forms for them. Probably for the best, or we'd be at Super Sonic 5 at this rate lol

Well the Hyper modes could return as post game achievements. Say you have a set of stages after the game that you need to complete under tight conditions, boom, you unlock the hyper mode on replays.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Its obvious from the get go or you didnt see me around so much to tell?

Must be that then, I don't see your name around much with you talking about this

Only one that worked on a story was omniman vs homelander and thats cuz otherwise it wasnt fair enough to write much on a battle to begin with

Not just that match. There was Jonathan vs Tanjiro, Hulk vs Broly, The Doctor vs Rick, Chosen Undead vs Dragonborne, etc

Really, even the Kratos vs Asura fight appears to be set up as a story focused fight, with Kratos being taunted by the voices and Asura pulling up to his house

you act like all that casuals like its now good, was akuma vs shao kahn good despite being an old legacy fight?

No, and to say that I'm acting like since a majority of casuals love the fight it makes it good, that would be a lie. What I said was that the casuals have good taste in this match because it's a banger.

Yes

Dante had weapons to combat the far more variety of his weapons, you think they will just go for norse games arsenal? They will have to use everything kratos has

Well not everything of course, I do believe they'll mainly use the extra Norse arsenal because they're using Kratos' Norse appearance. But I would love it if they do use a good portion of his extra Greek arsenal. Still, Asura's fists would be fun to see clash against the weapons, and it would be fun to see how the extra arms will be interacted with.

dragon ball style stuff isnt that fitting for gow world

you don't need planet busting stuff to show great power, just something impressive, anything really.

And no games do these anywhere as far as games go, thats about the only interactions and its button mashing and qte most of the game

You were given a list of games that do just below my post you're replying to.

How many franchises can blow the planet in canon and continue from there as if not a big deal, not all can

Again, you don't need to show planet busting shit, you need to show something, anything, impressive that warrants at least a bit of easier understanding on cosmic tiering.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

You realize not all games can do space fights or interplanetary battles right? So no Asura doesnt prove anything and even then the gameplay it goes with clearly isnt done by others since then and for a reason, from a business standpoint it didnt do well for the money put into it

see that's the thing, you're talking about the gameplay and not the visuals that show those feats for why it didn't sell well

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Not just that match. There was Jonathan vs Tanjiro, Hulk vs Broly, The Doctor vs Rick, Chosen Undead vs Dragonborne, etc

Most of these werent that big of gap in power and even if they were, had other stuff to compensate with

Really, even the Kratos vs Asura fight appears to be set up as a story focused fight, with Kratos being taunted by the voices and Asura pulling up to his house

Thats more of the fact as an independent series they got more freedom, if it was still under RT it wont start this way

No, and to say that I'm acting like since a majority of casuals love the fight it makes it good, that would be a lie. What I said was that the casuals have good taste in this match because it's a banger.

i dont like it as much and whether you think so or not, Dante vs Kratos was better and offered more as variety

Well not everything of course, I do believe they'll mainly use the extra Norse arsenal because they're using Kratos' Norse appearance. But I would love it if they do use a good portion of his extra Greek arsenal.

Norse isnt the peak of his power and even Kratos said greek gods were far tougher

Still, Asura's fists would be fun to see clash against the weapons, and it would be fun to see how the extra arms will be interacted with.

You can do so much with a character mainly punching against one who uses weapons too

You were given a list of games that do just below my post you're replying to.

And i went over them, so they are irrelevant

Again, you don't need to show planet busting shit, you need to show something, anything, impressive that warrants at least a bit of easier understanding on cosmic tiering.

Outside the opening with kronos which is in the past, there is not much you can do universal in scope visually to fit gow during the play, most franchises tell you something in words for a reason

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Most of these werent that big of gap in power and even if they were, had other stuff to compensate with

Which, coming full circle a bit, is an assumption based on the research team taking Kratos' highest end stuff and rolling with it without any presumptions. The team could put them both at universal, what then, they'd be quite close. What if they have Asura with the advantage. All of these are what ifs, but you're already certain that this multiversal or whatever Kratos is a lock.

Thats more of the fact as an independent series they got more freedom, if it was still under RT it wont start this way

And? Focus on the now, not the past then.

i dont like it as much and whether you think so or not, Dante vs Kratos was better and offered more as variety

Okay so this is a subjective thing

Norse isnt the peak of his power and even Kratos said greek gods were far tougher

And yet GokuMan3 used only Goku's iconic stuff despite taking feats from the Heroes series, his strongest.

You can do so much with a character mainly punching against one who uses weapons too

You can do a lot really, you just have to think more

And i went over them, so they are irrelevant

Mobile is messy, for some reason it skipped over that

Even then, I don't see why they are irrelevant. Their stories aren't centered around high octane destruction and action, yet they were still able to include this stuff as apart of it. You can have both cakes and eat em, you don't have to have only one.

Outside the opening with kronos which is in the past, there is not much you can do universal in scope visually to fit gow during the play, most franchises tell you something in words for a reason

Again, you don't have to get that big, you can get close enough to act as solid support. But besides that one scene at the beginning of that one game, there really isn't much else for Kratos himself now is there.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Norse isn't the peak of his power and even Kratos said the greek gods were far tougher

He only said "I've killed greater gods" in regards to Heimdall specifically, he never said the greek gods in general were superior to the norse, Kratos even goes on to call Thors blows as heavy as any he'd ever felt after their first fight.

Don't get me wrong Ragnarok isn't Kratos at his strongest (Power of Hope is still him at his peak) but he ain't really any weaker than he was in GOW3 (Although I think by his own admission he's not quite as agile)

 

[Loh67867]

Bros we definitely need a FOTS run back.
I don’t really care who but it’s definitely gonna be Kenshiro or Raoh.

Unfortunately DB already wasted Kenshiro's best MU
We will probably still get Akuma vs Raoh

 

[Tipper17]

Unfortunately DB already wasted Kenshiro's best MU
We will probably still get Akuma vs Raoh

i don't mind giving Akuma a proper 3D fight than whatever that rushed mess was with Shao Khan

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

i don't mind giving Akuma a proper 3D fight than whatever that rushed mess was with Shao Khan

That episode could've been so good but then we got Mid.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Do any of y'all agree with this? Because I agree with it, Hulk has been treated pretty badly in the MCU for the last couple years for no good reason other than to be a jobber to new villains

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

I sure can't wait to see Kratos get launched to the sun and still be fighting.

 

[PonePoster]

Do any of y'all agree with this? Because I agree with it, Hulk has been treated pretty badly in the MCU for the last couple years for no good reason other than to be a jobber to new villains

MCU is too afraid to utilize Hulk at his best. His best stories are too non family-friendly and anti-wholesome-chungus and that's a fact.............

 

[Excellence616]

Do any of y'all agree with this? Because I agree with it, Hulk has been treated pretty badly in the MCU for the last couple years for no good reason other than to be a jobber to new villains

Hulk is my number one favorite character of all time. There no media where The Hulk isn't my favorite character but The MCU almost made me hate him. If MCU can't give us a good hulk story, give us a powerful Hulk rather than a weak excuse for a Hulk.

Hulk, the first Omega level threat in marvel comics and also the guy that people or writers would compare their characters power level to.

I honestly think MCU just hate the guy for nothing. I heard that they made him weak because he is too powerful in the comics. Okay, just because he is so much overpowered in the comics you have to make him very weak in the MCU. Wanda and Thor who are powerful in the comics are also powerful in the MCU. Carol Danvers who is far weaker than Hulk in most media is stronger than Hulk in MCU. There is no excuse MCU could give that would justify Hulk's weak power level.

Even Marvel animations have better portrayer of Banner/Hulk than MCU.

If MCU can't make him powerful, give him a good story.