Death Battle Season Ten Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[BlackDarkness679]

Both Asura and Kratos had similar tragedies that befell them, leading to similarities and contrasts centered around how they dealt with them. Not only that, but they're both some of the poster-children for rage in video games (Asura literally lives off of it lmao). The interactions between eachother can focus on their life stories, instead of what you're suggesting as goofy guy meets serious dude. Not to mention that, again, the fight has been hyped up for more time, meaning it has more pay off to making it. Kratos vs Asura just works much more from a story perspective.

Dante had more to offer against Kratos then Asura for banter and dialogue, dont lecture me on backstories to them and all

Outdated matches have been hyped too over new ones cuz of the time they were thought, doesnt mean they any better, casuals were hyping it mostly

Also both had new games and material then last time they got in, along a cast of them, over Asura with no new thing for over 10 years

Asura's many, many forms could honestly be counted as his arsenal, but yeah Dante does have more weapons to work with. Still doesn't change much.

The forms arent making up for it, Asura will mostly punch overall or shoot projectiles the forms arent much different

Yeah, cause visuals are a hell of a lot more reliable, than statements that barely make any sense when you look at the games themselves, which feature almost none of that.

With this mindset i can already tell you are no better then the casuals who are annoying to hear with their takes

"Statements that barely make any sense when you look at the games", sorry that characters dont destroy universes each time they punch each other or blitz every regular joe enemy which makes the game boringly repetitive

Stop with this old debacle of gameplay not showcasing your visuals therefore not true and bring something better to the table

 

[TMaakkonen]

Hmm granted we do shit on Mario bit too much here. Might as well be even more fair.

Teeeechnically since Mario never got to T1 here, but Game Sonic got 6D, its technically true that Sonic has been more wanked in VSW than Mario.

Mario fans probably avoids this thread cause we shit on them a lot :V

 

[Dust_Collector]

Yeah was actually about to mention it's kinda funny that Mario got dunked on on this thread for being low 2-C in base at one point when Sonic got both that as well as infinite speed in base up to a point where his super form at one point was stomping true form Darksied (Granted that was also a mix of the wiki being whack with shit like TF Darkseid being 2-C). Doesn't matter much since eother being tier 2 in base is cringe Also Zelda was Low 2-C at one point based on an island level feat why doesn't that get brought up more often

 

[koopa3144]

Ngl even as someone who loves Mario (and Sonic), I do think Sonic beats him with Super Sonic if you do both fair.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Ngl even as someone who loves Mario (and Sonic), I do think Sonic beats him with Super Sonic if you do both fair.

I mean that's a pretty good view on it, Super Sonic > Mario > Base Sonic is a fair take to have

 

[TMaakkonen]

I have no idea wtf are Marvel & DC characters supposed to scale normally. Top tier gods should deserve T1 stuff but like then everyone just scales to them? Meh

 

[Tipper17]

If we wanna be fair, it is not unreasonable to think base Mario could beat base Sonic.

But there is no way Mario beats Super Sonic without creating a fanfiction OC that doesnt actually exist.

Something something rety clocks
Something something bottomless gloves

 

[TMaakkonen]

Something something rety clocks
Something something bottomless gloves

Bowser is gonna beat Eggman with those clocks in few months :^)

...Yeah, Im kinda feeling that.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I have no idea wtf are Marvel & DC characters supposed to scale normally. Top tier gods should deserve T1 stuff but like then everyone just scales to them? Meh

Low multi is fair aint it? tier 1 should be reserved for characters like simon in scope of power

Also there is a dude in discord which legit thinks all marvel and dc scale to tier 1, even those like spidey or batman, in base

 

[TMaakkonen]

Low multi is fair aint it? tier 1 should be reserved for characters like simon in scope of power

If we genuinely use consistency, punish inconsistency, use power intended in stories and use word of god, then even low multi might not be fair. Despite the fact that they do seem to have valid feats.

 

[Gyra1524]

Bowser is gonna beat Eggman with those clocks in few months :^)

...Yeah, Im kinda feeling that.

Wouldn't the Time Stones, and Time Eater counter those?

 

[TMaakkonen]

Wouldn't the Time Stones, and Time Eater counter those?

Kinda, but Im just expecting them to be stats equal & hax equal, then them deciding that Eggman runs out of power faster.

Tho thinking about it, didnt Forces have PR have endless power supply when it was connected to Death Egg Robot?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Dante had more to offer against Kratos then Asura for banter and dialogue, dont lecture me on backstories to them and all

Not lecturing you on anything, just giving you the connections Asura and Kratos have. And, still, banter can't carry a match all to well in my opinion, if they can't connect well in the first place. Even then, there's still plenty of banter potential between Asura and Kratos, since the fight is using modern Kratos. The former is more brash and loud when he comes to talking, the latter is now much more calm compared to his youth.

Outdated matches have been hyped too over new ones cuz of the time they were thought, doesnt mean they any better, casuals were hyping it mostly

Fortunately KratoSura isn't one of those overhyped old generation matches. It still holds up phenomenally today.

Also both had new games and material then last time they got in, along a cast of them, over Asura with no new thing for over 10 years

And again, it still holds up. People still talk about the game today, thanks to it being available to purchase via backwards compatibility. I don't see how this is a point against it.

The forms arent making up for it, Asura will mostly punch overall or shoot projectiles the forms arent much different

We have had entertaining fights that involve fighters that mainly fight with their fists or up close. Might Guy vs All Might for one, Hulk vs Broly for another.

With this mindset i can already tell you are no better then the casuals who are annoying to hear with their takes

I'm simply one who understands the complaints about taking lore over shown feats, because in all honesty it is a real problem that should be taken notice of.

"Statements that barely make any sense when you look at the games", sorry that characters dont destroy universes each time they punch each other or blitz every regular joe enemy which makes the game boringly repetitive

Yes but they don't have to have trouble with the mundane, do they? It isn't even about destroying universes constantly over and over, Asura's Wrath was able to make stellar scenes with 2012 technology on a PS3 and Xbox 360 before it went cosmic. Scenes that have impact with its destruction. And it's one of its highlights.

Stop with this old debacle of gameplay not showcasing your visuals therefore not true and bring something better to the table

Again, I simply understand the complaints given by people. Because in the end, it gets absurd at vertain points.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

If we genuinely use consistency, punish inconsistency, use power intended in stories and use word of god, then even low multi might not be fair. Despite the fact that they do seem to have valid feats.

Most authors downplay their characters or outright say dont care of consistency

 

[Theuser789]

Kinda, but Im just expecting them to be stats equal & hax equal, then them deciding that Eggman runs out of power faster.

Tho thinking about it, didnt Forces have PR have endless power supply when it was connected to Death Egg Robot?

Yes.

 

[SlendVeny]

I still remember that one time when Nintendo copyright claimed an NSFW artist for drawing Bowser's wee wee and people joked that anything Nintendo copyrights is canon to the Mario lore.

I have a lot of canonical Pokemon anatomy to present in that case.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Tho since we are on BowserEggman phase now, I guess Ill semi rant about something, and sure, its because Eggman has been buffed really hard lately but uhh

Eggman's army is just better than Bowser's army.

Since they allow everything that means Metal gets Metal Overlord and thats just ggs. No one else in Bowser's army specifically matches that. Hell, since theres way too much stuff to think about here I might have missed it, but does Bowser's army even resist time stops? No funny "haha Boos slip into another dimension" shit here. Counting vehicles n stuff Eggman literally has laser that destroys multiple stars that Bowser's army doesnt even know about. Practically thats so done.

In theory Kamek, King Boo & Jr have more weird hax, but since Metal can copy supernatural powers, it seems to be possible he can copy those as well. And PR means Eggman's army can create hundreds of Metals no sweat. They can create hundreds of Shadows too so a lot of time stops too.

Historically Bowser's army being smarter was fair, Eggman didnt really have commanders who thought and Metal sort of was ballistic missile most of the time, Heroes was one time thing for a while. Sage completely uno-reverses this. Bowser's army doesnt really have any real genius tacticians. Sage could even warn before hand that Bowser's army has dangerous hax, so he could prepare faster than usual.

Loyalty is the one thing they have. Goombas would probably fight to the last breath while some Egg Pawns might get scared when near defeat. If only this would matter here but ehh.

Metal Virus works on half of army too, notably Jr & Kamek. King Boo might resist it since he is a ghost.

Maybe Im neglecting sth from Bowser's side, but practically Eggman's army is better in key areas.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Tho since we are on BowserEggman phase now, I guess Ill semi rant about something, and sure, its because Eggman has been buffed really hard lately but uhh

Eggman's army is just better than Bowser's army.

Since they allow everything that means Metal gets Metal Overlord and thats just ggs. No one else in Bowser's army specifically matches that. Hell, since theres way too much stuff to think about here I might have missed it, but does Bowser's army even resist time stops? No funny "haha Boos slip into another dimension" shit here. Counting vehicles n stuff Eggman literally has laser that destroys multiple stars that Bowser's army doesnt even know about. Practically thats so done.

In theory Kamek, King Boo & Jr have more weird hax, but since Metal can copy supernatural powers, it seems to be possible he can copy those as well. And PR means Eggman's army can create hundreds of Metals no sweat. They can create hundreds of Shadows too so a lot of time stops too.

Historically Bowser's army being smarter was fair, Eggman didnt really have commanders who thought and Metal sort of was ballistic missile most of the time, Heroes was one time thing for a while. Sage completely uno-reverses this. Bowser's army doesnt really have any real genius tacticians. Sage could even warn before hand that Bowser's army has dangerous hax, so he could prepare faster than usual.

Loyalty is the one thing they have. Goombas would probably fight to the last breath while some Egg Pawns might get scared when near defeat. If only this would matter here but ehh.

Metal Virus works on half of army too, notably Jr & Kamek. King Boo might resist it since he is a ghost.

Maybe Im neglecting sth from Bowser's side, but practically Eggman's army is better in key areas.

Can't wait for a repeat of Wiley vs Eggman

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Not lecturing you on anything, just giving you the connections Asura and Kratos have.

I dont need to hear them im well aware of both

And, still, banter can't carry a match all to well in my opinion, if they can't connect well in the first place. Even then, there's still plenty of banter potential between Asura and Kratos, since the fight is using modern Kratos. The former is more brash and loud when he comes to talking, the latter is now much more calm compared to his youth.

Its more interesting to have Dante fool around till he gets serious, while Kratos take it serious till is a moment he unleashes himself eventually, over Kratos being reminded Asura is like his younger self from before

Fortunately KratoSura isn't one of those overhyped old generation matches. It still holds up phenomenally today.

Only casuals which for the most part was due to asura being an anime god of war

And again, it still holds up. People still talk about the game today, thanks to it being available to purchase via backwards compatibility. I don't see how this is a point against it.

Only times i seen it talked are just Matt foing over what happened with the game back then for capcom and a channel who reacts to death battle top recently playing it, other then that not much besides vs community

We have had entertaining fights that involve fighters that mainly fight with their fists or up close. Might Guy vs All Might for one, Hulk vs Broly for another.

Both were up close punching or h2h fighters, Kratos has weapons, Asura not, Dante can fight in both and shown it

I'm simply one who understands the complaints about taking lore over shown feats, because in all honesty it is a real problem that should be taken notice of.

You cant do both without affecting the overall narrative or we gonna believe guns or fall damage disproves characters that have clear feats above that just cuz its threatening them?...plus even gow devs went over how gameplay isnt reflecting kratos power which should be obvious, you want have playing something a challenge too, not the character one shotting everything just to appeal on the visuals or lore

Yes but they don't have to have trouble with the mundane, do they? It isn't even about destroying universes constantly over and over, Asura's Wrath was able to make stellar scenes with 2012 technology on a PS3 and Xbox 360 before it went cosmic. Scenes that have impact with its destruction. And it's one of its highlights.

A game which as they put it, was a cinematic anime game, with gameplay being QTE or mashing overall, visually speaking without taking vs debating and guessing a level, it would be planet busting from them, higher levels comes from guides or calcs with something in mind when doing measurements

For all that spectacle it didnt sell well for capcom to do a sequel or put asura into anything outside his game, besides just one costume for Street Fighter 5 and thats about it

Again, I simply understand the complaints given by people. Because in the end, it gets absurd at vertain points.

Its absurd when tiktok or youtubers use fancy words and irl religion stuff to argue huge levels not true

 

[TMaakkonen]

Can't wait for a repeat of Wiley vs Eggman

Funny enough, yeah they should repeat a thing from there.

 

[koopa3144]

Can't wait for a repeat of Wiley vs Eggman

My goat Metal bout to steal another dub

 

[Theuser789]

Since they allow everything that means Metal gets Metal Overlord and thats just ggs

Metal Overlord is weaker than base Modern Metal and Sage

 

[TMaakkonen]

Metal Overlord is weaker than base Modern Metal and Sage

Yeah, but MODERN Metal Overlord is where its at :^)

 

[Theuser789]

Yeah, but MODERN Metal Overlord is where its at :^)

Master Overlord lost to base characters, too. Lol. Super Neo is where it's at.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Master Overlord lost to base characters, too. Lol. Super Neo is where it's at.

I said Metal Overlord, not Master Overlord :^)

I guess Super Neo might make it to animation instead? Its a possibility.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I dont need to hear them im well aware of both

Then say that right off the bat

Its more interesting to have Dante fool around till he gets serious, while Kratos take it serious till is a moment he unleashes himself eventually, over Kratos being reminded Asura is like his younger self from before

Must be a preference then. With how story focused latest Death Battles have been, I find the latter of the two more compelling. Especially since both home series are very story heavy. (Asura's Wrath should have been an anime, it would have boomed more in popularity )

Only casuals which for the most part was due to asura being an anime god of war

should that not reinforce the connections even more? And what's so bad about casuals liking it, it just shows they have good taste.

Only times i seen it talked are just Matt foing over what happened with the game back then for capcom and a channel who reacts to death battle top recently playing it, other then that not much besides vs community

In recent years people like ImDontai and MoistCritical have played through the entire game (2023 and 2022 respectively), and to rep a lesser known cool channel, Bumbles McFumbles made an entire video on it as well just a couple of weeks ago (they're funny).

Also is Matt the dude from that "What Happened" series?

Both were up close punching or h2h fighters, Kratos has weapons, Asura not, Dante can fight in both and shown it

Kratos main weapons are close up, which Asura can fight against with his fists, and the ranged weapons can be fought with his blasts. It doesn't have to be all too complicated.

You cant do both without affecting the overall narrative or we gonna believe guns or fall damage disproves characters that have clear feats above that just cuz its threatening them?...plus even gow devs went over how gameplay isnt reflecting kratos power which should be obvious, you want have playing something a challenge too, not the character one shotting everything just to appeal on the visuals or lore

Or, you know, they don't have to be one shot? They can still have these mighty or close fights with impressive feats. And you can definitely do both and have it not affect the narrative.

also we aaaaall know that gravity and guns bypass normal logic, just look at the SoulsBorne series yohoho

A game which as they put it, was a cinematic anime game, with gameplay being QTE or mashing overall, visually speaking without taking vs debating and guessing a level, it would be planet busting from them, higher levels comes from guides or calcs with something in mind when doing measurements

yes, cinematic anime game, where these feats happen in cutscenes. You can have cutscenes to show this stuff, it's that simple.

And I'm just going to say it, the beat em up and on rail shooting sections were still fun as hell, love the gameplay.

For all that spectacle it didnt sell well for capcom to do a sequel or put asura into anything outside his game, besides just one costume for Street Fighter 5 and thats about it

This is just going over the success of the game now. Yeah, it's a shame that it didn't get any follow up content (but it did get a manga so that was neat). Oh how I wish to see how Papa Asura took down that meteor falling down onto the city.

Its absurd when tiktok or youtubers use fancy words and irl religion stuff to argue huge levels not true

Well yeah, that's tiktok and YouTube shorts scaling, a bit dumb to pay those any mind at all in the first place.

 

[Tipper17]

You cant do both without affecting the overall narrative or we gonna believe guns or fall damage disproves characters that have clear feats above that just cuz its threatening them?...plus even gow devs went over how gameplay isnt reflecting kratos power which should be obvious, you want have playing something a challenge too, not the character one shotting everything just to appeal on the visuals or lore

Yes you can lol Bayonetta literally disproves this hell sonic and many others as well has shown you can stick to the narrative while also showing how strong the characters are
Ya don't need to blow up shit 24/7 to be sold as a cosmic heavyweight but you need to show something on the lines of cosmic fuckery to show you can **** with others with comparable feats

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

It's Asura's Wrath even a real game? Everytime i see something about it is the scene where a giant guy tries to destroy Earth with his finger

 

[AnAverageUsername]

It's Asura's Wrath even a real game? Everytime i see something about it is the scene where a giant guy tries to destroy Earth with his finger

it's very real I swear, the reason you see that scene a lot is because it's one of the most promoted scenes in the game even back in the concept trailer.

go and watch it, or buy it if you have the money and are interested. Its quite spectacular.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

I still remember that one time when Nintendo copyright claimed an NSFW artist for drawing Bowser's wee wee and people joked that anything Nintendo copyrights is canon to the Mario lore.

It sounds similar to the time that Nintendo, back in the 90's, bought the rights to a live action Mario porno movie just to keep it locked up forever.

The funny thing is that there does exist clips of the movie out there on the internet, but nothing NSFW of course and it's considered lost media at this point in time.

 

[Theuser789]

I said Metal Overlord, not Master Overlord :^)

I guess Super Neo might make it to animation instead? Its a possibility.

Nah. Shadow Gens is too recent for them to change their research (Bowser vs Eggman already outdated confirmed????)

 

[Tipper17]

Metal Overlord is weaker than base Modern Metal and Sage

Probably want to see how it goes down in the game before fully clowning on him
When the game comes out anyways

 

[Theuser789]

Unless Doom Powers are Super Shadow tier, I doubt the full game will change much.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Master Overlord lost to base characters, too. Lol. Super Neo is where it's at.

Super Neo literally got one-shot by Base Shadow.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

or buy it if you have the money

That's the biggest problem...

 

[Theuser789]

Super Neo literally got one-shot by Base Shadow.

He also stomped both Knuckles and Sonic so that was just hax, okay? Or Ian being a hack lmao.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Super Neo literally got one-shot by Base Shadow.

Hax fr

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Super Neo literally got one-shot by Base Shadow.

To be fair, the implication of the scene is that Shadow's Chaos Spear nullified Neo's Super form and turned him back to base involuntarily.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

To be fair, the implication of the scene is that Shadow's Chaos Spear nullified Neo's Super form and turned him back to base involuntarily.

Maybe, but it still visibly hurt him since his eyes started spazzing out like they do when he takes damage.

 

[Tipper17]

He also stomped both Knuckles and Sonic so that was just hax, okay? Or Ian being a hack lmao.

Why not both