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Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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Theburgerking11 said:


woah
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Now I think of whether it is good to make Fleetway Comics Sonic vs Janemba as a battle of innocent people who are turning evil by absorbing too much evil / negative powers.

Jimmy.robinson.5099 said:
From what I'm hearing, this is another "depends on what they give" kinda match: if Carnage is allowed stuff like Dark Carnage or Red King Carnage, it SHOULD be debatable.
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This...

And how good is Dark Carnage vs Dark Samus?

Mariogoods said:
There are Japanese gacha games which are not covered in VS Battles Wiki. Princess Connect and many others. By the way, Japanese has own wiki-hosting services which are useful in translating contents.
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Mariogoods said:
It's right. The interesting thing is that they typically adopt somewhat different standard. A certain versus debating community still holds that Alucard wins against Dio, VS Battles Wiki is trash (despite they still don't have their own character profiles website), and (inserting controversial ideologies IRL).
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A few sites to recommend?

Mariogoods said:
By the way, Silver Surfer from the 1990 video game with the same name has been created and he is surprisingly having a clear lifting strength and is 9-A. Maybe we could bring Superman 64 to the wiki next time.
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Oh I have just made calc blogs for Superman (Lois & Clark) (aka Dean Cain Superman). Now a calc blog for Superman (Superman 64)? Great. If I and anyone else have time.

Anyone wants to actually make a calc blog for Superman 64 Superman?
 
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Mariogoods said:
To be honest, it may be risky for Death Battle, but I feel that sometimes Death Battle fans want to watch something new. Obscurity in US should not be a barrier preventing them from learning something new. The world is big.
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Exactly, sometimes bring a more obscured verse (at least for the USA) can spark interest to the casuals (especially to who may be already tired to see the same series over and over) while also satisfying the fanbase who are fans about those characters.
 
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Stefano4444 said:
Exactly, sometimes bring a more obscured verses (at least for the USA) can spark interest to the casuals (especially to who may be already tired to see the same series over and over) while also satisfying the fanbase who are fans about those characters.
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Easily but again boils to what verses we're dealing with here

SS and such are fine they have decent clout down here
 
Tipper17 said:
SS and such are fine they have decent clout down here
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Yeah series of those caliber should be more than fine, as while obscured in the US they are still very popular worldwide, so eventually they are likely going to have to consider those verses if they wish to make more interesting MUs.

Series like Medaka Box or Toriko may be a bit more tricky to pull off, as they are a lot more niche but if paired with more popular series they should work fine.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Yeah series of those caliber should be more than fine, as while obscured in the US they are still very popular worldwide, so eventually they are likely going to have to consider those verses if they wish to make more interesting MUs.

Series like Medaka Box or Toriko may be a bit more tricky to pull off, as they are a lot more niche but if paired with more popular series they should work fine.
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Toriko has Black bolt vs Zebra and Toriko vs Luffy exist
Medaka is more screwed on this end
 
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piccolo should be in more Vs animations
 
Jasonsith said:
A few sites to recommend?
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For the versus community, I have recommended to you.

For the Japanese wikis, atwiki is a wiki hosting website, though if you want to find wikis, you should use search engine first and it is only in Japanese.

An example is Ruina: Fairy Tale of the Forgotten Ruins wiki:
w.atwiki.jp

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Stefano4444 said:
Exactly, sometimes bring a more obscured verse (at least for the USA) can spark interest to the casuals (especially to who may be already tired to see the same series over and over) while also satisfying the fanbase who are fans about those characters.
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Actually, Death Battle has introduced verses I don't know and the reason why I become interested in Death Battle is because the potential new verses.
Jasonsith said:
Oh I have just made calc blogs for Superman (Lois & Clark) (aka Dean Cain Superman). Now a calc blog for Superman (Superman 64)? Great. If I and anyone else have time.

Anyone wants to actually make a calc blog for Superman 64 Superman?
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Superman 64 Superman can lift a police car, but IDK about other feats. Fun fact, the official name of Superman 64 is Superman: The New Superman Adventures.
 
Soma_King said:
I'd like to see Cable get a runback some time, I'd love to see him under their new research, but who do you guys think he should fight?
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Eh idk

The dude hasn't gotten anything major for a new Runback and he don't really have any MU to bring him back
I know Trunks exist but not keen on more DB vs Marvel and Trunks ain't bringing out most of Cable arsenal unlike Booster and there's Ragna I've seen for him but that's eh
 
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:


sakuyabros....... did we get too cocky...........
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Greetings, it is I, that Redditor y'all were talking about. Here is the proof (In case y'all think I am an impersonator or something)
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Since a month has passed ever since I made that post, I'll admit that it was made to troll people, I did a little bit of trolling, a mild amount of tomfoolery if you will. I inflated Pucci's stats with the scale a TikTok powerscaler used to highball Pucci and I argued in those comments in bad faith (Though I stopped after realizing that there is no realistic way to scale Pucci higher than Sakuya) But Redditors got annoyed so I still succeeded.

Though I do genuinely believe Sakuya is realistically mountain level in terms of AP and is faster than light (To some unknown degree, I have not seen all her finite speed calculations) Mostly since I personally don't believe Creation feats equal AP, especially in Touhou when most of the time those feats are very inconsistent.
Though if you were to scale Touhou using creation feats then they're multiversal.
I also don't believe in infinite speed Touhou, I find those feats to be extremely inconsistent and I don't think they would fit well with the narrative Touhou is trying to tell.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
You are shockingly accurate.
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Most people disagree actually, even non-VS people know Sakuya's time hax are busted. Surprised to see a handful of people bring up uni+/infinite speed Sakuya though.

Also OP's a **** addicted troll, go figure :v
standard for the touhou reddit community tbh
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Nuh-uh (I was planning on sending a meme as a response but I couldn't find the video I was looking for)
Ninten65 said:
Lmfao I'm in a server with this guy, he doesn't think touhou is past mountain level and doesn't believe thier creation feats scale, I got him to believe tenshis shaking heaven was higher though after this
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(I admit I didn't have any arguments back then to respond to that) Touhou's heaven is not as big as people say it is, if I remember well it's smaller than planet Earth.

Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
That was small country level, they might've been using one of several statements of Suika being able to tear down youkai mountain.
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Is the mountain vaporization statement really a small country-level feat? I would like to see that calculation, I have not encountered them. I just assumed vaporizing a mountain is a mountain level since I don't do calcs.

Anyway, I apologize for replying to those comments after several days. I saw them days ago and I wanted to respond but I couldn't figure out how to make an account on this site until now (Yes, it took me multiple days). My bad.
 
Jasonsith said:
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Was watching more of this, on the question of why Lupin does what he does and his personality are heavily up to the director of each respective series/movie. Lupin as a character is so viered that it's really not possible to simply describe his character in any meaningful way. Like you can go from cold blooded killer to pure of heart rouge and both characterizations can be still considered canon.

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Also Lupin's deguess abilities are really good, like really good.


Also Lupin does have other time travel stuff from the stage play.
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Source?
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The main reason I believe Touhou's Heaven is not as big as people say it's that to my knowledge it has been stated twice that Heaven has a limited capacity which implies it's finite in size.

We can see that here (Source: https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Yuyuko_Saigyouji)
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And here (Source: https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Immaterial_and_Missing_Power/Story/Sakuya%27s_Scenario)
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Heaven was a keystone that was part of Earth, implying it's smaller than Earth. (Source: Scarlet Weather Rhapsody: Reisen's ending: )
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Also, Heaven has a curvature similar to a planet (An infinite place wouldn't have that)
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To my knowledge, Heaven is physically connected to the Youkai mountain (You can just fly to Heaven through the youkai mountain) and can see the moon from Heaven (Look at the top left of the image above this one) which implies Heaven is above Planet Earth. Heaven being infinite or bigger than Earth would cause lots of issues with gravity, rotation, and orbiting of the solar system.

So yeah, I personally think Heaven is smaller than planet Earth.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
tfw planet-sized stars and galaxies
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Do you have any proof Tenshi shook those stars and galaxies? Or you're just assuming it's part of Heaven since it's in the background? Even if heaven has stars and galaxies in its skies it doesn't mean a lot since Tenshi shook heaven itself, not the skies in the background.

The way I see it, it's like saying someone that can shake a natural satellite, like the Moon for example, is able to destroy everything you can see in the skies from the surface of the moon simply because you can see those things in the skies. They're different places.
 
Deidalius said:
The main reason I believe Touhou's Heaven is not as big as people say it's that to my knowledge it has been stated twice that Heaven has a limited capacity which implies it's finite in size.

We can see that here (Source: https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Yuyuko_Saigyouji)
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And here (Source: https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Immaterial_and_Missing_Power/Story/Sakuya%27s_Scenario)
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Bro

This is something that is explicitly shown to be a lie in-universe. You're quoting straight up false propaganda lol
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Deidalius said:
Heaven was a keystone that was part of Earth, implying it's smaller than Earth. (Source: Scarlet Weather Rhapsody: Reisen's ending: )
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And then there's this:
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And as we know, "the undergound world" is Hell, which is, you guessed it...


Deidalius said:
Also, Heaven has a curvature similar to a planet (An infinite place wouldn't have that)
Th155Heaven.png

To my knowledge, Heaven is physically connected to the Youkai mountain (You can just fly to Heaven through the youkai mountain) and can see the moon from Heaven (Look at the top left of the image above this one) which implies Heaven is above Planet Earth. Heaven being infinite or bigger than Earth would cause lots of issues with gravity, rotation, and orbiting of the solar system.

So yeah, I personally think Heaven is smaller than planet Earth.

Do you have any proof Tenshi shook those stars and galaxies? Or you're just assuming it's part of Heaven since it's in the background? Even if heaven has stars and galaxies in its skies it doesn't mean a lot since Tenshi shook heaven itself, not the skies in the background.

The way I see it, it's like saying someone that can shake a natural satellite, like the Moon for example, is able to destroy everything you can see in the skies from the surface of the moon simply because you can see those things in the skies. They're different places.
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This is literally the Earth being looked down upon from Heaven's perspective, as Heaven is in the sky. What you're claiming is Heaven is just the Earth. Heaven being infinite wouldn't cause any issues with Earth's gravity since, again, it is more or less the sky; The existence of an infinite universe in our own world doesn't mess up gravity here, nor do objects with near-infinite gravitational forces (ie; the center of black holes), so I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.

Also, what exactly would Tenshi be shaking if not what we literally see as Heaven? She isn't standing on anything, she's just floating in the sky when Heaven starts shaking, so what are you using to determine her range in this circumstance?

Anyways I'm tired so I need to go to bed but when you're at the point where canonical lies are one of your primary sources you really should just be quiet for a bit.
 
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