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What's your stance on my proposal?Infinity Bump
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What's your stance on my proposal?Infinity Bump
No. That's more due to cosmology stuff.Doesn’t the entire reasoning for High 1-A+ ainur come from Iru being Boundless.
Let’s stay on topic. Lord of the Rings stuff can come later, and more preferably on a different thread.
DC, in general being that low never looked right.Wait how did I end up here?
Personally speaking, 1-A looks good. Be glad to see the Presence and Archangels no longer being 1-C. Just did not look right.
I still remember Lucifer vs Archie Super Silver ending as an inconclusive battleWait how did I end up here?
Personally speaking, 1-A looks good. Be glad to see the Presence and Archangels no longer being 1-C. Just did not look right.
What? I love seeing many people's opinions in a revisionWhat's your stance on my proposal?
Not really what I was going for but thanks.What? I love seeing many people's opinions in a revision
It makes the post feels more alive and real
What kinds of things do you have suspicions about?I retract my statement on this scan. It actually might be important if Ultima starts evaluating this thread because I have some suspicions.
I've reread House of Mystery and it has some capability of bringing about High 1-A.What kinds of things do you have suspicions about?
I think this too. Especially because of the potential of story worlds.I've reread House of Mystery and it has some capability of bringing about High 1-A.
Yeah, it's pretty blatantly obvious. Though, to be careful, I'll write a quick summary of it but I want to see people’s opinion on it.I think this too. Especially because of the potential of story worlds.
Hmmm. I don't know about you but the House of Mystery kinda gives off that vibe.The apex of this tier, represented also by a "+" modifier in their Attack Potency section (High Outerverse level+), corresponds to characters whose power encompasses meta-qualities, meta-meta-qualities, and any and all conceivable extensions of this process, being on a which in which their power influences the space of all logically possible worlds ("Logical space," where the laws governing it are the three laws of thought), being characters who either have the ability to actualize arbitrarily large worlds, or embody the framework of such worlds itself.
This has already been brought to my attention. I'll look at it shortly.Are any of you willing to help out with evaluating this please?![]()
House of Mystery is at an accessible point. It is a mystical realm located at the supernatural crossroads between many worlds.Miscellaneous:
This section is continued and will be added to the OP. However, I'll make clear any of the information present in these sections is meant to illicit that they can be possibly used. This means they're not direct and coherent things to be used if the general consensus favors not using them.
The House of Mystery is considered an ontological diagesis. This simply means the structure of reality in the story is being told through a medium. That medium is the House of Mystery.
The entirety of all realms or more so stories told by the mystery of the House are pure “conception(no more or less).” They act as flaws without perfect unity which is called Omneity which in easy terms just means allness.
For example, there's a world called Archetypal Forest in the storyline literally called “Thesis.” As a place that's beset by unreality in all directions. The residents there being literal what and if.
Then another place is called “a place that is not a place, that exists between things that are and things that are not known. Between the substance and the sense. Between shape and the form. The word and the thought. It has no name, though some call it the space between.”
All of that is a “possibility” taking effect as just a story, a story of a world that has could be and what if. Which would be important later.
A garden in fights between cats and birds, a realm older than Eden, Heaven, and Hell. Where even infinitesimal dung contains entire Universes, since this is Vertigo, this is a non-fancy way of saying Creation/Multiverse.
Now, why is this important. Well, all these stories/worlds are to the resident “more real than reality itself.” All its connection point connects all “possible worlds.”
Now, let's look at High 1-A:
Hmmm. I don't know about you but the House of Mystery kinda gives off that vibe.
Yes, but none of those people are natural in any way.House of Mystery is at an accessible point. It is a mystical realm located at the supernatural crossroads between many worlds.
Yes like that. In fact, those among them are people with unique narrative skills and they have enough skills to create worlds. Even enough to be able to implement real world logic.Yes, but none of those people are natural in any way.
Could try, but I only have a bit of time in a day or two.Are any of you willing to help out with evaluating this please?![]()
Seems more like you're looking at it tall.This has already been brought to my attention. I'll look at it shortly.
Thank you for helping out.This has already been brought to my attention. I'll look at it shortly.
Should the references I brought to you attention be added to the OP? Or should we open a larger CRT once this is accepted?Bump. While we wait for Ultima. Would anyone like to contribute your opinion?
No. If we're going to add those then this is the thread to do so.Should the references I brought to you attention be added to the OP? Or should we open a larger CRT once this is accepted?
There are a lot of elements not only from House of Mystery, but also from Books of Magic and other Sandman spin-offs.No. If we're going to add those then this is the thread to do so.
Then any new info would be great. You have relevant scans?There are a lot of elements not only from House of Mystery, but also from Books of Magic and other Sandman spin-offs.
Frankly, sharing it here may cause more complexity. I prefer to wait.O zaman yeni bir bilgi harika olurdu. İlgili taramalarınız var mı?
I will propose making a part 2 of this thread. Everything in the OP is what's being proposed then for the part 2 specifically just for Vertigo with all the other stories.Frankly, sharing it here may cause more complexity. I prefer to wait.
This will be better.I will propose making a part 2 of this thread. Everything in the OP is what's being proposed then for the part 2 specifically just for Vertigo with all the other stories.
Ain't that the truth. There's plenty to mention for the vertigo side. You got some stuff like Lucifer shaping the void into hell with just his shadow and darkness. And this wasn't just any void. It's described as not a place but an unbounded emptiness. The same emptiness that the Presence didn't bother shaping or sealing with his will in the beginning. Stuff that was always missing from the cosmology split because for whatever reason, Mike Carey's Lucifer took precedence over the other comics. But that's off topic.There are a lot of elements not only from House of Mystery, but also from Books of Magic and other Sandman spin-offs.
This is normal in a way. Although Dan's Lucifer is a more contrasting and traditional profile to God, and not much different from Mike's in terms of power, he is much higher up hierarchically. My goal is to expand on the references to the Sandman/Vertigo Cosmology. This is important in every way.Ain't that the truth. There's plenty to mention for the vertigo side. You got some stuff like Lucifer shaping the void into hell with just his shadow and darkness. And this wasn't just any void. It's described as not a place but an unbounded emptiness. The same emptiness that the Presence didn't bother shaping or sealing with his will in the beginning. Stuff that was always missing from the cosmology split because for whatever reason, Mike Carey's Lucifer took precedence over the other comics. But that's off topic.
Anyway, the reason I'm back is because I forgot to give my vote. I agree with the DeMatteis Cosmology tiering. At least for God and Pralaya stuff. As for the Vertigo side, I have no interest in voting for or against it as it stands. Even though I could, I rather remain neutral.
And the thing is, what I mentioned above about Lucifer shaping the void isn't even Dan's Lucifer. This stuff came out decades ago with Sandman and the other spin offs. Predating Carey's run by nearly a decade too, but it got ignored for Carey's stuff. This is off topic though, so I'll leave at that for now.This is normal in a way. Although Dan's Lucifer is a more contrasting and traditional profile to God, and not much different from Mike's in terms of power, he is much higher up hierarchically. My goal is to expand on the references to the Sandman/Vertigo Cosmology. This is important in every way.
Dan's Lucifer has a similar ability. Which one are you talking about? This is not off topic.And the thing is, what I mentioned above about Lucifer shaping the void isn't even Dan's Lucifer. This stuff came out decades ago with Sandman and the other spin offs. Predating Carey's run by nearly a decade too, but it got ignored for Carey's stuff. This is off topic though, so I'll leave at that for now.
OK then. I personally agree with the OP. And I'm going to nudge a few staff here to vote.Kinda is. The discussion is better for part 2 or this thread.