DC Street Level Tier are too low?

[Stubid.jackson.k.lau]

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111216997/4557174-4051434-7557200727-12166.jpg - Deathstroke single-handily lift something that requires 100 people to lift

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4437469-deathstroke+005-006.jpg - Deathstroke and Batman fights + destroying the building and Deathstroke uses the wall as weapon.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111246859/4772334-0186629675-25303.jpg - Deathstroke being able to hurt Lobo who can take hits from Supergirl

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/batman-vs-lobo-2.jpg + https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111276552/5121660-8669861343-batma.jpg - Lobo who can keep up with Superman couldn't react to Batman cutting his finger off.

https://i.imgur.com/mavWllx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/FV5NSvb.jpg

- Knowing that Lobo can't die, Batman casually blows him up (Note that this already happened twice)

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/16715/3573249-7849344016-01-30.jpg - Batman stealthing, Superman and Martian Manhunter couldn't keep up with what was happening

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2752389-supermanbatman10_doomsday3.jpg - Doomsday clones that can hurt Superman

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/149056/3209889-8616274725-012su.jpg - Batman's equipment destroying them quite easily


I know these aren't proper feats to upgrade them and some may consider them PIS. But the fact that these feats are consistent throughout makes me think their base tier is too low to begin with.

 

[Hellbeast1]

While i do believe Wall Level and Supersonic street levels is too low, i feel that these scans are more likely then not PIS or outliers (Doomsday Bats ting)

 

[Stubid.jackson.k.lau]

While i do believe Wall Level and Supersonic street levels is too low, i feel that these scans are more likely then not PIS or outliers (Doomsday Bats ting)

They are not really Doomsday. They are just clones that are much weaker than Doomsday. But they are likely at least Tier 8-C

Most feats on Batman here is when he realizes the opponent can't die or are not alive.

 

[Hellbeast1]

But as shown in the scan they are able to hurt Superman (a 4-B feat) and since Dura scales to AP there is no way Bats can hurt those clones.

 

[Stubid.jackson.k.lau]

But as shown in the scan they are able to hurt Superman (a 4-B feat) and since Dura scales to AP there is no way Bats can hurt those clones.

Or maybe it's the other way around.

Or the Doomsday have low resistent and high attack potency.

Or the Battleaxe is magical (since it is an Amazonian axe and Doomsday are weaker against magic)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

They harmed Supes with their punches, therefore they can dish out 4-B levels of energy with physical attacks, meaning they can survive the force of hitting with solar system levels of energy as per Newton's Third Law

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Didn't we agree to upgrade Batman to 8-C, MHS based off a Katana calc awhile ago?

Some of this requires way more context like Deathstroke using a building as a weapon, and other stuff is huge outliers/pis (The Lobo thing for example).

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

I feel , ignoring lobo, this may be fair, that or deathstroke is the odd one out, since i constantly hear and see him do shit street tier fighters wouldnt be able to do.

 

[Stubid.jackson.k.lau]

I feel , ignoring lobo, this may be fair, that or deathstroke is the odd one out, since i constantly hear and see him do shit street tier fighters wouldnt be able to do.

Because Deathstroke is technically a Superhuman. I don't really understand why he is 9-B to begin with since he is well known for being the big bad for the Titans.http://i.imgur.com/xtmQ5YG.jpg

I think the only reason why he got so low is because he had many fight with Batman that ends in stalemate who I also don't think is 9-B.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Batman is commonly portrayed as 9-B. Don't think that will change from even 50 higher feats.

But deathstroke, not sure, if he has the feats and is portrayed as such consistently , then I'm for upgrading him.

 

[Stubid.jackson.k.lau]

Batman is commonly portrayed as 9-B. Don't think that will change from even 50 higher feats.
But deathstroke, not sure, if he has the feats and is portrayed as such consistently , then I'm for upgrading him.

The issue with Batman is that he is portrayed differently in his own comic and in others. He is only portrayed mostly as 9-B in his own comic while obviously above 9-B in others. And I wouldn't call it inconsistent since he is consistently above 9-B when he is outside of his own comic, like in the Justice League, team-ups and other comics. Same goes for Deahtstroke, he is also portrayed differently depending on where he is at.

Batman is only kept more grounded in his own book to keep his book street level.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Im going to be blunt here and say that the DC Street Tiers are never going to be above Tier 8 on their own, no matter how many instances of them fighting characters stronger than that exist. With special equipment and weapons maybe but not on their own.

 

[Stubid.jackson.k.lau]

Im going to be blunt here and say that the DC Street Tiers are never going to be above Tier 8 on their own, no matter how many instances of them fighting characters stronger than that exist. With special equipment and weapons maybe but not on their own.

Agreed that they are definitely not going above Tier 8. But I do see them in Tier 8.

And Batman definitely can take down characters like Deadshot who are likely 8-C even without using his equipment https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/99010/1954013-batsquadshot.jpg

As well as defeating both Deathstroke and Deadshot at the same time https://i.redd.it/eil1q3f0ybdz.png

(Noted Deathstroke and Deadshot are both in their early days)

 

[Hellbeast1]

Dont forget there have been calcs that put them at Hypersonic as well (felt like stirring the pot)

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Dont forget there have been calcs that put them at Hypersonic as well (felt like stirring the pot)

Massively Hypersonic too, which was accepted. Not sure if it was for PC, N52 or PR though.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Oh yeah, it was agred a while ago that they were ctually supposed to be upgraded to 8-C but for some reason it never went through or wasnt fully approved

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

It was either Small Building level+ (just barely below the Building level threshold) while slightly above the Building level threshold depending on what end we accepted, with Batman and those who scale just being 8-C for being much stronger then Katana.

I approved the calcs, so I don't know why they weren't applied yet.

 

[Stubid.jackson.k.lau]

The reason why I post this is because I saw those posts but they somehow did not went through.. (Thus posting this kind of as a reminder)

 

[Antvasima]

DC is not as bad as Marvel when it comes to insane matchup results, but it is bad enough, and we cannot scale from blatant outliers, even recurrent blatant outliers.

However, I would appreciate if some calc group members could evaluate the following calculations, and state which ones that are acceprable to use:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Cropfist/DC_Street_Level_Upgrades

 

[Antvasima]

@Darkanine

I cannot see your name in the blog above, so you seem to have forgotten to handle it.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I personally accepted those calcs ages ago here. I think the only contention was whether or not we use the Small Building+ end or the (just barely) Building level end.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. You need to reply in the blog itself for us to be able to use it though.

In addition, FanofRPGs made a new version of the baseball catching calculation.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Could you send us a link?

 

[Antvasima]

Here:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Cropfist/DC_Street_Level_Upgrades

It is the second listed method.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I thought by making a slight addition to the calc was enough to say that I was okay with it since I wouldn't have dismissed it entirely, but okay.

 

[Antvasima]

Sorry. I noticed that you had replied long ago at the bottom of the page. My mistake.

Anyway, if you tell me which of the 3 Katana calculations that you made a new version for, I can update the blog accordingly with a second method, like I did for FanofRPGs.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, as I mentioned earlier, it is always necessary to state outright which of the calculations and/or results in a blog that you accept.

 

[Antvasima]

Darkanine has been kind enough to evaluate the calculations.

He accepted the Massively Hypersonic Katana calc, and provided a new version that landed her at Building level attack potency.

The latter still needs to be evaluated by the other calc group members however.