DC Hold back revision

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

With the help of Imp-ress, Qaw, SuperAPM, and many others, I have compiled a blog detailing why several characters should not scale to Superman, new tieriing for Superman, and new tierings for virtually every major, 4-B character in DC.

TL;DR, Superman should be varies depending on his level of seriousness, and VERY few characters should scale to him when he is fully serious, and should otherwise scale to a variety of 5-C, 5-B, and 5-A feats.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Link doesn't work, at least for me

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

the link does not work

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Link doesn't work, at least for me

the link does not work

Fixed

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

That links to one for Marvel

 

[The_Impress]

@Antvasima @Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @Eficiente and anyone else.

Also link should be fixed

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

That links to one for Marvel

aaaa, fixed again

 

[Drio_The_God]

I’m glad DC Comics still remains maintained, from time to time.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Where would characters like Martian Manhunter and Darkseid's Post Flashpoint avatars be in this? I assume they'd scale directly to Superman so like 5-A, 4-B at peak.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Where would characters like Martian Manhunter and Darkseid's Post Flashpoint avatars be in this? I assume they'd scale directly to Superman so like 5-A, 4-B at peak.

Darkseids avatars probably don't hold back, so just 4-B. MMH should be 5-A to 4-B like Supes, thanks for reminding me.

 

[Roachman40]

good work, I agree

 

[The_Impress]

FELLAS, to remain objective, first thing this CRT should be focused on, is getting the core standard accepted.

Individual characters can be discussed afterwards, so please try to see if the concepts BEHIND the tiering reshuffle are solid.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Well I agree. Everything looks fine.

 

[Drio_The_God]

I agree as well.

 

[LordTracer]

I also agree. I have a couple of questions about the new scaling, but I’ll save those for later.

 

[The_Impress]

Also don't think of this as a downgrade necessarily, this is like, crucial shit for most UPGRADES even. This is establishing not everyone and their mothers should scale to Superman at his MAX strength, so it's just adding a new step to the powerstairs

 

[Drio_The_God]

This is establishing not everyone and their mothers should scale to Superman at his MAX strength

I agree with that.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Also don't think of this as a downgrade necessarily, this is like, crucial shit for most UPGRADES even. This is establishing not everyone and their mothers should scale to Superman at his MAX strength, so it's just adding a new step to the powerstairs

That's true.

 

[Xearsay]

I agree with this.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

This makes sense

 

[KLOL506]

Nice.

Speaking of which, this means we should prolly restore the 5-A feats of New 52 Supes as well, like him pushing a Kryptonite Moon, a larger-than-Earth ship with Manhunter and so on and so forth.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Nice.

Speaking of which, this means we should prolly restore the 5-A feats of New 52 Supes as well, like him pushing a Kryptonite Moon, a larger-than-Earth ship with Manhunter and so on and so forth.

Completely forgot about those feats, thank you!

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Also don't think of this as a downgrade necessarily, this is like, crucial shit for most UPGRADES even. This is establishing not everyone and their mothers should scale to Superman at his MAX strength, so it's just adding a new step to the powerstairs

I agree. Even in the DCAU Supes holds back immensely.

 

[Antvasima]

@Zensum @C2_of_Omegon @Sandman31 @SuperAPM @EmperorRorepme @LuciferDC099 @Newendigo @Ehnkr2beboh @Deagonx @Elizio33 @LordTracer @Planck69 @Confluctor

What do you think about this?

 

[Antvasima]

Also, I noticed the following blog that might be useful for this revision:

statement compilation

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Overlord775]

agree with the notion of the thread

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Also, I noticed the following blog that might be useful for this revision:

statement compilation

vsbattles.fandom.com

Already I see issues with that blog (John destroyed Mogo as a Black Lantern channeling powerful Indigo power, which isnt communicated in the blog, it mixes up continuities constantly, no sources, etc). I don't think the blog itself is useful and it seems like most of the noteworthy feats from it are things I've already used. Still, could be useful to look through.

 

[Planck69]

Agree with the general concept of the thread.

 

[PrinceofPein]

i Agree
Anyway whe is the big marvel and DC revision coming

 

[Confluctor]

@Zensum @C2_of_Omegon @Sandman31 @SuperAPM @EmperorRorepme @LuciferDC099 @Newendigo @Ehnkr2beboh @Deagonx @Elizio33 @LordTracer @Planck69 @Confluctor

What do you think about this?

Definitely agree with the concept of the thread. When I get off work, will go through it thoroughly.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Completely agree with this, fixes DC scaling a lot

 

[Eficiente]

Very good job, I agree.

 

[Greenshifter]

I do not fully agree with the concept of the thread. Considering Superman and other leaguers also hold back during their tier 4 feats which I’m not sure if that has been accounted for. I am unsure how many 4-B feats remain though.

 

[The_Impress]

I do not fully agree with the concept of the thread. Considering Superman and other leaguers also hold back during their tier 4 feats which I’m not sure if that has been accounted for.

This is a separate thread topic YOU have to prove, this thread isn't dealing with what SUPERMAN should be, it is dealing with what EVERYONE ELSE should be.

In regards to "more tier 4 feats" you have to provide them and get them calced, because I remember a thread prior basically yeeted all 4-B reasoning except the two calcs

 

[Confluctor]

Ah yes, endless Superman upgrade threads. What joy

Jokes aside, after reading through it quickly, I agree that Cap Atom shouldn't scale to Supes, but he definitely does have higher feats. But that's a thread for a different time (when I finally stop being lazy)

There is one calc I find confusing (maybe cause I suck at maths), but how is destroying a moon large planet level?

DC: Donna Troy survives moonbust

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Ah yes, endless Superman upgrade threads. What joy

Jokes aside, after reading through it quickly, I agree that Cap Atom shouldn't scale to Supes, but he definitely does have higher feats. But that's a thread for a different time (when I finally stop being lazy)

There is one calc I find confusing (maybe cause I suck at maths), but how is destroying a moon large planet level?

DC: Donna Troy survives moonbust

vsbattles.fandom.com

The way the scene plays out, he destroyed the moon via blasting out its mass outward, meaning the KE of of the fragments shot out as yields 5-A results.

As for Atom, I'm not surprised, I just head to deal with what I currently have.

 

[The_Impress]

3-A Marvel Moonbust Energy

 

[Confluctor]

The way the scene plays out, he destroyed the moon via blasting out its mass outward, meaning the KE of of the fragments shot out as yields 5-A results.

Huh interesting.

 

[LordTracer]

So I have two questions.
1: Why doesn’t Doomsday scale to “peak” Superman?
2: Where exactly is Hal Jordan ending up at? Cause he’s not listed anywhere.

 

[Confluctor]

Where exactly is Hal Jordan ending up at? Cause he’s not listed anywhere.

Varies up to 4-B I presume.