DC Cosmology

[Elizio33]

I am fine with a Low 1-C Sphere of the Gods. Anything higher than that needs thorough reliable analysis and evidence.

I understand that but if you look at the sca, you'll see that the void which the dying multiverse fly through is represented as a sea-like thing and at the end of it, where Perpetua and her sons are in the scan is represented as a beach-like thing which is the banks were multiverses are created by the likes of Perpetua or 6th dimension.

In other words and on a easier manner to explain my point, all this suggest that the 6th dimension could be literalily at the top of morrision's cosmology map of the multiverse (the snyder's version of it by the way), being at the very edge of the void.

 

[Elizio33]

@FanofRPGs

In Morrison's cosmology Bleedspace has only five spatio-temporal dimensions. Only Snyder uses dimensions as governing layers of the existence.

Universe: 3-A

Universe + Time (4-Dimensional spacetime): Low 2-C

Parallel Universes + Timelines: 2-A

Bleed: Low 1-C

Orrery of Worlds: Low 1-C

Hypertime: Low 1-C

Fourth Dimension (Snyder's Cosmology): i'm not sure about it.

Fifth Dimension (Snyder's Cosmology): 1-B, as it's blood of the Multiverse and energy that flows between realms. Mxyzptlk stated that Fifth Dimension is everything at once.

Limbo: 1-A, as it's outside of the Multiverse and has no proper space and time like the rest of the Multiverse does.

Monitor Sphere: 1-A

The Source Wall: 1-A

Sixth Dimension (Snyder's Cosmology): 1-A

I agree. For the fourth dimension of time, Mister Mxyzptlk described the multiverse as existing in four dimension and as the fourth dimension is time.. Possibly 2-A or even Low 1-C.

 

[Antvasima]

So what would need to change from our current tiering structure?

 

[SpiritofVengeance01]

Nothing, i already made this blog based on the current tiering structure. The reason I made this blog is to help explain tiers of some characters (The Endless, Pralaya, Monitors etc.).

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks.

 

[SpiritofVengeance01]

Oh, i just remembered. The Dimensional Superstructure must be 1-A, as it is the super structure of the Multiverse and governs all things imaginable and unimaginable. Elizio33 agreed with me, as well.

 

[Elizio33]

Yes, Low 1-C for The Dimensional Superstructure is too low. So, 1-A or Low 1-A could be work. And you should mention in your blog that the 6th dimension exist at the very end of the void.

 

[Elizio33]

So, for the higher dimension and layers.

• Sphere of the Gods: Low 1-C

• Limbo: 1-A

• Monitor Sphere: 1-A

• Fourth Dimension: Likely Low 1-C (Mxyzptlk said that the multiverse exist in four dimension and it is the dimension of time. So, it should govern hypertime, speed force ect. I'm not sure)

• Fifth Dimension: 1-B (As SpiritofVengeance01 said, the 5th dimension is imagination the blood of the multiverse that flows between realms and it exist everything at once. Snyder's Mxyzptlk should be at the same tier as well as he exist in the 5th dimension and he was going to unmake the multiverse on a 4th wall's manner)

• Sixth Dimension: 1-A (A timeless realm beyond imagination and highest level of existence outside creation completely including the source wall and likely exist at the very end of the void. It is the place where multiverses are created by the likes of perpetua (as perpetua created her multiverse here) and acts of the multiverse control room)

• Dimensional Superstructure: 1-A/Low 1-A Governs the imaginable (5th dimension) and the unimaginable (6th dimension). Its opposite the sixth note is a power beyond imagination (5th dimension) and is unlocked when the impossible is glimpsed. When in control, perpetua can stop her sons to re-form in the 6th dimension. It is what powers mar novu, alpheus and mobius.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we have two problems here:

One is that the staff just decided that explanations for specific verse cosmologies should go to a single page, not be spread out over several of them.

And the second is that we need considerably more input from knowledgeable members.

 

[Elizio33]

Well, we have two problems here:

One is that the staff just decided that explanations for specific verse cosmologies should go to a single page, not be spread out over several of them.

And the second is that we need considerably more input from knowledgeable members.

I know. It's just an explanation on which the staff can use for the future page. Like for the layers of existence, the dimensional superstructure ect.

I will ask some of them.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks.

 

[Elizio33]

Since the dimensional superstructure is both, the superstructure of the DC Multiverse and the power source of the Monitors, it can be on the future page of dc explanation and still have a profile. But as SpiritofVengeance01 said, it should be 1-A though Low 1-A can work as well.

 

[Antvasima]

Both the dimensional superstructure and the sphere of the gods should probably be included in a cosmology explanation page.

 

[Elizio33]

Another thing is that the Dark Multiverse should be At least Low 1-C or even 1-B as its a subconscious realm of dark matter of pure possibly on which the multiverse float on and universes based on the fears and hopes of all beings in the multiverse spawns. The Dark Multiverse even contain its own Sphere of the Gods. The Dark Multiverse should also be included on the new page.

Edit. Good idea from the staff to create a page explanation! We should do the same thing for Marvel as well.

 

[The_Impress]

Also, could be formatted more professionally ig

 

[PrinceOfTheMorning]

Wow, so we're gonna have a cosmology page, huh? Cool.

• For Hypertime, I think we should just consider it 2-A. Despite Morrison's original concept, it's mostly been used to refer to the collection of every timeline.

• The Orrery is Low 1-C, as is the Sphere of the Gods (unless the policy on Morrison's platonic statements changed while I was gone). This is ignoring all the various stuff about higher dimensions though.

• Limbo and Monitor Sphere are 1-A.

• Snyder's way of using dimension as governing layer makes his Fourth and Fifth Dimensions Low 1-C at the very least, maybe higher depending how you interpret Mxyz's destruction of everything in Justice League as well as all the instances of 1-B higher dimensions. The Sixth Dimension is 1-A.

 

[Elizio33]

@PrinceOfTheMorning are you agree that the 6th dimension exist at the very end of the void? https://i.imgur.com/XVLcbIl.jpg

 

[Firestorm808]

The 6th dimension is outside the source wall.

 

[Elizio33]

I know that the 6th dimension is outside creation and the source wall but it also exist at the end of the void.

 

[Antvasima]

@PrinceOfTheMorning

Would you be willing to write a DC Comics cosmology structure page for us? You can ask any other members that you wish for help.

 

[SpiritofVengeance01]

I'm glad that you're back, POTM !

So, i think we finally decided on tiers.

Hypertime = 2-A

Orrery of Worlds = Low 1-C

Sphere of the Gods = Low 1-C

Fourth Dimension = Low 1-C

Fifth Dimension = at least Low 1-C, likely 1-B

Limbo = 1-A

Monitor Sphere = 1-A

The Source Wall = 1-A

The Dimensional Superstructure = 1-A

Sixth Dimension = 1-A

 

[Antvasima]

I am also glad that he is back. I have been getting extremely frustrated from dealing with some of the DC and Marvel threads.

 

[PrinceOfTheMorning]

If I said yes, how detailed are we talking? Because there are a LOT of realms besides the main ones that are still relevant to certain characters.

 

[Antvasima]

Just the most important parts relevant to the scaling in our wiki.

 

[PrinceOfTheMorning]

Well, that shouldn't be too hard then. Is there a standard format that I'll need to follow?

 

[Alonik]

I forgot about this discussion, sorry, smh.

What is the justification for 1-B? And what scan?

 

[Antvasima]

@POTM

Not as such, but you can use the Masadaverse Explanation Page for inspiration if you wish.

 

[ClassicNESfan]

I basically agree point-for-point with POTM's proposals. He has the right idea as far as I am aware.

 

[PrinceOfTheMorning]

@Ant

Should I include Snyder's use of "dimension" or not? It doesn't have much to do with any profiles' scaling but it could probably cause a lot of future confusion if left out.

 

[Elizio33]

Well, the brothers three and perpetua scale to these dimension. Maybe add a note for Snyder's dimensions?

 

[PrinceOfTheMorning]

My bad. I know the Sixth Dimension is for sure included, I was talking about like the Third and Fourth.

 

[Elizio33]

Oh! Well, i suppose adding them isn't a necessity

 

[Elizio33]

Shouldn't we include the dark multiverse too?

 

[Antvasima]

@POTM

That seems fine, yes.

Once you are done, I would appreciate if you take a very critical look at our current Marvel scaling. It seems exaggerated and unreliable to me.

 

[Firestorm808]

The Dark Multiverse, Anti-Matter Universe, and Positive Multiverse are within the Orrey, right?

 

[FanofRPGs]

Dark Multiverse is outside of it in Dark Nights Metal

 

[Firestorm808]

Okay. Still below the 4th world, right.

 

[Elizio33]

The dark multiverse contain a sphere of the gods on which the upside down man live.

 

[FanofRPGs]

Okay. Still below the 4th world, right.

It was outsisde everything including the Source Wall actually?

 

[Firestorm808]

They broke the Source wall at the climax of Metal.