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I can agree with the removal of the MFTL buu saga part
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I can agree upon removing the MFTL for the buu saga characters- but thats about it from me.Antvasima said:So, what are the conclusions here regarding which speed values that we should assign to the characters?
IMO, they should go back to the values they were at before the MFTL edit: that is "At least FTL+" or "FTL+"Antvasima said:Okay, and what value should they get instead?
Goku wasn't Kaio-Ken x10 at that point in the fight, assuming you're referring tot he scene I think you're referring to.Lina Shields said:Just wondering if you guys knew that Goku was already at Kaio-Ken x10 when he deflected Frieza's lightspeed Death Beams? Scans for evidence will be provided for it soon.
But 100% Freeza has to be FTL at a minimum.Antvasima said:But I do not think we can just give them ratings without any basis except for guesswork.
We would see a major scene in the manga if Frieza was able to increase his power 50 times to what it was before. Frieza's power went up from 25% (matching Goku's Kaio-Ken x10) to 50% (matching Goku's Kaio-Ken x20), and the manga made a huge deal out of it.FTW395 said:@Lina Shields I know this is a staff only discussion, but I think this is relevant to your post. Wasn't there a scene in the Manga where Frieza states he was only using 1%? If it took KKx10 Goku to match 1% Frieza then KKx20 Goku wouldn't be able to push back 50% Frieza.