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Freeza's Death Beam isn't MFTL+, I'm sorry. We go by what the actual feats of speed show, not by basing on the sensing capabilities which are very inconsistent in Dragon Ball.
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Yeah exactly. Cinematic time can be used to downplay any verse. For example we know gold saints (in saint seiya) are at least lightspeed (and during the sanctuary arc Seiya and his friends fought equally with them), but someone could use the time they took to climb stairs (that was slowed down so the spectator can understand what happens ... otherwise if they climbed for stairs at lightspeed we wouldn't see anything) to severely downplay the verse to peak human. I can already imagine joke profiles:RadicalMrR said:Also most shows do the same thing as DB, characters are just running at really low speeds in a time sensitive situation when they have feats to support them being able to run much faster, to make it simplir to understand "Blank could barely cross X distance in X time" and this logic can be used to downgrade any verse.
Definitely not MFTL + yeah ... it is either FTL + or FTL (it depends what form Frieza is using).Matthew Schroeder said:Freeza's Death Beam isn't MFTL+, I'm sorry. We go by what the actual feats of speed show, not by basing on the sensing capabilities which are very inconsistent in Dragon Ball.
It's been a while I didn't watch the anime so I forgot about that part. Anyway you understood what I wanted to say: it's very easy to downplay a verse by using cinematic time.Matthew Schroeder said:@Jeune Fou
The Saint Seiya stair-climbing is a terrible example. Athena and the Pope both warp the space around the entire Sanctuary, and the 12 Houses in particular, making it impossible to use abilities such as teleportation to get across, and making the climb last around 12 hours.
I swore there was a calc of Goku dodging a Kamehameha meaning that he would be 300c in the Cell saga.Matthew Schroeder said:But my examples aren't nearly as extreme as yours, and they offer no such explanations. Even Vegeta while furious to having had his Dragon Balls stolen still didn't cross Namek instantly. Goku doing that is meant to be a great show of speed.
But anyway, even if we do keep Piccolo's moon feat around, we need to do something about MFTL Buu. That is clearly wrong.
Yes, but the problem with my calc above is that I legitimately cannot find a consistent statement of how quick the time between the activation and the initial reactions of the explosion would be. I chose 1 milisecond because that is what I found, but I find some sources saying it takes place in microseconds or the likes.Matthew Schroeder said:Freeza's feat still wields better results.
What's the other feat? the only one that I remember is the death beam one and were tryed to be debunked in OP.Matthew Schroeder said:Freeza's feat still wields better results.
No, the feat is of Goku escaping across the blast at "super speed"Antoniofer said:What's the other feat? the only one that I remember is the death beam one and were tryed to be debunked in OP.Matthew Schroeder said:Freeza's feat still wields better results.
About the explosion feat, it could be considered a speed feat, but the explosion hasn't any given expasion speed or similar: Even if we use the highest detonation speed known (that we shouldn't), the result would stil be slow.
It was on content revision when I commented on it.ProfessorKukui4Life said:My bad for joining in but isnt this now just staff-only? Why are there normal members replying to this?