DBZ speed downgrade (severe)

[The_real_cal_howard]

Even disregarding my argument, even in classic DB, which is the basis of your argument so you can't claim that it's fanmade without sounding hypocritical (don't take that the wrong way. I don't wanna insult a friend), the speed feats other than Piccolo vs Goku are travel. Peak Human+ has no justification, along with Supersonic+, and Hypersonic+ comes from Tao's travel speed feat.

 

[SomebodyData]

Also, again, was the Goku crossing Namek feat debunked? If not, then that is the biggest feat in the verse.

Additionally, what speed is the Death Ball feat by the way? I might need it in this argument.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Iirc, ~30K or less.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/freezas-base-death-ball-speed.33608/

Mach 33,000

 

[SomebodyData]

I don't get the first part of your statement.

IDK what peak human+ actually comes from, it's from the young goku page, just comparing it to the travel feat I found. Supersonic+ comes from a calc I believe, where he catches bullets shot at him, once again, from Goku's page. No and yes in regards to Tao's feat. It is based on him managing throw a pillar he threw because of natural travel wise he would be too slow.

 

[SomebodyData]

So the Death Ball feat, a feat that had Frieza with literally no charging, is only about 1/2 that of Piccolo's feat?

 

[Dark649]

I changed Beginning of Dragon Ball Goku speed to Peak Human to be more consistent.

 

[SomebodyData]

What?

EDIT: I understand, uh and so you deemed the peak human+ not be accurate? Okay. Uh, we have to talk about this Dark649, here first, then you can change it. Not sure, how it impacts this tho.

 

[Dark649]

You have to post a calc where he did a peak human+ speed feat and then i shall revert it, i saw and agree with the Supersonic+ and Hypersonic+ speeds feats because they were calced.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I forgot that Goku could catch bullets as a kid lol. But that should be mentioned on his profile because it's not there.

 

[SomebodyData]

Yeah, now I have to find the feats that put him at peak human+ in the first place ;_;

@Dark in that case it would be "Unknown" not peak human

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Freeza did do no charging to fire his Death Ball, yes, but that's really not an argument considering the hierarchy of dozens of characters who are above Low 5-B Piccolo but beneath First Form Freeza.

 

[Dark649]

I do believe that the Peak Human speeds comes from Great Lee evading attacks from a trained warrior or Kid Chi Chi outrunning a Tyrannosaurus Rex.

 

[SomebodyData]

Oh noice

According to science, the T-Rex could likely run 45mph, or in other words, even Kid Chi Chi is at least 20 m/s or Superhuman.

That said, she doesn't use ki so the rule wouldn't apply to her, nor should he scale.

>Inb4 you realized she is basically the only natural, non-chi using human to have unnatural strength.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Chapter 2 Goku catched a flying Pterodactyl.

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...l/Dragon Ball v1&image=Dragon+Ball+v1-034.jpg

 

[SomebodyData]

That would probably be around ~30 m/s or still Superhuman according once again to science, but this time usable.

 

[Antoniofer]

It seems more like he used the motorbike to catch a boost, however, I'm good with outrunning the T-Rex, even tho, everyone in early DB was able to outrun a T-Rex.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I don't think Pilaf Arc Goku ever catches bullets in the manga?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Also, Master Roshi was clearly holding back when he crossed 100 meters in 5.6 seconds.

He even states that Goku and Krillin would easily be able to break 5 seconds with training:

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/cache/Manga/Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball v3/Dragon Ball v3-062_795.jpg

 

[Dark649]

 

[Promestein]

That should probably be calced, and it's not Pilaf Saga Goku anyways.

We're getting off track, also.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Those are Red Ribbon Arc onwards.

 

[Antoniofer]

Guess I could give a try to those feats; and yeah, is a little off track, this is DBZ speed revision, not DB.

 

[Dark649]

This comes from the Tournament Saga, which is behind Red Ribbon Saga.

 

[Dark649]

For Dragon Ball Z there is this, which should be considered.

 

[Antoniofer]

^Speed is unknown tho, and considering that Tien was able to dodged it, it shouldn't be that impressing.

 

[SomebodyData]

Lol at the fact that we made this a DB calc thread, but anyways, @Cal lets drop the travel vs combat argument for now, as it has no actual point in this thread, and see that before we make any revisions.

First, can you show the new scaling you propose with the revision?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I Posted above Frieza Saga to Buu Saga.

 

[Antoniofer]

I known is off track, but I made this blog about Goku's feats, couldn't do it the last one since I couldn't si the distance between the furry and Goku; and about Rochi, a calc ins't required, but need to investigate a little.

 

[SomebodyData]

K, then let me propose Saiyan Saga.

Unknow Raditz - Ginyu Force

Unknow, likely Sub-Relativistic Ginyu - Namek Saga Goku + KK (Beginning to approach the level of a casual Frieza, who has a Mach 33,000 feat)

At least Sub-Relativistic Frieza 1st Form w/o Armor / Full Power 1st Form - 3rd Form Frieza

Likely Sub-Relativistic+ Goku Post-Zenkai

Relativistic Goku + KK up to x5

Relativistic+ Goku KK x 20 / 50% Frieza

Cal already did the rest.

 

[FTW395]

@SomebodyData if this uses Piccolo's beam feat then why is Raditz-Ginyu Force rated as unknown instead of just Sub-Rel?

 

[Dark649]

I'm not really a fan of the Unknown rating.

 

[RadicalMrR]

Stuff that needs to be calced or recalced (My eyes are dilated so I apologize if I misspell something)

• Piccolo's attack in DB where it seemed go the outer regions of Papaya Island

• Fan's calc here.

• Gotenks circling Earth

• Super Buu's Human Extinction Attack

And I think I know a MFTL feat but more on that one later.

 

[SomebodyData]

@FTW it doesn't. If we don't accept the sub-rel feat, that's how it would be.

@Dark you have any feats / calcs to propose then?

 

[SomebodyData]

@Rad neat

 

[SomebodyData]

Gotenk's is likely 93% LS if I remember correctly.

 

[Dark649]

@Dark you have any feats / calcs to propose then?

This is the last picture i can post then i'll leave to RadicalMrR options.

 

[Antoniofer]

Again, unknown speed from laser eyes, also, that panel could be considered aim dodging. Going to need the number of the chapter where Gotenks travel around the Earth. I think that someone calculed the human extintion in being Mach 20k, I think is Sub-Rel at the very most.

 

[Lina_Shields]

NOTE: I actually accepted that Frieza's Death Beam calculation, if it is of any relevance. No need to re-calc it again, imo.

 

[Antoniofer]

@Lina, I think than that feat were or is about to be debunked, letting the Piccolo Moon Bust the only indirectly combat speed in DBZ, along with the Frieza one (Death Ball).