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Me and Matt were talking about this for a second, and I decided to make it now. This affects most of the verse, up into the Buu Saga, where there's a non-debunkable feat in Buu's galactic travel.
Sub-Rel
Matt and I believe that this would be an outlier, only made worse by the weirdness of using attack speed to scale to normal speed, and even if it was okay, the way we treat it would be like making all lightning timers MHS+. And it would be an outlier because of the fact that big plot points consist of people much faster than BoZ Piccolo and Raditz taking hours to cross planetary distances. It takes Goku wayy too long to cross Snake Way, resulting in the death of his friends. Krillin, Vegeta, Gohan, and Dende take a long time to cross Namek. It's treated as a big deal when Goku does his own Sub-Rel feat. Now I know what people are thinking. Combat Speed and Travel Speed are different when it comes to Dragon Ball, and the latter is faster. This "common knowledge" is false. Almost all of DB's best feats are travel speed. Goku crossing Namek, Buu flying across stellar distances, everyone and their mother crossing universes in DBS, even Broly moving across a galaxy. So unless we want low MFTL+ Whis... And there is one combat feat in DB. But that is false for a different reason.
FTL(+)
Next is Frieza's Death Beams and Goku dodging them. They're assumed to be lightspeed for not that good of a reason. It's because a back cover called them a "flash of light" (I don't need to begin why there's a problem with that) and that people could sense FTL spacepods from the Ginyu Force but not Death Beams. For starters, sensing, not just in DB, but in fiction in general, should never be used like that. You can see a jet flying in the sky at supersonic+ speeds at far enough distances, but can't see it if it's close to you. This is that multiplied by thousands. Not only were the ships much much much farther than said analogy, but they were using something canonically much better than eyesight to track them. Not to mention that it wasn't accepted by the calc group, and DT, our no. 1 calcer wasn't for it.
Conclusion
All in all, DBZ's speeds need adjusting. Unfortunately, Saiyan Saga has no better feats than the Snake Way feat, so it would have to be scaled off of that. And Namek, Frieza, and Cell Sagas have to be scaled off of Goku crossing Namek.
Sub-Rel
Matt and I believe that this would be an outlier, only made worse by the weirdness of using attack speed to scale to normal speed, and even if it was okay, the way we treat it would be like making all lightning timers MHS+. And it would be an outlier because of the fact that big plot points consist of people much faster than BoZ Piccolo and Raditz taking hours to cross planetary distances. It takes Goku wayy too long to cross Snake Way, resulting in the death of his friends. Krillin, Vegeta, Gohan, and Dende take a long time to cross Namek. It's treated as a big deal when Goku does his own Sub-Rel feat. Now I know what people are thinking. Combat Speed and Travel Speed are different when it comes to Dragon Ball, and the latter is faster. This "common knowledge" is false. Almost all of DB's best feats are travel speed. Goku crossing Namek, Buu flying across stellar distances, everyone and their mother crossing universes in DBS, even Broly moving across a galaxy. So unless we want low MFTL+ Whis... And there is one combat feat in DB. But that is false for a different reason.
FTL(+)
Next is Frieza's Death Beams and Goku dodging them. They're assumed to be lightspeed for not that good of a reason. It's because a back cover called them a "flash of light" (I don't need to begin why there's a problem with that) and that people could sense FTL spacepods from the Ginyu Force but not Death Beams. For starters, sensing, not just in DB, but in fiction in general, should never be used like that. You can see a jet flying in the sky at supersonic+ speeds at far enough distances, but can't see it if it's close to you. This is that multiplied by thousands. Not only were the ships much much much farther than said analogy, but they were using something canonically much better than eyesight to track them. Not to mention that it wasn't accepted by the calc group, and DT, our no. 1 calcer wasn't for it.
Conclusion
All in all, DBZ's speeds need adjusting. Unfortunately, Saiyan Saga has no better feats than the Snake Way feat, so it would have to be scaled off of that. And Namek, Frieza, and Cell Sagas have to be scaled off of Goku crossing Namek.