Dragonball manga speed upscale

[Mgebrat282]

This manga feat will upscale not only Frieza and SS1 Goku from Namek, but the entire manga. Making Buu saga characters trillions - quadrillions(some even quintillions and sextillion) times the speed of light. And it would upscale super much higher(btw it needs revision anyway as it's based on the old dbz blog, not the new one)

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

This manga feat will upscale not only Frieza and SS1 Goku from Namek, but the entire manga. Making Buu saga characters trillions - quadrillions(some even quintillions and sextillion) times the speed of light. And it would upscale super much higher(btw it needs revision anyway as it's based on the old dbz blog, not the new one)

You need to get the feat/calc accepted by a calc group member before using it in a CRT.

 

[Robo432343]

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[Mgebrat282]

You need to get the feat/calc accepted by a calc group member before using it in a CRT.

Ok, do you know any calc member(my planet Vegeta calc wasn't even watched at for several month, even tho I pumped it 14 times in calc revision)

 

[AmonInChains]

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[Huesito88]

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[StarShooter80]

This manga feat will upscale not only Frieza and SS1 Goku from Namek but the entire manga.

This isn't even a real feat, in the manga Goku and Frieza are already looking upwards at Porunga when the wish is made:

The anime makes this case worse as they only look up at the dragon balls going to space while they are slowly moving upwards, and stop right before they truly begin traveling at high speeds.

This also isn't a reaction speed of some sort, they aren't dodging any Dragon Balls they're just perceiving them travel an intergalactic distance from afar, that's nothing. The calculation isn't even evaluated whatsoever so this thread shouldn't have been made.

Making Buu saga characters trillions - quadrillions(some even quintillions and sextillion) times the speed of light. And it would upscale super much higher(btw it needs revision anyway as it's based on the old dbz blog, not the new one)

We already had an entire CRT tackling how the speed multipliers for the manga are overbloated lets not try to act like that doesn't exist anymore or that this suddenly disproves it for some reason.

Also

it was accepted on this old, still accepted calc that King Kai stating that Namek is outside his juricdition, means Earth and namek are across intergalactic distances (2.5 Million lightyears of Earth/Milky way to Andromeda galaxy for distance)

hovewer, the calc gets wrong about North galaxy being a mere Galaxy (even the 10 year old comments of the calc points this out), and namek being outside of it just meaning going to the nearest galaxy

this is wrong because its accepted that the universe in DBZ Toei is infinite (which also means that the North Galaxy, as sections of the living universe, is also infinite in size, which doesnt means that earth and namek are an infinite distance away, but it exemplifies that a mere 2.5 million lightyears distance is way too low for getting out of north galaxy)

and even thought DBZ manga and Kai doesnt have an infinite universe, the North galaxy still takes 1/4 of the living universe as a section of it (which should be observable universe in size, 93 billion lightyears in diameter, and i´d assume 46.5 Billion lightyears for each of the 4 galaxy quadrants) 2.5 Million lightyears its still too low

I already covered why this is just a fundamentally wrong distance to use for the feat in a previous thread, I'll just repeat the same arguments I presented there now here:

Spoiler

The ship travelling full quadrants of the universe is simply not possible. For context Goku's ship uses Saiyan technology for its speed, which comes with some problems. Vegeta and Nappa's pods take nearly a year to travel from one unknown part of the universe to Earth. Realistically, if the pods can travel between quadrants in just six days, it would take far less time. It's never implied that Earth's technology makes it even faster, in fact Earth technology at its peak is far inferior speed-wise, heck the entire reason Saiyan technology is used is because its much faster. Both planets can also just reside in the closer part of their separate quadrants, which doesn't bring about the previous contradictions. We should just assume Namek is in another galaxy, due to them being in separate quadrants that have their own sets of galaxies and whatnot, and then use the distance between Earth and the nearest galaxy (Andromeda) as a lowball.

As for why Vegeta's spaceship got there at the same time as the humans: Despite even leaving Earth first, he didn't even go straight to Namek. He first travels to one of Freeza's planets which took 18 days, healed there for 22 days, and then travelled to Namek from the last planet which took 5 days. The distance between these planets with Freezas is unknown, all it implies is, basing off of Goku's spaceship, is that the distance between Freeza's planet and Earth is far larger than the one between Namek and Earth, and the distance between Freeza and Namek is even shorter that Namek to Earth which is logically possible. So this shouldn't be a contradiction at all, and that Vegeta's ship and Kamis aren't comparable at all even without accounting for Goku's ship, due to the different starting locations and distances to cover.

As for if Dr. Brief's could have made the ship faster: It's already established that Earth technology, even accounting for what he could do, would be infinitesimal in speed. Nothing in the manga even implies that he could have made the ship even faster or anything like that, all he did was add on to it with a gravity room and made it bigger.

So hard disagree

 

[AguilaR202]

I already covered why this is just a fundamentally wrong distance to use for the feat in a previous thread, I'll just repeat the same arguments I presented there now here:

Spoiler

The ship travelling full quadrants of the universe is simply not possible. For context Goku's ship uses Saiyan technology for its speed, which comes with some problems. Vegeta and Nappa's pods take nearly a year to travel from one unknown part of the universe to Earth. Realistically, if the pods can travel between quadrants in just six days, it would take far less time. It's never implied that Earth's technology makes it even faster, in fact Earth technology at its peak is far inferior speed-wise, heck the entire reason Saiyan technology is used is because its much faster. Both planets can also just reside in the closer part of their separate quadrants, which doesn't bring about the previous contradictions. We should just assume Namek is in another galaxy, due to them being in separate quadrants that have their own sets of galaxies and whatnot, and then use the distance between Earth and the nearest galaxy (Andromeda) as a lowball.

As for why Vegeta's spaceship got there at the same time as the humans: Despite even leaving Earth first, he didn't even go straight to Namek. He first travels to one of Freeza's planets which took 18 days, healed there for 22 days, and then travelled to Namek from the last planet which took 5 days. The distance between these planets with Freezas is unknown, all it implies is, basing off of Goku's spaceship, is that the distance between Freeza's planet and Earth is far larger than the one between Namek and Earth, and the distance between Freeza and Namek is even shorter that Namek to Earth which is logically possible. So this shouldn't be a contradiction at all, and that Vegeta's ship and Kamis aren't comparable at all even without accounting for Goku's ship, due to the different starting locations and distances to cover.

As for if Dr. Brief's could have made the ship faster: It's already established that Earth technology, even accounting for what he could do, would be infinitesimal in speed. Nothing in the manga even implies that he could have made the ship even faster or anything like that, all he did was add on to it with a gravity room and made it bigger.

First part I agree.

Anime depiction has to be dismissed because we just had a thread specifically debunking added scenes to upgrade feats, same logic would be applied in reverse, we can’t use this argument here.

The last bit about Namek-earths distance doesn’t make much sense unless you’re defining the distance as a set percentage of a quadrants size, in which case it can’t be more than 1/60th because the 365 day trip would have the Saiyans traveling from outside of the universe.

for reference ~175 something million light years isnt even 1/200 the radius of the observable universe, as a theoretical upper cap for the distance, if we force DB universes to be 93 billion LY in diameter, you can go as high as 1.5 Billion LYs distance between earth and namek and still accommodate the Saiyans initial trip to earth without issue.

 

[Damage3245]

This seems to assume that the Dragon Balls reached their full speed instantaneously, with no subsequent acceleration during the entire journey from Namek to Earth.

Are the results consistent with any other speed feats at that period of time in the manga?

 

[Mgebrat282]

Are the results consistent with any other speed feats at that period of time in the manga?

Do we assume that Goku travelled to Frieza and Vegeta from another side of Planet Namek at the moment? If yes...then yes

 

[Damage3245]

Do we assume that Goku travelled to Frieza and Vegeta from another side of Planet Namek at the moment? If yes...then yes

We don't currently assume that, because Frieza's ship where Goku was healing at was quite close to where Frieza was fighting Vegeta, Piccolo and the others. Remember Krillin and Gohan only carried the Dragon Balls a short distance away from the ship to make their wish, then Frieza arrived there after the wish and started fighting right away.

 

[Mgebrat282]

We don't currently assume that, because Frieza's ship where Goku was healing at was quite close to where Frieza was fighting Vegeta, Piccolo and the others. Remember Krillin and Gohan only carried the Dragon Balls a short distance away from the ship to make their wish, then Frieza arrived there after the wish and started fighting right away.

Hmm...what about Frieza escaping Namek explosion just before it(Goku said he could do that even in his bad state in the end)?

 

[Slav]

Lowkey, in all my years reading and rereading Dragon Ball I have never noticed this. Great find.

Unfortunately I do believe that the Dragon Balls simply accelerated, as objects don't usually go from 0 to 100 instantly.

 

[Mgebrat282]

Lowkey, in all my years reading and rereading Dragon Ball I have never noticed this. Great find.

Thanks, I also trying to make a Namek meta, you can read about it. Maybe it would let upscale DBZ manga

Unfortunately I do believe that the Dragon Balls simply accelerated, as objects don't usually go from 0 to 100 instantly.

Shouldn't that, you know, downscale every other speed feat in every verse? You know, because objects and animals also deccelerate while moving. Also we have a Piccolo stopping the ship feat assuming it accelerated instanteniously, why it can't be applied here?

 

[Slav]

Thanks, I also trying to make a Namek meta, you can read about it. Maybe it would let upscale DBZ manga

Shouldn't that, you know, downscale every other speed feat in every verse? You know, because objects and animals also deccelerate while moving. Also we have a Piccolo stopping the ship feat assuming it accelerated instanteniously, why it can't be applied here?

I mean, personally I never bought that Piccolo reacted to the ship going at top-speed. I also think characters tend to slow down their ships when they are within a planet's range, as seen in the Saiyan Saga since normal people can react to Saiyan Spaceships that are about to land. It could be to prevent collisions or unnecessary damage, but I doubt they even want to fly at top-speed so close to the surface ( Since they weren't trying to fly into space but rather across the surface of the planet IIRC ).

 

[Mgebrat282]

I mean, personally I never bought that Piccolo reacted to the ship going at top-speed. I also think characters tend to slow down their ships when they are within a planet's range, as seen in the Saiyan Saga since normal people can react to Saiyan Spaceships that are about to land. It could be to prevent collisions or unnecessary damage, but I doubt they even want to fly at top-speed so close to the surface ( Since they weren't trying to fly into space but rather across the surface of the planet IIRC ).

Well, it's VSBW, so...meh?

 

[Dalesean027]

Why are yall derailing talking about super? The Piccolo feat is irrelevant here.

That aside I also disagree with this thread

 

[Saqphire]

Disagree FRA plus I genuinely don’t think it was narratively intentional from Tori for a feat where looking up resulted in MFTL++++++ combat speed

 

[Crimson_cordx]

Can't we just use this accepted calc instead?

 

[Dalesean027]

Can't we just use this accepted calc instead?

No thats already been rejected in a recent thread, there's nothing really here so this should probably be closed

 

[Saqphire]

Can't we just use this accepted calc instead?

It was already addressed in the speed CRT, it’s not an actual feat that anyone scales to unless you want MFTL+ average humans cuz it’s them who are doing it

 

[DavidTPPM]

Shouldn't that, you know, downscale every other speed feat in every verse? You know, because objects and animals also deccelerate while moving.

No. Travel speed feats yeah (actually it'd be both, the initial speed would be lower than the calculated speed and final speed would be higher, since calculations usually only measure the average speed) but basically no other feats.

And we already work with that for basically all verses. It's why Naruto characters have MFTL travel speed but 20x lower combat speed, or why MCU characters have subsonic combat speed and MFTL+ space travel speed.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

No thats already been rejected in a recent thread, there's nothing really here so this should probably be closed

Oh, mb

 

[Crimson_cordx]

It was already addressed in the speed CRT, it’s not an actual feat that anyone scales to unless you want MFTL+ average humans cuz it’s them who are doing it

Wasn’t it Goku’s ki that did the speed feat?
And MFTL+ humans ain’t even weird, it’s fiction after all.

If u want MFTL+ manga scaling, just use Babidi saying Buu’s blast would send Gohan to the edge of the universe. Kinda crazy nobody calc’d that yet.

 

[Mgebrat282]

No. Travel speed feats yeah (actually it'd be both, the initial speed would be lower than the calculated speed and final speed would be higher, since calculations usually only measure the average speed) but basically no other feats.

Objects usually decellerate to stop at the end

And we already work with that for basically all verses. It's why Naruto characters have MFTL travel speed but 20x lower combat speed, or why MCU characters have subsonic combat speed and MFTL+ space travel speed.

Umm, do I need to remind you that Ben 10 in VSBW has travel speed upscaling, even when it's the same thing as in this CRT? If you don't agree with this CRT, then you should go and talk to them about this

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Umm, do I need to remind you that Ben 10 in VSBW has travel speed upscaling, even when it's the same thing as in this CRT? If you don't agree with this CRT, then you should go and talk to them about this

Don't bring in other versus into this, but yeah... Ben 10 speed is getting nuked...

 

[Mgebrat282]

Don't bring in other versus into this, but yeah... Ben 10 speed is getting nuked...

Then why is it still not changed?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Then why is it still not changed?

They are working on finding a new scaling chain and replacement values, so the change will be implemented in the next CRT.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Objects usually decellerate to stop at the end

Sure but deceleration isn't instant so most feats wouldn't be affected by a significant margin.

Umm, do I need to remind you that Ben 10 in VSBW has travel speed upscaling, even when it's the same thing as in this CRT? If you don't agree with this CRT, then you should go and talk to them about this

I'm not a B10 supporter/fan/whatever

 

[AguilaR202]

Sure but deceleration isn't instant so most feats wouldn't be affected by a significant margin.

I'm not a B10 supporter/fan/whatever

I mean if any thought is put into it (besides the fact a FTL shouldn’t be perceiving anything because it literally shifts your vision, characters have up to several million kilometers to decelerate before landing on a planet.

The only way travel speeds can work for reactions is if they can shift their movements within a single meter of travel

 

[Mgebrat282]

Sure but deceleration isn't instant so most feats wouldn't be affected by a significant margin.

But it's fast and almost inst.