DBS Timelines reduction application thread

[Omegabronic]

Continuation of this thread and this thread, due to several things, was only able to do this thread now

Now that the afterlife is considered only "Likely" Universal in size and Toei is no longer part of the canon multiverse, this thread was is now made to update the ratings of Tier and Speed to reflect the consequences of such

Speed​

Recalc accepted here is the blog with the new values https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Omegabronic/DBS_Conservative_Speed_Multipliers_Recalc_edition
Forget this, will be kept as is on the pages, will change it back when i get to my PC

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AP​

Everyone that scales directly from the BoG feat goes back to 3-A, now with a likely 2-C, since the afterlife is "likely" a Universal Space Time, the feat in BoG goes back to what it was before the 2-C ratings, as such the characters also go back to Low 2-C via infinite Zamasu scaling in the ToP
So more or less like this, only by the UI and Jiren like characters being full 2-C

Everyone that scales to a GoD scales fully to 2-C (2, likely 4 universes)
Edit:forget the above, DBS Anime stays as is, DBS Manga is the only one to change


Since the one scene that was the contradiction for the Afterlife being Universal in size was DBS Anime continuity exclussive, the DBS Manga will continue to be 2-C all around, scaling to 2 Universes

Edit: DBZ Kai being made canon doesn't change the main contradiction to the universe sized afterlife from last thread, that being the Super Shenron Scene of the U6vU7 tournament arc not showing the afterlife as the upper half of U7 when we get shots of it from the outside, which also contradicts the model used to explain the Afterlife as said upperhalf

So the facts that made the earlier conclusion happen did not change at all, thus not mattering for this thread's purpose

Other stuff​

Also of course, all the linking to the cosmology blogs that involve Toei exclussive stuff in the character and verse pages of the main canon material, such as this and this one should obviously be removed as they are no longer accepted as canon material

for the Hypertimeline blog, all it will need to be done is the full removal of all Toei elements from it, i have been told that the Hypertimeline is still valid even without them, as such i am not going to question nor try to change it here, if one thinks otherwise another thread for it should be done as this one is not the place for it



Since this thread is only applying accepted stuff, it should be simple and quick

Edit: it wasn't given my lack of information on previous accepted stuff, i hereby give my apology to @TheGodOfICE777 and @Killerdrone123 , as well as my thanks for clearing my mess

That said, we can now finally procceed

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I will continuously moderate the thread. Any off topic post will be deleted without warning.

That being said, something needed to be discussed particularly, it's how DBZ Kai being accepted as canon to DBS anime affects cosmology elements. This thread being made so late after the cited threads in OP necessitates the Kai topic being a point of discussion. It is what it is.

 

[Omegabronic]

I will continuously moderate the thread. Any off topic post will be deleted without warning.

That being said, something needed to be discussed particularly, it's how DBZ Kai being accepted as canon to DBS anime affects cosmology elements. This thread being made so late after the cited threads in OP necessitates the Kai topic being a point of discussion. It is what it is.

huh, true..............honestly that has so many implications for scalling, kind of shocking nothing was done with it until now

i will check later if Heaven is still said to be Universal in size in Kai, if so........well.............my work will be partially undone lol

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

One thing I’ll comment on is that the Chozenshuu and Daizenshuu have the Heaven statement with the star. The same star is also used for information about Whis and I’m pretty sure other BoG characters too. So super anime shouldn’t be affected at all by this.
It should remain solid with speed not needing any changes.

 

[Omegabronic]

One thing I’ll comment on is that the Chozenshuu and Daizenshuu have the Heaven statement with the star.

pretty sure that is in regard to the OG Toei anime continuity, as other elements of it exclussively not present in Kai are also marked with it iirc

Do you have a link to the guide?

The same star is also used for information about Whis and I’m pretty sure other BoG characters too. So super anime shouldn’t be affected at all by this.
It should remain solid with speed not needing any changes.

BoG as in......the movie? Cuz that ain't canon to the DBS Anime

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

pretty sure that is in regard to the OG Toei anime continuity, as other elements of it exclussively not present in Kai are also marked with it iirc

Do you have a link to the guide?


BoG as in......the movie? Cuz that ain't canon to the DBS Anime

It’s just in regards to the TV version of Dragon Ball in general. I used the Whis example to demonstrate that. Since Kai information also falls under the star.

 

[Omegabronic]

It’s just in regards to the TV version of Dragon Ball in general. I used the Whis example to demonstrate that. Since Kai information also falls under the star.

what Kai information exactly? And if it is about the TV Version of DB in general......then how can we know it applies to Kai and not just the OG Toei anime? Since stuff exclussive to it, like the DBZ Movies elements also have the star iirc

Also........can you link the guide? If you are affirming the stars placement and elements then i assume you have it on hand for us to check

Also to note, Afterlife already had Universal statements before the Kai stuff, that would be another one.......point is, the Super Shenron scene directly contradicts that regardless as said in the previous thread, this has not changed with any new statements about the size, that scene still holds to what it contradicted in the previous thread

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

what Kai information exactly? And if it is about the TV Version of DB in general......then how can we know it applies to Kai and not just the OG Toei anime? Since stuff exclussive to it, like the DBZ Movies elements also have the star iirc

Also........can you link the guide? If you are affirming the stars placement and elements then i assume you have it on hand for us to check

Also to note, Afterlife already had Universal statements before the Kai stuff, that would be another one.......point is, the Super Shenron scene directly contradicts that regardless as said in the previous thread, this has not changed with any new statements about the size, that scene still holds to what it contradicted in the previous thread

OG Toei Anime stuff does apply to Kai. Unless you’re referring to Toei Z. Also, regarding the movies if I’m not mistaken I think that the movies use a different symbol or different color, but I’m not 100% confident. But I do know any information that’s for just the television stuff always has a star, hence why I used Whis as an example.


Don’t got a link, but I can send the scans. Here is the Whis scan.


Got no idea what you’re arguing here. Are you saying that the statement is contradicted?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Since this thread is only applying accepted stuff, it should be simple and quick

I agree with the OP given this is apparently based on an already accepted thread.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I thought people had already taken care of this scale of Kai being canon and having the sky being Universal sized, but nothing like that happened.

Although i remember well that the afterlife was accepted as being size of the Universe and was solid, it seems that i ended up being mistaken ( although i wouldn't want things to go back to 3-A and low 2-C)

 

[Omegabronic]

I thought people had already taken care of this scale of Kai being canon and having the sky being Universal sized, but nothing like that happened.

Although i remember well that the afterlife was accepted as being size of the Universe and was solid, it seems that i ended up being mistaken ( although i wouldn't want things to go back to 3-A and low 2-C)

Like, yeah, there were statements about it being Universal even before, Kai giving more doesn't change the scene that was what made the earlier thread be accepted(The Super Shenron Summoning showing the Universes) so i am honestly confused as to why people are bringing Kai as if it somehow changed anything regarding this......it did not

 

[Killerdrone123]

I agree with the OP given this is apparently based on an already accepted thread.

You see there is this thing that Kai is now canon to dbs anime so things mentioned in op might not affect dbs anime which even op agreed that he forgot so please wait before you even vote or clear your stance regarding that

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Like, yeah, there were statements about it being Universal even before, Kai giving more doesn't change the scene that was what made the earlier thread be accepted(The Super Shenron Summoning showing the Universes) so i am honestly confused as to why people are bringing Kai as if it somehow changed anything regarding this......it did not

Kai contains information about the afterlife, as it is the size of the Universe and some things if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Omegabronic]

You see there is this thing that Kai is now canon to dbs anime so things mentioned in op might not affect dbs anime which even op agreed that he forgot so please wait before you even vote or clear your stance regarding that

That is covered in the OP already, after i was reminded of what the "new evidence" supposedly was, i looked it up and saw that it doesn't affect what made the earlier conclusion for the earlier thread be accepted

The Super Shenron Scene and its contradictions to Universal afterlife still remains and would still affect the universal statements for the afterlife, which it always had, so i don't see how Kai particularly matters here

 

[Omegabronic]

Kai contains information about the afterlife, as it is the size of the Universe and some things if I'm not mistaken.

See, we already had this informartion, the Super Sheron Scene still contradicts it as the Afterlife is not big enough to be seem when we see Super Shenron being summoned in the DBS Anime, which was the main point that made the earlier threqd reach the conclusion it did

 

[Killerdrone123]

Like, yeah, there were statements about it being Universal even before, Kai giving more doesn't change the scene that was what made the earlier thread be accepted(The Super Shenron Summoning showing the Universes) so i am honestly confused as to why people are bringing Kai as if it somehow changed anything regarding this......it did not

Broski there was literally a thread about this where Titled propsal which covered this point and expanded why it won't be a contradiction so it doesn't matter I don't know why you are bringing this up again literally mods agreed with titleds response

Also I am making this clear it was already accepted in the previous threads that the realms are separated by space and time and afterlife was agreed to be universal the db Kai statement of universal heaven would just keep the 3 space times for dbs anime

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

That is covered in the OP already, after i was reminded of what the "new evidence" supposedly was, i looked it up and saw that it doesn't affect what made the earlier conclusion for the earlier thread be accepted

The Super Shenron Scene and its contradictions to Universal afterlife still remains and would still affect the universal statements for the afterlife, which it always had, so i don't see how Kai particularly matters here

'I looked it up and saw what it was and saw that it doesn't affect the conclusion'

Please elaborate. This is starting to feel dishonest and or reductive. Why does it not change?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Also can someone link the thread were we accept to take the Super Shenron depiction literally. I need to do some reading because this is starting to feel sus

 

[TiltedFN]

What is this nonsense about super shenron contradicting stuff? I already cleared that up months ago so why are you bringing it up again?? Also no, there is no 3-A to be had here since the macrocosms already have different spacetime continuums, destroying it all would be low 2-C at the least. You pulled 3-A out of absolutely nowhere, so that needs to be completely removed from the proposal because it makes zero sense. This is the EXACT same reasoning you used months ago that literally got rejected.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

This is wild, Kai is canon so we can utilize the statement of Heaven being universe-sized. Then the argument is that shenron contradicts it?

Like this is not just applying accepted changes, this is an attempt to downgrade especially when the visual stuff was already talked about and Tilted’s summary got accepted. And of course you got you know who already agreeing with the downgrade attempt.

 

[RenderGK]

By the way, wasn't there a thread with this proposal before and it was rejected?

Above, in the thread they sent with the titled response, it was decided that the macrocosm would be 2c, because the maps don't use literal letters. mmm

 

[Omegabronic]

Broski there was literally a thread about this where Titled propsal which covered this point and expanded why it won't be a contradiction so it doesn't matter I don't know why you are bringing this up again literally mods agreed with titleds response

So yet another thread that changed things and it wasn't made anything about it eh? Sigh, ok, thanks for informing me, legit forgot that as well, will alter the calc in the OP and the AP proposal, thank you for informing me

So currently, neither model is accepted as usable, right?

Also I am making this clear it was already accepted in the previous threads that the realms are separated by space and time and afterlife was agreed to be universal the db Kai statement of universal heaven would just keep the 3 space times for dbs anime

Noted, still need the "other" section in the OP to be made regardless, as that isn't affected by this

 

[Omegabronic]

You guys should tone it down, was an simple mistake of me not seeing some threads as they weren't really to the pages......would still like thr Kai statement to put in my calc blog tho


Also, DBS Manga is still downgrade to 2 Universes

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

See, we already had this informartion, the Super Sheron Scene still contradicts it as the Afterlife is not big enough to be seem when we see Super Shenron being summoned in the DBS Anime, which was the main point that made the earlier threqd reach the conclusion it did

Omega, there's no way you can see a dimension separated by space-time through that map, you've got to be kidding us, we have already removed the galaxy shaped map, you cannot resort to a visual demonstration of an incomplete map, being honest with you, not even the Kaioshin realm has been shown, there is no basis for that argument there.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

The Super Shenron Scene and its contradictions to Universal afterlife still remains and would still affect the universal statements for the afterlife, which it always had, so i don't see how Kai particularly matters here

I definitely disagree with this. As has been raised, we rejected the super shenron scene as contradicting 2-C size macrocosm before. Since Kai retains the universal-sized Heaven, that's GG.

 

[Killerdrone123]

So currently, neither model is accepted as usable, right?

Yeah no model

 

[Omegabronic]

I definitely disagree with this. As has been raised, we rejected the super shenron scene as contradicting 2-C size macrocosm before. Since Kai retains the universal-sized Heaven, that's GG.

Yes, i know, i said it myself i will change the OP to reflect that, i merely forgot that thread is all

don't be mad at me guys lol

 

[Omegabronic]

Yeah no model

Ok, thank you for being informative, respect, will now change the OP

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Yes, i know, i said it myself i will change the OP to reflect that, i merely forgot that thread is all

Just wanted to state it outright for an official staff vote.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I agree with the OP given this is apparently based on an already accepted thread.

"Apparently" is kind of the operative word here, no? Should probably verify if that's the case

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

"Apparently" is kind of the operative word here, no? Should probably verify if that's the case

You see there is this thing that Kai is now canon to dbs anime so things mentioned in op might not affect dbs anime which even op agreed that he forgot so please wait before you even vote or clear your stance regarding that

Ah. I'm neutral on the Super Shenron point if that wasn't already accepted.

I was told this thread was just applying already accepted stuff in PMs.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Ah. I'm neutral on the Super Shenron point if that wasn't already accepted.

I was told this thread was just applying already accepted stuff in PMs.

Super Shenron is irrelevant here, in summary. Kai retains the elements that make the macrocosm 2-C, and indeed, Kai is already accepted as canon to DBS anime. It's pretty straightforward.

 

[Omegabronic]

Ah. I'm neutral on the Super Shenron point if that wasn't already accepted.

I was told this thread was just applying already accepted stuff in PMs.

It was my thinking, i was mistaken due to ther threads i forgot about

The OP should be only accepted stuff now, again, sorry for my goof, should have asked first

 

[TiltedFN]

Ah. I'm neutral on the Super Shenron point if that wasn't already accepted.

I was told this thread was just applying already accepted stuff in PMs.

What do you mean "neutral" the super shenron stuff has never been accepted

 

[Omegabronic]

Super Shenron is irrelevant here, in summary. Kai retains the elements that make the macrocosm 2-C, and indeed, Kai is already accepted as canon to DBS anime. It's pretty straightforward.

Yeah, but the DBS Anime, as well as removing any Toei element from the canon explanation blogs and pages should be 100% valid

 

[CloverDragon03]

Super Shenron is irrelevant here, in summary. Kai retains the elements that make the macrocosm 2-C, and indeed, Kai is already accepted as canon to DBS anime. It's pretty straightforward.

Yeah, basically this. The Super Shenron thing was brought up as a contradiction despite DBZ Kai being canon, but the Super Shenron thing wasn't actually accepted so that's not usable

 

[Omegabronic]

What do you mean "neutral" the super shenron stuff has never been accepted

It was at one point, it was changed later by Luffy's thread

Point is, it isn't currently, not even in the current OP

 

[Omegabronic]

Yeah, basically this. The Super Shenron thing was brought up as a contradiction despite DBZ Kai being canon, but the Super Shenron thing wasn't actually accepted so that's not usable

I would like for people to stop talking about it now, it is already removed from the OP, focus on the actual current proposals please

 

[CloverDragon03]

I would like for people to stop talking about it now, it is already removed from the OP, focus on the actual current proposals please

I'm referring to the response of "neutrality" on the topic despite it never even being accepted and this thread being intended to apply only accepted stuff. I've said all I've wanted to say on the topic

 

[Omegabronic]

I'm referring to the response of "neutrality" on the topic despite it never even being accepted and this thread being intended to apply only accepted stuff. I've said all I've wanted to say on the topic

It was accepted at one point, it isn't currently tho

But i understand

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So, what about the Other stuff in the OP? Any opinions towards that?