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I agree that they do scale to the speed of their explosions and the shockwaves they produce FRA, Kakarot, Ryu, and Zamasu are right from what I can see.
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Oh very highWell, if that is accepted, what would Goku's speed look like in his Ultra Instinct form?
Assuming the new calc get accepted and that multipliers for both Kaioken, SSj1 and SSjB Forms are still valid.Well, if that is accepted, what would Goku's speed look like in his Ultra Instinct form?
I don't see reason why we shouldn't, the Kaioken and SSj1 Form multipliers had be accepted for DBZ Goku, so the same should be apply with DBS Goku.Just a question, but do we accept the other forms multipliers? And do we accept that it increases speed or no?
The wiki only accepts ssj to be > Kaioken x20 in speed.Just a question, but do we accept the other forms multipliers? And do we accept that it increases speed or no?
HehAh, very well then.
15 Sextillion ftl... Damn, Goku finally faster than WW.
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Sextillion.
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Fair pointCan we not talk about hypothetical speed scaling yet? It was already hard enough getting this accepted. It's not even officially accepted yet.
Why?I'm really uneasy about scaling anyone from the speed of the explosion.
That’s just silly. Despite something being consistent you’re calling it an assumption?Characters outpacing blast radius expansions is fine if there's a visual scene of that. But we don't really assume the expand that fast in every scene even if it's consistent for them to have said speeds.
Yes agreeThe way I see it, here are the facts.
1. We can agree they scale to the speed of the explosions from their ki blasts consistently.
2. We can agree that it is implied the explosion from The ki ball was going to engulf all U7 very quickly, likely at similar speed to the light emitted since Whis and the kais felt that was the end of the Universe, and were surprised that Beerus nullified it after the fact.
3. We agree that the blast very well could have detonated, but there are more than one interpretations on that between AKM an Zamasu.
Now of course if the blast did detonate and Beerus reacted to it then they obviously scale. However, considering the characters should scale to the speed of the explosion, regardless of if it happened or not, since we know the explosions speed scales to the characters speed, this should apply to their speed whether it detonated or not based on the facts above and a basic train of logic that says speed of explosion (realized or not) = speed of characters.
Its the same idea as applying the universe destroying power of the feat, despite the fact it never actually destroys the Universe, but we know it could. Well whether or not the blast crossed the universe or not, we know it would have in a very brief time, and we know the characters should scale to the speed of the explosion.
Don't know about likely at similar speed as the light because the speed of expansion of the explosion cannot be assumed to be the same as the light it generates. But at a speed at which everyone thought the universe will be destroyed. Could be 10 seconds or 2 minutes, it is anyone's guess.2. We can agree that it is implied the explosion from The ki ball was going to engulf all U7 very quickly, likely at similar speed to the light emitted since Whis and the kais felt that was the end of the Universe, and were surprised that Beerus nullified it after the fact.
We don't use the speed of the moon being destroyed for that feat, just the speed of Piccolo's beam reaching the moon from the earth (Which happens within roughly 3 seconds in the anime, which was deemed to be usable for the manga since the feat is blow-for-blow identical to the manga, only part we can't use from the anime yet is the destruction of the moon). So yeah, you're right, Piccolo's moonbusting beam isn't anything like the exploding universe ball or whatever it's called.In Piccolo's example, that's the actual beam of his attacks; similar to characters reacting to them throwing a grenade as oppose to it exploding. Although, need to rewatch the seen, but if the same explosion attempting to bust the universe has its expanding radius was reacted to, then the scaling is fine.
no one said they would scale to speed of the explosion , they should scale to beerus acting before the explosion reached earth .We don't use the speed of the moon being destroyed for that feat, just the speed of Piccolo's beam reaching the moon from the earth (Which happens within roughly 3 seconds in the anime, which was deemed to be usable for the manga since the feat is blow-for-blow identical to the manga, only part we can't use from the anime yet is the destruction of the moon). So yeah, you're right, Piccolo's moonbusting beam isn't anything like the exploding universe ball or whatever it's called.
I was only saying this for Piccolo's feat, not for Beerus's feat.no one said they would scale to speed of the explosion , they should scale to beerus acting before the explosion reached earth .
this is like the 3rd time we explain this