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And why did you bring it up in the first place?
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DBS speed problem
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DDM brought it up, that's why, so I clarified on the Piccolo feat. But I agree it should have nothing to do with this thread specifically.
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I mean its pretty cut and dry from what I see. The fact is
1. They scale to the speed of the explosions from their ki attacks consistently through the series as I outlined above with many examples, thus there is no logical reason to assume they don't scale to the explosion from the energy ball in BoG. If we take the feat as Beerus reacting to it then great, but even without that we know they would scale anyway based on the fact character = speed of ki attack, even the explosions in DB. AKM has even agreed to the fact that they are consistently as fast as their explosions, he is only undecided on timeframe of the destruction really.
2. We know the speed of the explosion from Beerus and Goku's ki ball was going to engulf the Universe very quickly, the kais and Whis thought the light was the end of the Universe at that moment as it engulfed it, as they were surprised and perplexed that everything was intact after it passed, due to Beerus nullifying the energy as Whis realized. Thus the speed of the light which reached the kais is likely a similar speed to the explosion. Even if you ignored that you could easily estimate a low ball like a minute or something. So we can certainly get a timeframe to.
So honestly I don't see a reason the feat shouldn't be used, the only real question is do we use the speed of the light like is implied, or a low ball estimate for immediate destruction like a minute or something along those lines. It's honestly much more concrete than an ambiguous mftl+ but with no number attached, or a severe low ball like crossing a nebula which is nowhere near their full speed and uses a lot of guess work on distance anyway.
1. They scale to the speed of the explosions from their ki attacks consistently through the series as I outlined above with many examples, thus there is no logical reason to assume they don't scale to the explosion from the energy ball in BoG. If we take the feat as Beerus reacting to it then great, but even without that we know they would scale anyway based on the fact character = speed of ki attack, even the explosions in DB. AKM has even agreed to the fact that they are consistently as fast as their explosions, he is only undecided on timeframe of the destruction really.
2. We know the speed of the explosion from Beerus and Goku's ki ball was going to engulf the Universe very quickly, the kais and Whis thought the light was the end of the Universe at that moment as it engulfed it, as they were surprised and perplexed that everything was intact after it passed, due to Beerus nullifying the energy as Whis realized. Thus the speed of the light which reached the kais is likely a similar speed to the explosion. Even if you ignored that you could easily estimate a low ball like a minute or something. So we can certainly get a timeframe to.
So honestly I don't see a reason the feat shouldn't be used, the only real question is do we use the speed of the light like is implied, or a low ball estimate for immediate destruction like a minute or something along those lines. It's honestly much more concrete than an ambiguous mftl+ but with no number attached, or a severe low ball like crossing a nebula which is nowhere near their full speed and uses a lot of guess work on distance anyway.
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Imho , 1 minute is way too much even for a low ball , especially when the energy ball was also emitting shock waves so why wouldn't it expand at the same speed ?
it also took less then 30 secs to show us the kai's wondering why they were still alive
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While I do agree that the destruction would have been almost immediate going by what was shown, it doesn't really mean the explosion's speed should be assumed to be equal to the light's. The Kais thought that the light was the end, but they didn't even know that Beerus was nullifying the real explosion. If a big light engulfs you and you know the source is a universe destroying energy, obviously you're gonna think you're dead. That doesn't prove anything about the speed of the explosion being relative to the light it generated. It's much more safer to assume a lowball in this case.
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Still assuming that it would have take minutes is too much for a lowball, either 15 or 30 seconds would make more sense.
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If anybody wants to create a blog, they can take different timeframes for lowball and highball. I don't think the assumption that it would take a minute for the universe to be destroyed is an egregious one for a lowball. But I could also see your suggested timeframe as a possible highball. I'd still be inclined to use the lowball though.
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As I said before, 10 seconds would be realistic. If we take 10 seconds with the Universe 7 being 4 times the size of our universe. It would be 12,37 quintillion xC for BOG SSG Goku.
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Fine by me
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I agree with it being realistically actually 5-10 seconds but U can do lowball like 30 seconds as well but still I do believe A Minute is too much
There could be low end mid end & high end 30,20,10 or 20,10,5 something like that I believe
There could be low end mid end & high end 30,20,10 or 20,10,5 something like that I believe
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Well, I don't mind.
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OK, I completed a blog using the currently accepted diameter of the DB Universe, and I plugged in a 10s, 30s and 1 minute timeframe. I also gave a concise explanation as to why they logically scale to the speed of the energy balls explosion, which is basically what I said here, and everybody seems to agree that they do consistently scale to the explosions from their ki attacks so it should be a welcome clarification.
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Edit: If we need to make tweaks to the blog that could be done.
Basically now we just decide if we want to use 1 minute, 30 sec or 10 sec timeframe. I'm just gonna say 30 sec is a reasonable compromise since AKM said he could see that as a reasonable point of view even if he was leaning toward a minute, while several others want 5 or 10 sec and think 1 minute is to high for a reasonable number. I think everybody would be able to accept 30 sec without feeling like it is overexaggerated or being downplayed.
BoG Universal energy ball speed feat
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Edit: If we need to make tweaks to the blog that could be done.
Basically now we just decide if we want to use 1 minute, 30 sec or 10 sec timeframe. I'm just gonna say 30 sec is a reasonable compromise since AKM said he could see that as a reasonable point of view even if he was leaning toward a minute, while several others want 5 or 10 sec and think 1 minute is to high for a reasonable number. I think everybody would be able to accept 30 sec without feeling like it is overexaggerated or being downplayed.
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Agree with SSJRyu in using the 30 seconds end, its a reasonable timeframe.
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I'm honestly all in for a lower time frame, but I don't mind the 30s time frame as well.
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I actually believe 10 seconds is more reasonable but I am fine with Ryu's 30 seconds Suggestion
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I guess 30 seconds is an ok timeframe, but this thread really need to be concluded soon
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I also go with 10 seconds. 30 seconds seems like a lowball.
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I'm on the 10 second team, but 30 seconds is fine.
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we already explained why 1 minute is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much of a low ball , so is 30 secs , but we're ready to settle for it cuz it's a reasonable compromise
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10 seconds just makes more sense IMO. But I digress, most people here seem to be fine with 30-second timeframe (and quite alot want the 10 second timeframe), should we wait for more input, or do we apply it now?
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Sure, so we need to decide on the timeframe that the universe shockwave would travel in? And whether or not the ki blast shockwaves speed scale to the characters speed?
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Actually we're no longer using the shockwaves, but the universal explosion feat created by the energy clash of Goku and Beerus.
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Can you link me to the feat?
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BoG Universal energy ball speed feat
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The current ends that most seen to agree on are either the 30 seconds or the 10 seconds.
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30 Seconds seems like a fine Mid-End to me from looking at the feat
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I think a mid end of 30 seconds seems reasonable.
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30 seconds also seems fine to me, to be honest, as a compromise.
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Noice.
Anyways, would this warrant an "At least" or no?
Anyways, would this warrant an "At least" or no?
Stefano4444
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No, because At least suggest that Beerus may be potentially on a higher tier speed.
But after Massively FTL+ there is Infinite Speed, but Beerus don't have any feats or scaling that would put him on that level.
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I... don't think that's how it works? It doesn't necessarily mean you are an ENTIRE TIER of speed ahead. It just means your speed could be higher.
Just like Ryu said, we could maybe use an "At least higher" to suggest that the timeframe could be lower.
Just like Ryu said, we could maybe use an "At least higher" to suggest that the timeframe could be lower.
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