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Goku: Should we update/add to his AP justifications?
Wow, there's a lot :^)
For starters, thisisthebasisfor Post-Jiren Goku's newfound power.
Currently, Goku is still not at 100% from his fight with Jiren. While he was much weaker than he was currently, he was able to fight with SS2 Caulifla in base. Despite his skills being what set the two apart, Goku still needed the speed and power to not be demolished by her, regardless of technique. As proof of this, he successfully used the afterimage technique on Caulifla, which is moving so fast that the user is FTE, seemingly leaving copies of him/herself.
When Goku became SS2 in Ep 113, he was still holding back, as he went all out SS2 in Ep 114. In 113, he was able to fight on parwith Caulifla and SSJ Kale, with the main problem being their coordination. In fact, Caulifla and Kale's ki blasts were stopped by SS2 Goku's kialone, while he was transforming into a SS3. Caulifla find SS3 Goku's ki to be remarkable.
In Ep 114, the feats get better. Kale goes beserk, but then shechanges. As stated by the bench warmers, Kale is in control and is no longer beserk, plusshe got drastically more powerful. Goku, still not at 100% and still not using his full power, is still able to fight with them (Caulifla basically admits she loses to him in a 1v1), with Goku putting a ki ball in Kale's stomachas a counter to her pushing him back, which gets knocked away by Kale. Goku finally uses his full SS2 power, only to be restrained by Kale, and used as a punching bag by Caulifla, though Goku eventually escapes and puts Kale on her back, then transforms into SSG.
Goku effortlessly blocksboth of their attacks. Caulifla immediately becomes a nuisance, as Goku is stomping her and swatting her away like a fly, because Kale is more of a fight. Caulifla gets triggered and sets Goku up for Kale's ki blast which she puts effort into, but this doesnothingto Goku, which shocks both of the girls. They both attempt to attack him from the sides with ki blast, but Goku almost casually bursts through their ki blasts with his own, basically incapacitating Caulifla, and visibly straining Kaleas she tries to deflect it. He was also confident that he would finish them off with a kamehameha, that is, until they fused.
Herethe kaioshiandKrillidiscuss Goku becoming a SSG, who is still recovering. Herms's summarybasically states the same.
Power Scaling
Seems pretty simple. First and foremost, Goku isn't freshat any point here, while Caulifla and Kale are. That said, base Goku is comparable to SS2 Caulifla. SS2 Goku should be higher than SS2 Caulifla, and SS3 is higher, without question. SS2 Goku is also comparable to SSJ Kale, and is on some level, comparable to Controlled LSSJ Kale. SS3 Goku should be above SSJ Kale as well.
LSSJ Kale completely ragdolled SSB Goku Pre-Jiren, and ate his KHH point blank, so this means current weakened SSG Goku > Pre-Jiren SSB Goku. An argument can be made that Kale is probably not SSB level, but considering everyone's reactions whenever she rages, I don't think that's the case.
However, given the new formulafor potara fusion, it makes no sense that Kafla is anywhere near SSG. It really makes less sense when you realize Goku's base > Kale's + Caulifla's. At the same time, considering Goku absorbed the power of SSG back in the BoG arc, we have no clue how much stronger any of the god multipliers make Goku.
With 116, SSB Goku at full power is likely <= SSJ Kefla, as Whis stated her power rivaled that of the spirit bomb, which Goku resisted to achieve UI the first time. Also with 116, Previous UI < Current.
Possible New Abilities
Reactive Evolution (At least for Caulifla and Goku)- In the tournament time, Goku has been fighting while waiting to get back to full power for a minute. I'm not sure how one recovers while doing the very thing that made them weakened, but oh well.
Caulifa quickly closing the gapbetween her and Goku's skillset. Gets strongeras she fights. Goku also becomes more powerful the more he fights.
It aligns with the saiyan physiology, with saiyans getting stronger every time they fight, and becoming even stronger after healing from a beating.
Misc
Kale Beserker name change?
Wow, there's a lot :^)
For starters, thisisthebasisfor Post-Jiren Goku's newfound power.
Currently, Goku is still not at 100% from his fight with Jiren. While he was much weaker than he was currently, he was able to fight with SS2 Caulifla in base. Despite his skills being what set the two apart, Goku still needed the speed and power to not be demolished by her, regardless of technique. As proof of this, he successfully used the afterimage technique on Caulifla, which is moving so fast that the user is FTE, seemingly leaving copies of him/herself.
When Goku became SS2 in Ep 113, he was still holding back, as he went all out SS2 in Ep 114. In 113, he was able to fight on parwith Caulifla and SSJ Kale, with the main problem being their coordination. In fact, Caulifla and Kale's ki blasts were stopped by SS2 Goku's kialone, while he was transforming into a SS3. Caulifla find SS3 Goku's ki to be remarkable.
In Ep 114, the feats get better. Kale goes beserk, but then shechanges. As stated by the bench warmers, Kale is in control and is no longer beserk, plusshe got drastically more powerful. Goku, still not at 100% and still not using his full power, is still able to fight with them (Caulifla basically admits she loses to him in a 1v1), with Goku putting a ki ball in Kale's stomachas a counter to her pushing him back, which gets knocked away by Kale. Goku finally uses his full SS2 power, only to be restrained by Kale, and used as a punching bag by Caulifla, though Goku eventually escapes and puts Kale on her back, then transforms into SSG.
Goku effortlessly blocksboth of their attacks. Caulifla immediately becomes a nuisance, as Goku is stomping her and swatting her away like a fly, because Kale is more of a fight. Caulifla gets triggered and sets Goku up for Kale's ki blast which she puts effort into, but this doesnothingto Goku, which shocks both of the girls. They both attempt to attack him from the sides with ki blast, but Goku almost casually bursts through their ki blasts with his own, basically incapacitating Caulifla, and visibly straining Kaleas she tries to deflect it. He was also confident that he would finish them off with a kamehameha, that is, until they fused.
Herethe kaioshiandKrillidiscuss Goku becoming a SSG, who is still recovering. Herms's summarybasically states the same.
Power Scaling
Seems pretty simple. First and foremost, Goku isn't freshat any point here, while Caulifla and Kale are. That said, base Goku is comparable to SS2 Caulifla. SS2 Goku should be higher than SS2 Caulifla, and SS3 is higher, without question. SS2 Goku is also comparable to SSJ Kale, and is on some level, comparable to Controlled LSSJ Kale. SS3 Goku should be above SSJ Kale as well.
LSSJ Kale completely ragdolled SSB Goku Pre-Jiren, and ate his KHH point blank, so this means current weakened SSG Goku > Pre-Jiren SSB Goku. An argument can be made that Kale is probably not SSB level, but considering everyone's reactions whenever she rages, I don't think that's the case.
However, given the new formulafor potara fusion, it makes no sense that Kafla is anywhere near SSG. It really makes less sense when you realize Goku's base > Kale's + Caulifla's. At the same time, considering Goku absorbed the power of SSG back in the BoG arc, we have no clue how much stronger any of the god multipliers make Goku.
With 116, SSB Goku at full power is likely <= SSJ Kefla, as Whis stated her power rivaled that of the spirit bomb, which Goku resisted to achieve UI the first time. Also with 116, Previous UI < Current.
Possible New Abilities
Reactive Evolution (At least for Caulifla and Goku)- In the tournament time, Goku has been fighting while waiting to get back to full power for a minute. I'm not sure how one recovers while doing the very thing that made them weakened, but oh well.
Caulifa quickly closing the gapbetween her and Goku's skillset. Gets strongeras she fights. Goku also becomes more powerful the more he fights.
It aligns with the saiyan physiology, with saiyans getting stronger every time they fight, and becoming even stronger after healing from a beating.
Misc
Kale Beserker name change?
