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Do you doubt any of their validity?
Both realities wouldn't refute the idea of Yardrat being outside of the galaxy, so it's not really relevant.
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DBS Manga: God Tier speed upgrade
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Well, in my opinion.
Across when referring to movement over a distance means 'from one end to the other' without any further context, across the road, across the river etc
I mean, if anyone has an issue with it being literal, then the burden of proof is on them to say so, if anyone thinks it's from one galaxy to another, again, burden is on them to prove so
Gas was stated to fly across the universe in a distance too far for one IT trip, if there's proof that this statement is not literal or it means he flew within a galaxy or any other assumption, they must be proven, taking the statement as it is provides the least amount of assumption. Saying "it could be this or that" is not a reason to ignore Occam razor
They didn't say across a galaxy
They didn't say across galaxies
They said across the universe
It's like a statement saying someone went across the planet earth, and then one starts saying it could mean from a city to the next in one country, or one country to the next in the same continent, and even this would pale to this particular case
Across when referring to movement over a distance means 'from one end to the other' without any further context, across the road, across the river etc
I mean, if anyone has an issue with it being literal, then the burden of proof is on them to say so, if anyone thinks it's from one galaxy to another, again, burden is on them to prove so
Gas was stated to fly across the universe in a distance too far for one IT trip, if there's proof that this statement is not literal or it means he flew within a galaxy or any other assumption, they must be proven, taking the statement as it is provides the least amount of assumption. Saying "it could be this or that" is not a reason to ignore Occam razor
They didn't say across a galaxy
They didn't say across galaxies
They said across the universe
It's like a statement saying someone went across the planet earth, and then one starts saying it could mean from a city to the next in one country, or one country to the next in the same continent, and even this would pale to this particular case
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100% agree with this
why are we not literally taking this at face value?
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Absolutely agree the burden of proof is on opposition to prove that it is not literal when it has shown to teleport to great distance remember with I.t goku can teleport to new namek which could be in the another galaxy than earth so goku resorting to use i.t many times proves the distance is huge
Or it could mean that goku didn't have a ki signature to lock on now remember goku is capable of scanning large distances in space for ki signatures which can range to multi galactic distance goku not being able to lock on vegeta's ki signature on planet cereal and had use I.t many times proves that the distance is very great and the statement flying across the universe makes sense here
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I agree with the current blue sentiment
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We know for sure its many many lightyears outside of a nebula, so I could do a quick calc on the radius of an average nebula ( and add it to what our galaxy?) or should we just use nebula size?
Also Gas didn't use IT.
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Actually, the original text reads: "そこへ、宇宙を移動していたガスがついに悟空たちに追いつきました。", or "Then, Gas, who had been traveling through space, finally caught up with Goku and friends." The particle を ("o") merely indicates "an area traversed", but to travel across, from end to end, is like 彼方 ("kanata").
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so "across the universe" are mistranslation?
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The Official Site replies upon machine translations.
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I thought "宇宙" meant "universe".
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I think we should call a member who can translate Japanese, like @Executor_N0
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It can also refer to space in general
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Largely context-based. Either way, the overall meaning of the sentence is unchanged; Gas's travel took place throughout space/the universe, as he passed through the numerous planets he and Goku teleported about towards Cereal, but nothing ever implies he traveled across the entire diameter.
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Yea, according to a translator I used, that statement either can be gas travelled through space or can also be through the universe
Unless we have a reason to think the official dragon ball site made a mistake on which interpretation it picked? I mean if either one can be used there, why not take the one on the official site at face value I keep they got it completely wrong?
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By "they" I mean whatever translated the words, if the translation on the site says universe, and universe is indeed ola correct interpretation, why bother trying to change it to something else?
Except it said they flew across, which is why it being a universe or not is the only issue worth discussing
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Guys, I'm vouching for a Galactic distance now.
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The average nebula is 8000 light-year across. Goku needed 5 ITs to teleport back so it should be 40000 light years.
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That doesn't quite work because Goku wasn't necessarily teleporting in a consistently straight line away from Planet Cereal nor was he necessarily teleportating the same distance; he was just jumping between locations where he could sense someone he was familiar with.
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The minimum of 8,000 light years is still a good enough low end as Beerus' planet is further (far further) than a simple nebula away, and Gas' Instant Transmission should still be on par with Goku's casual uses of it, yet, it was too great of a distance for him to do it in one go.
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Sure, it's better than the other suggestions from what I've seen.
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The major deciding factor in determining the minimum distance is the range of Instant Transmission—which can transport Vegeta from Planet Yardrat, which exists outside of the Galactic Patrol's jurisdiction, to Earth.
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And where is it specified or justified that the distance is universal or even galactic?
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Nice...
Lets keep that in mind, we might still be able to get a more accurate distance, I know for sure Goku's IT can go way further than that.
Alright this is a good point.
This suggests Goku's IT can travel galactic distances.
What do you guys think?
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It's not necessarily about Goku's range though. Goku states that Gas' range is inferior to his own.
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Idk why nobody is keeping this in mind but the distance could be more than galactic remember goku and vegeta are capable of sensing ki signatures from very large distances in space goku not being able to sense vegeta ki and opt to use I.t many instead of directly I.t to vegeta means that the distance is far from galactic or you could argue vegeta ki was low
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This is entirely different from what's being talked about, sure gas' teleportation is inferior, but the point is that gas had to fly a distance that was too far to travel in I.T in one jump. And gas was able to traverse that distance. Gas just wasn't able to jump back to all the different spots they had went to. And we also know goku talks about how skillful gas is with I.T and how they were using it sloppily, like the fight with granolah.
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Excuse me, but I don't see that Goku claims that Gas's range with the TI is lower than his, he simply talks about mastery when using the same profile, not exactly referring to the distance range.
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Exactly, because unlike Goku, Gas did not know the ki signatures of Jaco, Monaka, etc. but was guided by Goku's ki to follow him.
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Nope, Goku never went to Namek with TI, he did go to the new Namek.
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Oh this was just talking about mastery, and it means that it would've been inferior if not for their fight. Gas was keeping up by copying Goku and only following his Ki. Without Goku Gas wouldn't be able to do jack, he doesn't know enough Ki signatures to go that far.
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Goku would say that if that was what he meant. Your explanation does not line up with Goku's words in that page I linked.
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He literally follows up with he is using this technique for years and years meaning the mastery of the technique is in question not range since goku has better ki sensing than gas
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That doesn't contradict what I said.
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Well, but some type of rationale would be needed for why Gas's IT rank is inferior to Goku's in more than just mastery.
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Bro if the range was in question then gas wouldn't be able to follow goku in first place meaning that he was relying on goku's ki here without goku's help he has no way to I.t to cereal
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That is indeed a problem, aye.
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Dude goku is literally talking about the mastery of it in the same panel that you linked, and why does this matter? We can still calculate a distance because goku couldn't travel back to the cerealian planet in one go regardless.
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