DBS: CM for Zeno

[Braking]

Alright yall. Its tiem…..,,.,,.,,,.

Basically the purpose of this thread is to add cm to zeno the bean man.

As we all know infinite zamasu is zamasu’s Thoughts/Ideas (1:44) made manifest.

And concepts in definition are abstract ideas/thoughts.

And plus the wiki considers anyone becoming a idea and thought as abstract.

and zeno has the obvious feat of erasing zamasu easily.

so. Zeno would get CM Due to being able to erase a conceptual entity which by default gives you CM (type 2)

Agree: @LuffyRuffy46307,
Nut:
Not invited to my birthday party:

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Well, since I was part of another previous topic that updated Zamasu I agree with that.

 

[Braking]

Now we wait.

 

[StekFence]

Destruction of concepts doesn’t count for cm I’m pretty sure. It’s like, EE but with npi

 

[Braking]

Destruction of concepts doesn’t count for cm I’m pretty sure. It’s like, EE but with npi

To erase an abstract is erasing their concept. Npi is being able to interact with them.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Concepts are abstract ideas but not all abstract ideas are concepts. That's what made Infinite Zamasu go from conceptual AE to ideas/thoughts Ae.

Yes, being an idea/thought is abstract, that's why it still has AE, but it is not accepted that it is a concept.

So I disagree with giving CM 2 to Zeno for erasing Infinite Zamasu, because he didn't erase a conceptual entity, but an abstract one.

If there are any CRTs being made to put it conceptually again, let me know.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Ideas aren't concepts by our definition of concepts as abstract things that give stuff its properties.
So no.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Aside from what's already been said above, Zamasu's AE was downgraded like a week ago on the basis that he wasn't a concept.

 

[Planck69]

What qualifies as a concept in the sense of destroying it granting Conceptual Manipulation on our site isn't the same as a the dictionary definition.

Disagree.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Disagree for pretty obvious reasons.

With this logic every single living consciousness in fiction is a concept, when concept here means an idea which makes up reality, when the consciousness/idea of a single individual really isn't.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Destruction of concepts doesn’t count for cm I’m pretty sure. It’s like, EE but with npi

It does.

• Concept Destruction: The ability to destroy or remove a concept. By using the ability concepts are removed from reality. This can be wide-spread or very targeted, either erasing the concept of an overarching fundamental principle, such as space, or an individual. When destroyed at this level, nothing can be restored without using similarly powerful conceptual creation. Conventional regeneration or resurrection, no matter how powerful, would prove impossible as the very abstract concept of the character would not exist.

 

[Quantu]

Zamasu does not have Concept based AE anymore

 

[ImmortalDread]

In addition, I maintain a neutral stance as the aforementioned statement does not appear to be in alignment with the current discussion thread.

Furthermore, I would like to inquire if the sources in question are verbatim or if the phrase “thoughts” scan should be interpreted metaphorically as it appears unclear to me.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Furthermore, I would like to inquire if the sources in question are verbatim or if the phrase “thoughts” scan should be interpreted metaphorically as it appears unclear to me.

You need to call @Nullflowerblush given they're the ones who were against Zamasu getting any kind of AE, conceptual or not.

Tho I really don't care if Zamasu gets AE or not here, as long as it's not conceptual lmao.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

In addition, I maintain a neutral stance as the aforementioned statement does not appear to be in alignment with the current discussion thread.

Furthermore, I would like to inquire if the sources in question are verbatim or if the phrase “thoughts” scan should be interpreted metaphorically as it appears unclear to me.

@Vietthai96 , he has the official translation, he says exactly the context and why Zamasu get conceptual AE type 1, he updated it when I made my CRT

 

[StrymULTRA]

"official translation"

We use literal translations over those, there's no "official" here.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with DontTalkDT

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah no, ideas are merely the fundamental parts that make up the bigger underlying concepts. Disagree with this.

 

[Deceived3596]

Disagree FRA

 

[Braking]

Yall can close this. It was a good try.

I or we already have another card to play

 

[KLOL506]

@Planck69 You can close it now.

 

[Planck69]

OP couldn't beat Goku. Sad.