DBH Demon Realm shenanigans

[Dagoth_OwO]

Since Daima is all about the Demon Realm, I thought it'd be fitting to take a peek at the game version of the Demon Realm considering how vastly different it is compared to its Daima version in practically every aspect

Here's the sandbox I made for it. If accepted, mostly it would just grant more NPI evidence for people affecting it but ig it's something at least

Agree: Killerdrone123, Hasty12345, DarkDragonMedeus, LephyrTheRevanchist, Vietthai96, UltimateMoment, ProfectusInfinity, RenderGK, AwkguyDB, GarrixianXD, CelestialVortex01
Neutral: Eseseso (Neutral on NEP, rest is fine)
Disagree: Sebas-S.P-san (all except type 4 acausality)

 

[Killerdrone123]

Looks fine I agree

 

[Hasty12345]

Looks good, I disagree with a possibly rating on the type 2 conceptual NEP it should be a flat rating.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[Vietthai96]

Looks good, I disagree with a possibly rating on the type 2 conceptual NEP it should be a flat rating.

updated, bruhh

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

We do already accept the lack of concepts of time and space for the Subspace as full Type 2, as seen on Zen'os profile, so having that as part of the nonexistence justification is fine. Nonexistent even compared to nonexistence is wild

I also think everything else is fine, from what I can gather.

 

[UltimateMoment]

I think this is fine, so agree.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Looking great!

 

[Rutæhh]

agree.

i also like to ask what would happen if new information contradicted this? since DBH is a melting pot for the entire db franchise

 

[CelestialVortex01]

Good job!

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

i also like to ask what would happen if new information contradicted this? since DBH is a melting pot for the entire db franchise

Well DBH is over unfortunately so kinda hard to do that for the moment. Daima might take a completely different route for the Demon Realm (already has tbh) so scaling it to the DBH version is borderline impossible. The evidence in DBH would take priority for the DBH Demon Realm

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

Agree with Acausality type 4, in the rest, in total disagreement, and even more with BDE1, they even contradict with your own scan.

 

[Eseseso]

Seems fine based on Lephyr's support.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Seems fine based on Lephyr's support.

Tbf, I can be wrong

 

[Eseseso]

I'm actually switching to neutral on the NEP stuff, rest is fine.

 

[RenderGK]

Looks fine

 

[GarrixianXD]

Where exactly is NEP Nature Type 2, Aspect 2; Type 1 Nonduality above existence and non-existence precisely from? Kinda struggling to see that.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Where exactly is NEP Nature Type 2, Aspect 2; Type 1 Nonduality above existence and non-existence precisely from? Kinda struggling to see that.

Because they are non-existent to even a (currently accepted) non-existent realm that is still tied to what DBH considers Time to be, yet the demon realm isn't.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Should be fine then if its already been accepted as a non-existent realm that is already governed under time, though I don't really have a strong opinion about it.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Pretty much my thoughts too, yeah

 

[AwkguyDB]

agreed fra

 

[Shar122]

This is good I think

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

Should be fine then if its already been accepted as a non-existent realm that is already governed under time, though I don't really have a strong opinion about it.

Pretty much my thoughts too, yeah

So... should it be considered neutral since it is not an agreement in itself?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

We do already accept the lack of concepts of time and space for the Subspace as full Type 2, as seen on Zen'os profile, so having that as part of the nonexistence justification is fine. Nonexistent even compared to nonexistence is wild

I also think everything else is fine, from what I can gather.

???

 

[GarrixianXD]

So... should it be considered neutral since it is not an agreement in itself?

Not having a strong opinion is still considered an agreement.

 

[Braking]

I agree due to the arguements presented in op’s post.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Neutral on the NEP type 2 (and by extension, Nonduality), really not knowledgeable on what qualifies for it, and whether just encompassing things that also contain nonexistence is enough, so idk.

Everything else seems fine.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

So that's it? We finally got Daima noncanon? Thank god.

Agree with everything btw.

 

[Huesito88]

We finally got Daima noncanon?

Uhhhhh....

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Uhhhhh....

Shhhh

 

[Shar122]

Bump

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

Well, since I have not explained my disagreements I will mention them one by one.
The first for now is the BDE1

The scan argument

According to the scans presented for demosrar Beyond-Dimensional Existence is a space beyond time, something that has nothing to do with this, according to the page itself.

Type 1: Characters who lack spatiotemporal features entirely, while not actually being superior to them in nature. They are simply ontologically different from any dimensional construct, but can ultimately still be comparable to dimension-bound entities in terms of raw power. Due to being aspatial and atemporal, they are obviously immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation, and since they are not part of the spacetime continuum, they usually have Acausality (Type 1)

This is one of my main disagreements, I will soon tell the others, I am a bit busy.