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It all seems fine to me. So you can count my vote in, though I wonder what ultima would say.
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Cookie Run 1-A - Realm of Apathy
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this is for Reality-Fiction Transcendence which you have not proved .
and you using this void of nothingness which is aspatial in a sense it is vaster in comparison than all dimensional structures which you have not proven ,it is not said to be aspatial and encompasses everything in the verse itself that is a dimensional structure and this 'everything, all' does not matter they need to state what it is transcending we don't just assume stuff here,like transcerd "all" possible dimensions would be 1A statement.
put me in disagree
| A 1-A character or realm, on the other hand, fundamentally surpasses lower states of existence, with their sheer superiority not being expressible as the sum, union or permutation of anything in these lesser states. They, in other words, transcend lower existences to the point that those vanish into nothingness.[note 3] |
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You seem to misunderstand. Justification for 1-A is the void of nothingness.
There are usually anti-feats that can disqualify this type of realm from being 1-A but here there are no such anti-feats because the conditions to access it are already set and no one has yet done otherwise. The Realm is free of the cycle, unshackled by everything, and above all. In a state where one looses even their self-identity and is free from all restrictions[and transcends everything]. It meets requirement for a Void of Nothing and other things.
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nope
antifeats are not the problem it just lacks this to be a qualitative jump
| voids of nothingness that lack space, time and physicality entirely, but are nonetheless "vaster" than physical reality in some way, with common imagery being the universe as a small object encompassed in such a backdrop. |
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Nirvana, blah, blah, qualitative transcendence, blah blah, Nothingness. It meets requirements for being a void of nothingness among other things, the fact it exists above all makes the case less complex. It speaks of a state of nothingness akin to Nirvana, the idea of escaping the Samsara cycle of reincarnation, reinforced by repeated descriptions of this state lacking existence and other such things.
According to our tiering system, transcendence over space and time as the highest point of existence, and topping everything else below it, indeed qualifies for 1-A. Especially since the description mentioned abstract concepts and all meanings being irrelevant, and the realm itself is nothingness with the addition to be expressed to transcend space and time. It's independent of reality and a state of emptiness in a world of pure nothingness.
Also, I'm pretty sure I provided evidence for the qualitative jump, no?
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Here is a character with a statement of transcending all, everything statement. so it does not matter
Arceus Avatar Tiering Issue Solution?
Long story short Arceus is confirmed to have an avatar which is lesser than it's true form. Probably is that even for a character that appears very little it still appears enough that it's hard to pin down how strong it is exactly. However I have a solution born from my knowledge of most Pokemon...
Nope, it only applies to the statements that directly say transcending the very concept of space and time and the other one is viewing spacetime as fiction
nope this is just a normal void where everything is nothingness
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These type of statements differ based on context or intent.Here is a character with a statement of transcending all, everything statement. so it does not matter
Arceus Avatar Tiering Issue Solution?
Long story short Arceus is confirmed to have an avatar which is lesser than it's true form. Probably is that even for a character that appears very little it still appears enough that it's hard to pin down how strong it is exactly. However I have a solution born from my knowledge of most Pokemon...vsbattles.com
Sigh. I explained, it's free from the perpetual cycle and of limitation, above time and space, as the highest point of existence, world where nothing exists. Transcending all, and viewing it as "smaller", this is proven by everything that's said about the Realm of Apathy. It's free from the limitations of the mind & body; time & space, its vaster than reality - it's also independent from reality.
"Vaster" is not the only way to attain it; in general, you just need something that indicates superiority over space and time. Which I provided.
Did you read the passage? It is pure nothingness. I don't know where you got the idea it's a normal void where everything is nothingness. It's also mentioned to be a world where nothing exists, which you can find mentioned on the thread.
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Hmm, tbh i don't have much free time to look into the scans, but since you asked me to help so i will roughly evaluate from the description you described in OP first, well, i do see some legit points for 1-A assume there is no weird anti-feats i'm not aware of
So i'm neutral leaning toward agree, need to wait for Ultima though, only he can decide the matter
So i'm neutral leaning toward agree, need to wait for Ultima though, only he can decide the matter
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Does not mean much that "free all restrictions" , just like Ultima kept saying to other verses.
You are just assuming that. I did not see a statement like that. Even so, it is does not sufficient and would still be BDE 1.
This just means it is at the top since existence here is spacetime, it would still mean it is within spacetime.
vague transcerd
that is not Reality-Fiction ,it is quantitative superiority
would still be BDE 1
not in a way that matters.
again it does not matter
i know all the ways to get 1A.
that is the problem why it is not 1A.
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Read the thread again. It's a Nirvana-like paradise.
She stated herself to be above time, which you can see is provided in the scans. She's above space because the realm itself is nothingness, which means something spatio-temporal cannot be applied, and given that she's above reality rather than inferior, it's 1-A.
One cannot lack space on a 4-D level yet be 5-D or higher-Dimensional, if something lacks space, it by absolute necessity lacks all extensions of space of that reality level unless stated otherwise in-verse.
That can also simply be achieved by being "nothingness", since nothingness/void by default lacks space and time under the standards of its very definition page.
The Realm is cut off from reality, above time, erases all of space-time, you get the point. It's not bounded by space-time.
Transcendence in Context of Buddhism and Enlightenment.
You're still not getting the point. Read my above replies, I will not continue reexplaining myself.
Yes.. it would matter. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't. I will not respond to arguments saying these type of things with no justification as to why you came to such a conclusion.
Why?
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Because a 1A void is not just a void where nothing exists;A 1A void is the container for all dimensional structures.
and good luck waiting for ultima can be torture if you this excited
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1. You still don't get the point, I explained this, but oh well.
2. I don't mind waiting. I'm not "excited" because I know I'm right.
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I can see merit in this topic now. But I still have a few doubts about this; the realm of apathy is mentioned to be a void of absolute emptiness but it is still said to be the roof of the world. Iirc, qualitative superiority and our 1-A standards require that void to be completely disconnected by space and time, to the point that the space-times they qualitatively transcend are completely reduced to the cardinality of an empty set. I can agree that the World of Apathy is a void of nothingness now, but I think the transcendence part should be taken into question here; as for all of the Nirvana and needing to transcend, give up all worldly ideals and desires part, it rather refers to the inhabitants of the Universe needs to reach a nondual state of being in order to access the Realm of Apathy, but not the quality of the Realm of Apathy itself. The statement of the Realm of Apathy being disconnected from reality can merely mean that it is not connected to reality, but it doesn't guarantee it doesn't have connections to the entire concept of space-time, since it was said to be the roof of the world.
So yeah... overall my stance still hasn't really changed much. Sorry.
I also have been shown certain scans off-site, such as this being Mystic Flour Cookie being defeated? Though, I don't explicitly have any knowledge on the verse itself so I won't judge based on this alone. @Ailamiona @The_Pink_God I've seen you two done Cookie Run CRTs before and are responsible for the current rating of the Cookie Run verse, perhaps you guys can help out here.
@Ultima_Reality Seems like several staff are waiting for your input here.
So yeah... overall my stance still hasn't really changed much. Sorry.
I also have been shown certain scans off-site, such as this being Mystic Flour Cookie being defeated? Though, I don't explicitly have any knowledge on the verse itself so I won't judge based on this alone. @Ailamiona @The_Pink_God I've seen you two done Cookie Run CRTs before and are responsible for the current rating of the Cookie Run verse, perhaps you guys can help out here.
@Ultima_Reality Seems like several staff are waiting for your input here.
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I'll start off by responding to this - no, she wasn't defeated, in fact she was never harmed once during the entire fight. She merely retreated after Dark Cacao Cookie retrieved the Light of Resolution - which hampered her plan of all returning to flour. Post-Retreat, she's been meditating in the Realm of Apathy.
She's beyond time already. Given her realm is pure nothingness - a world where nothing exists - meaning something spatio-temporal cannot be applied. I've provided a butt load of evidence like the "unshackled by everything" and "transcended all" statements. The roof of the world is in correspondence of the Formless Realms of Buddha being the highest point of existence (what her Realm is based of off), the reason this would imply all of existence rather than one world, is because the realm is a completely different world, free from mundane reality, and the fact transcendence is needed to attain it. Given that it's disconnected from reality and there's several scans reinforcing it's above the lower reality - I think 1-A is applicable. (Also the fact her realm is a Nirvana-like Paradise, free from the cycle and all wordly desire and self-identity, this alone has potential for 1-A)
Edit: You're listed as disagree, thank you for pinging Ultima.
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It seems this place is still alive,I’ll drop by from time to time
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Yeah, this seems fine. It's just a very funny and rudimentary view of Buddhism.
The Mystic Flour Cookie seems to be modelled on Guanshiyin (觀世音) and overall, the ingredients (lol) are fine for 1-A.
I wouldn't say anything more than what's said overtly should be used however. Ala no inference to Buddhism should give them the abilities in certain sects of Buddhism like what... someone else tried to do.
The Mystic Flour Cookie seems to be modelled on Guanshiyin (觀世音) and overall, the ingredients (lol) are fine for 1-A.
I wouldn't say anything more than what's said overtly should be used however. Ala no inference to Buddhism should give them the abilities in certain sects of Buddhism like what... someone else tried to do.
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Udlmaster iirc is someone who has had a good sense of judgement when it came to 1-A stuff.
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So, can I count your vote as agree? (This message serves as a Bump)
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Hey thanks, I appreciate that.
(Oops, I misread the quote and thought they were quoting me)
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I suppose I am leaning towards agree at least. Though think most prefer to wait for Ultima Reality.
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Considering you have shown me other evidence and arguments in DMs, I haven't had the time to look at it. Feel free to put me on neutral for now.
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Sure, I'll move you to neutral. I thought you disagreed, no?
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I did but now I changed my stance.
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With my experience, 1-A is a big tier, so i think we need one more staff to solidify the votes, you can ask DDM or Elizhaa to see if you can applies this with 3 votes, if they agree then it is fine to applies
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DDM is the one who said that he prefers to wait for Ultima, but if he's fine with moving on with the CRT then you're free to apply.
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Alright, I’ll be banned from Wiki for two weeks, but before I go, congratulations, my friend! I look forward to seeing more of your success!
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DDM did say he's leaning towards agree
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After reading other scans the OP sent me in DMs, I think this should be fine.
@Ar1216789 I suppose you can put a few on them on the OP.
@Ar1216789 I suppose you can put a few on them on the OP.
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Hello, Garrixian, I've added you to the agree section, what scans do you want me to add on the OP?
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I was just suggesting. It's up to you to add the scans, I suppose whatever you think is the most appealing.
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