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DB Toei - About Buuhan's Tier 2 rating

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omegabronic said:
He is not affecting them directly with his power, he is affecting the barrier that separates them


Which can be done even if they have L2-C durability easy enough
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I don’t get your point.

He is destroying multiple barriers, plural, and Dende says other dimensions, plural, will rush through. He is affecting multiple universal barriers. 2-C.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
I don’t get your point.

He is destroying multiple barriers, plural, and Dende says other dimensions, plural, will rush through. He is affecting multiple universal barriers. 2-C.
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Literally what I just said. There's no difference between destroying the barriers and destroying the space-times directly. It'd be of the same potency.
 
As KLOL said, and what I was trying to say myself, the barriers have to be strong enough to keep the other realities from rushing through. Affecting multiple of them would be no different than affecting multiple space-times, which would result in 2-C. So the low-end wouldn't be Low 2-C, but 2-C. It'd just be whether or not someone decides to do a "Possibly 2-C" or "Likely 2-C" instead.
 
KLOL506 said:
Literally what I just said. There's no difference between destroying the barriers and destroying the space-times directly. It'd be of the same potency.
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So dimensional barriers/barrier is kind of separating all dimensions of DB (like a spacetime separating such planes or universes), kinda DB has several quotes of dimensional barriers or barriers separating a different spacetime.

As is the case with the dimension of light, where Gogeta and Broly distort space-time to enter the dimension and there is a barrier being cited.
 
Aren't there any anti feats or showings later on (Kid Buu saga and whole GT) that make this an outlier or is this 100% legit to scale to everyone stronger than Buuhan?
 
omegabronic said:
He is not affecting them directly with his power, he is affecting the barrier that separates them
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Even if you were to disregard the points above... Yeah, he is. I've already explained it in the OP: When Dende talks about how Super Buu broke through the wall between dimensions, we are shown a flashback of him tearing a hole in the RoSaT's fabric, which was also a hole in the normal universe's fabric, and when he is going haywire against Vegito, the dimensional walls breaking down is also depicted as the space of the universe being tore open. Therefore the "dimensional wall" here isn't some nebulous barrier between realms, it's the fabric of spacetime. Think of the wall-room analogy I've made.

So what Buuhan is doing is basically just dissolving the fabric of the spacetime of multiple universes so they become one universe and smash into each other. That's a pretty blatant 2-C feat.
 
Just a question: if there was no statements of the universes rushing/crushing each other without these barriers holding them, what tier these barriers would be?
 
godofice said:
Nice so GT Goku and DBS goku can fight without a stomp
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Lemme get a GT scale up:

3-universes 2-C = Super Buu << Buuhan < Kid Buu

Kid Buu < Rilldo < Baby < Base Goten = 50x this 2-C

SSJ Goten < Base Gohan = 2500x this 2-C

SSJ Gohan < Base Goku = 125,000x this 2-C

So SSJ GT Goku at the start of GT is 6,250,000x this 2-C, and his SSJ4 in both GT keys is vastly superior BUT to an unknown extent.

So oof, still short of DBS in the Future Trunks Arc.
 
Eseseso said:
Lemme get a GT scale up:

3-universes 2-C = Super Buu << Buuhan < Kid Buu

Kid Buu < Rilldo < Baby < Base Goten = 50x this 2-C

SSJ Goten < Base Gohan = 2500x this 2-C

SSJ Gohan < Base Goku = 125,000x this 2-C

So SSJ GT Goku at the start of GT is 6,250,000x this 2-C, and his SSJ4 in both GT keys is vastly superior BUT to an unknown extent.

So oof, still short of DBS in the Future Trunks Arc.
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Unfortunately they'd still be stuck within 3 space-times compared to downscaling from 6 space-times for Beerus and co.
 
KLOL506 said:
downscaling from 6 space-times for Beerus and co.
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fetchimage
 
Eseseso said:
Lemme get a GT scale up:

3-universes 2-C = Super Buu << Buuhan < Kid Buu

Kid Buu < Rilldo < Baby < Base Goten = 50x this 2-C

SSJ Goten < Base Gohan = 2500x this 2-C

SSJ Gohan < Base Goku = 125,000x this 2-C

So SSJ GT Goku at the start of GT is 6,250,000x this 2-C, and his SSJ4 in both GT keys is vastly superior BUT to an unknown extent.

So oof, still short of DBS in the Future Trunks Arc.
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Actually Gohan is regarded as having continuously trained from Kid Buu Arc to GT Goku to the point his Potential form became his base form. So the multipliers would actually get way more insane than that. Especially with Shadow Dragon Arc (which there is something quite a few people missed regarding his encounter with one of the Dragons that'd skyrocket the scaling)

But that is definitively derail and we can discuss it in the DB Discussion Thread.
 
Omegas03 said:
Aren't there any anti feats or showings later on (Kid Buu saga and whole GT) that make this an outlier or is this 100% legit to scale to everyone stronger than Buuhan?
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Well, one scaling thing that is questionable is how Super Buu by just absorbing Piccolo, Goten, Trunks and Gohan can go from screaming a tiny hole in the dimensions to screaming the entire Universe down - but it's still what happened in the anime.

We'd just have to look past that bit.
 
We could probably scale Baby and Goten to x50 Kid Buu due to Meta-Rilldo forcing BoGT Goku into using SSJ and even SSJ2
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
BTW The amount of potential buff this gives GT Pan is ludicrous. Because she literally never trained and was still GT Goku's equal base to base even during the Shadow Dragons Arc.
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Consistent with generations long in the future somehow having Super Saiyan despite Pan not having it due to being a quarter-Saiyan
 
Eseseso said:
Lemme get a GT scale up:

3-universes 2-C = Super Buu << Buuhan < Kid Buu

Kid Buu < Rilldo < Baby < Base Goten = 50x this 2-C

SSJ Goten < Base Gohan = 2500x this 2-C

SSJ Gohan < Base Goku = 125,000x this 2-C

So SSJ GT Goku at the start of GT is 6,250,000x this 2-C, and his SSJ4 in both GT keys is vastly superior BUT to an unknown extent.

So oof, still short of DBS in the Future Trunks Arc.
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he scales far above that in base post karma ball
 
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