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Firstly he isn't dead he is just with mundus and secondly pluto himself says that dante wasn't capable of saving him clearly referring to the events of dmc3
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Damn you PoC! (Devil May Cry Revisions)
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Vietthai96
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i know all that but why the hell there is so many reply, don't attack me like that @.@
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Oh yea and thirdly he is just a DLC so
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Vietthai96
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He is with Mundus after DMC3, trap with the King and then turned into Nelo Angelo and fought Dante in DMC1
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It has begun
As i said, never in my life i would see a tier 1 DMC
But overall i'm neutral on that one, everything else seems fine
As i said, never in my life i would see a tier 1 DMC
But overall i'm neutral on that one, everything else seems fine
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Yea pretty much
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No, I mean, about Pluto stating it.
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Guys you are derailling.
This isn't the time to discuss Motivation Boi and game story.
This isn't the time to discuss Motivation Boi and game story.
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Aight, if you find it later you can give it to me in my DMs later on the forum.
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Aight
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I’ll comment here when I get the free time, currently swamped with school work.
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i'm going to address some of my point on this way later, cuz need to go sleep and work after
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Holy ******* shit what
******* mobile games striking again.
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It taking place between dmc 3 and 1 is precisely why it being canon makes no sense, as some of these enemies here that were encountered for the first time later in the timeline, are still here somehow, despite not running into them until later on. And even on those websites, it only seems to be called official in the sense that it's ip licensed, not a canon story or anything, that's even how the dev's described it, and again, official=/=canon, unless like, Xenoverse is canon to DBZ for instance
Capcom supervising the story isn't really said like, anywhere either, there's just mentions of them having a quality standard that they checked the game for
The game not affecting the main timeline much doesn't prove its canon either
And it being called a sequel is like ??? Why do you assume they meant chronological and not just sequel as in another game
Anyway the evidence for the stats seems fine, but if that's all the proof there is for it being canon that a yikes. Since it's already accepted as canon and I'm too lazy to make a thread on it being canon, and the stuff from the game seems fine for the upgrades at a glance, I'll agree
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Dude, did you not check the statements I and Deadguy showed there?
Dante explicitly refers to having fought those enemies before, especially in the case of Cerberus and Nevan.
Also enemies like the Magma Spider, Griffon and Shadow in PoC have no proof being the same exact ones as in DMC1, heck, they don't even look the same as in DMC1.
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Yea they have many statements of him facing them before it heck even pluto himself mentioned about vergil getting trapped in the demon realm clearly referring to the dmc3 and the lava spider and griffon are clearly not the ones from dmc1 because 1, they can't talk unlike the ones from dmc1 and 2, they are clearly just part of their species which is again not new and it's canon as it's introduced in dmc5 already
But let's stop talking about this because this isn't the topic here and it only derails nothing more
But let's stop talking about this because this isn't the topic here and it only derails nothing more
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Since this reaches territory I'm not familiar with (Tier 1) I won't be debating so don't bother messaging me about commenting on this. Good day.
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Understandable this kinda of topics can a little bit sensitive at times
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Agreed.
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DMC 2 novel wants to have word with you
Sorry I know we shouldn't derail this thread any longer but I couldn't resist
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Yeah, based on what I've been shown, 1-C seems mostly fine. Do note that I am ambivalent towards whether or not this statement is canon, though, since I don't know DMC.
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regarding the stuff about canonicity. if you don't agree with it. then please do so on another thread, because PoC has been accepted as canon for a long time now. and some of the abilities & feats we have on the profiles come from there. so the stuff on this thread isn't the only thing affected by such a change.
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Shhhhhhhhh, you don't wanna awaken the true power of Tony and Glass.
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who?
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You'll see when they arrive.
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explain
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I am in definite agreement on this being Tier 1C worthy.
Put me as tentatively agree only because canonicity is not yet fully solidified.
To summarize, the Pro canonicity arguments are:
-Referred to as official a few times (which tbf simply means its licensed, as any IP would be to an outside party).
-Said to take place between DMC3 - DMC1.
-Referred to as an 'orthodox sequel' a couple of times via translation. (Though that sounds nice it arguably just refers to the gameplay still being
true to the DMC series as it is still a stylish Hack N' Slash and not some turn based GACHA game like you'd expect for mobile.)
-Phantom and Griffon seem like they are different from the DMC1 versions so likely not a contradiction to fight them just after DMC3.
-Cerberus is explicitly stated to be a different one so its not a contradiction.
The points that don't help the canonicity argument however:
-Never outright stated as canon by Capcom or Nebulajoy.
-Fighting Nevan again. No explanation is given for why Dante would be fighting her again when she already submitted and became a devil arm for him.
It's only acknowledged by him that he gets to beat her twice but no follow through on why that is. Maybe Nevan is a species of demon instead of an individual
one, or maybe she got loose from him somehow, but no explanation given thus far.
-The reveal trailer shows Dante, Lady, and Vergil facing off against Mundus. Obviously the trailer isn't indicative of how the story will play out but Mundus is definitely heavily hinted to end up in this game. Dante fighting Mundus in what seems to be mere days after the DMC3 ending would be a wild departure/retcon.
-When asked on twitter about the game's canonicity, Matt Walker was very cagey in his response and said he wasn't sure he was allowed to comment on what he knows. Which is a bit odd if the game is simply canon...not sure why the hesitation?
If I had to guess on the last point, my guess is the game's canonicity is still up in air. It is supposedly underperforming in China and the story mode is not yet finished. So Capcom might distance themselves from the game depending on how things shake out.
Still, for now I think we should treat this as canon, albeit shaky grounds. I hope someone can get Itsuno to confirm outright that its canon to put any questions to rest.
Put me as tentatively agree only because canonicity is not yet fully solidified.
To summarize, the Pro canonicity arguments are:
-Referred to as official a few times (which tbf simply means its licensed, as any IP would be to an outside party).
-Said to take place between DMC3 - DMC1.
-Referred to as an 'orthodox sequel' a couple of times via translation. (Though that sounds nice it arguably just refers to the gameplay still being
true to the DMC series as it is still a stylish Hack N' Slash and not some turn based GACHA game like you'd expect for mobile.)
-Phantom and Griffon seem like they are different from the DMC1 versions so likely not a contradiction to fight them just after DMC3.
-Cerberus is explicitly stated to be a different one so its not a contradiction.
The points that don't help the canonicity argument however:
-Never outright stated as canon by Capcom or Nebulajoy.
-Fighting Nevan again. No explanation is given for why Dante would be fighting her again when she already submitted and became a devil arm for him.
It's only acknowledged by him that he gets to beat her twice but no follow through on why that is. Maybe Nevan is a species of demon instead of an individual
one, or maybe she got loose from him somehow, but no explanation given thus far.
-The reveal trailer shows Dante, Lady, and Vergil facing off against Mundus. Obviously the trailer isn't indicative of how the story will play out but Mundus is definitely heavily hinted to end up in this game. Dante fighting Mundus in what seems to be mere days after the DMC3 ending would be a wild departure/retcon.
-When asked on twitter about the game's canonicity, Matt Walker was very cagey in his response and said he wasn't sure he was allowed to comment on what he knows. Which is a bit odd if the game is simply canon...not sure why the hesitation?
If I had to guess on the last point, my guess is the game's canonicity is still up in air. It is supposedly underperforming in China and the story mode is not yet finished. So Capcom might distance themselves from the game depending on how things shake out.
Still, for now I think we should treat this as canon, albeit shaky grounds. I hope someone can get Itsuno to confirm outright that its canon to put any questions to rest.
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Sol Badguy we coming for you boy, anyway yeah am on board with this stuff
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I just I wanna address some points
Well yes it's was never stated how she broke free but that's doesn't contradicts it especially because dante and lady acknowledge that and so it's possibly that pluto have a hand with this after all he's the one who planned for all those events
for the trailers are you serious?these were just baits nothing more because it was made clear that it takes place after dmc3 and in the same trailer dante sword rebellion is unawakened state but when you start the game you you can clearly see it's awakened so yea this just supports it more that those trailers are just traps
As for for matt Walker we don't even know if he helped in the development of this game to begin with
Well yes it's was never stated how she broke free but that's doesn't contradicts it especially because dante and lady acknowledge that and so it's possibly that pluto have a hand with this after all he's the one who planned for all those events
for the trailers are you serious?these were just baits nothing more because it was made clear that it takes place after dmc3 and in the same trailer dante sword rebellion is unawakened state but when you start the game you you can clearly see it's awakened so yea this just supports it more that those trailers are just traps
As for for matt Walker we don't even know if he helped in the development of this game to begin with
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I said the trailer is not to be taken literally. Read.
But if Mundus is a boss fight in a post DMC3 game like he is hinted to be, then its going to be a huge problem unless its explained, or outright said to be a retcon. It would be naive to think he isn't going to feature in the game in some form when they advertised him so prominently.
Doesn't matter, he is a producer at Capcom and he should have the autonomy to say if something is canon if it is. Just like how he confirmed that DMC2 was retconned to take place before DMC4.
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Vergil also appeared in the trailer yet he isn't part of the storyline so don't get your concerns up
And matt is just the producer of one dmc game and doesn't know things outside of it and when he was asked if the novels are canon or not he answered that's it's canon but only because itsuno told him so meaning he he had no idea that's it's actually canon so until it get confirmed that he had some hand of the development of the game we aren't gonna take his statements even his answer is shaky proofing more that he didn't really helped in the development
And matt is just the producer of one dmc game and doesn't know things outside of it and when he was asked if the novels are canon or not he answered that's it's canon but only because itsuno told him so meaning he he had no idea that's it's actually canon so until it get confirmed that he had some hand of the development of the game we aren't gonna take his statements even his answer is shaky proofing more that he didn't really helped in the development
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Also one more thing about nevan thing apparently demons can go to their original form as it's confirmed by balrog a demon who submitted himself as dante devil arm but he said that he will get stronger and will come back for a rematch with dante meaning devil arms can go to their original form but the reason why most of them don't do that is because they don't want to get their ass whooped again by their owner
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my friend. all games are underperforming in china. for obvious reasons if you've kept up with the news lately
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