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D&D Adventurer WIP Blog Pt. III

yeah Aumvor is my pudgy lad, plus he's at the center of fashion, just look at those tasteful nipple clamps.

also holy **** 5e Lich is way stronger, 3.5e's Lich template is like CR of base creature +3 (granted, in this version, a Demilich is the stronger one)
 
Nipple clamps are always in fashion.

Yeah, 5e boosted the generic Lich way past some of its past iterations. I think that's at least partially due to the fact it seems to run on the assumption of "if they're any sort of Lich worth their salt that's survived long enough to fight your party, they're most certainly a ridiculously powerful spellcaster who can **** you up four dozen ways to Sunday if you don't watch yourself".

They even made it so that if you suck too hard to become a Lich, you might become a Boneclaw instead, who are still pretty damn powerful undead in their own right (CR 12).
 
just barely banished from the glorious realms of Low 7-B scaling, rest in peace
 
2e sorta had the "To weak to become a Lich" thing, but the name of the monster currently escapes me. Although 2e went HAM with Lich varients. Iirc there were even Elemental Lichs and stuff.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Iirc there were even Elemental Lichs and stuff.
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Fire Lich.

In order to sustain your immortality, you must feed clean-burning propane to your phylactery, which happens to be a propane accessory.
 
Found it. The monster was called an Arch-Shadow which is just a worse Lich. Hilariously enough the Arch-Shadow even has its own budget Demilich form.
 
Looking at Elminster's stuff.

Are we sure we shouldn't just hand him 6-B scaling to Epic Levels? Man's got a challenge rating of 39 in 3rd edition and is level 35 throughout his 5 different classes, was 29th in 2e and 26th in 1e. In 4e he was only level 19 but 4e sucks.

Not to mention he's literally listed in the Epic Level Handbook. As like. The first guy.
 
Hmm. I'm fine with rating him and Mordenkainen at 6-B. As a note though, I don't think we should rate Mordenkainen any higher than 6-B, since to my memory, him and the rest of his friends were stomped pretty hard by a Demigod Vecna who's currently rated at High 6-A
 
Fair. IIRC they could fight Iuz as well, but they got beat up by him, too. The Circle of Eight or whatever they're called have a very clear AP ceiling.
 
Elminster could likely just scale to the Epic stuff, to be honest.

Also I don't know what we should do with Mordenkainen. I was checking the wiki and apparently 3e and 5e differ heavily on just how strong he should be. In 3e, he was CR 27 (which seems fitting and would place him well within that "At least Island level+" level, possibly up to Country level), but 5e doesn't seem to have given him his own original stat block and just has you use the Archmage, I think. The issue is that your generic archmage is only CR 12.

However, I think we can rectify this with the fact that the Archmage is still an 18th level spellcaster despite its CR, so I'd feel fine keeping Mordenkainen with the "At least 6-C" and maybe giving him a "possibly 6-B" or something.
 
27 is easily in 6-B stuff. At 21 is feasibly where you're Epic Level, but it's sorta too close to tell.

I'd rather put him at 6-B, since we're in the habit of being composite unless there's a reason not to (Imix having two keys since one is his Aspect from Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil rather than his true form, for example)
 
Should anyone who has CR 21+ be "At least 6-C, possibly 6-B" or something to that extent, then? I'm just not sure because 5e lacks distinct "Epic" levels, but does still give you monsters who are of a CR above a level it's possible to reach.
 
Well 6-B was performed by an Epic level, supported by a Low 6-B Epic level feat (Llymic and Zargon respectively)

6-C was pretty not-epic-level-encounter, with all Princes being CR 20 or under

So nah, I think anything over 21 is safely 6-B
 
well shit
 
Yeah, noted, just about to finish Elminster's 6-B stuff alongside other minor updates (Intelligence and Lifting Strength, mainly)
 
All good chief. I'm likely soon for sleep in a couple hours, too.
 
Damn, Vecna shoulda just fallen back on that one in Die Vecna Die!. Seems a lot safer (and apparently has a greater chance of actually giving him what he wants) than "let's try to nuke the multiverse and see what happens".
 
Plan A: Finesse all of Oerth's divine powers and take over that section of the multiverse

Plan B: If Plan A fails trick the powers of Ravenloft to absorb Vecna and Kas -> Use a 5th Dimensional snake that's the embodiment of all magic to learn about 10+ level spells and trick a fellow Demigod to try and absorb Vecna into his body to ascend -> absorb him instead -> Become strongest God in known existence temporarily -> use Ravenloft's rejection of Godhood to forcibly create a new portal to the Sigil -> Use divine aura to destroy the multiverse and ascend to the ranks of Overgod.

Ngl Plan A is far simpler but you have to commend the extreme details of Plan B. He must've taken notes from Madara and Aizen's playbook
 
tfw Aumvor unironically has 13th level spells and Vecna didn't just become a Faerunian deity to go yeet their stuff
 
Wait my bad. That was Plan C. Plan B was to use the words of creation (the same words the Lady of Pain used to fix the multiverse) for Vecna to be God of Ravenloft (after killing Kas of course), kill the current Ravenloft powers, then use his new found legion of Epic TIer people to conquer the multiverse.

If nothing else Mr. Skeletonman has back up plans and dreams.
 
According to the one book about the LoP she could easily damage armor stated to be able to tank arrows fired by 2e Apollo
 
All pages are upgraded to 6-B, I think the only 6-C one is Balor until Mind Flayer gets handled
 
If/When we get more Elemental Pages we should probably make a new section for them.
 
Yeah I plan on it. I'm gonna be adding them today.

qawsed I found your reddit account
 
Nice

Not to hard since I use this name for almost all of my social media accounts
 
Man this thread is almost full. If no one else does, I'll make a new thread if we reach 450+ comments.
 
Doesn't matter who does it since we'll all end up subscribing to it since it will then be just the general D&D revise-as-we-go thread
 
So off topic, Mystara has a bunch of really neat world maps like this one (while fan map, its strictly based on the original map). Also who knows maybe I'll find a feat that can be map scaled (maybe get a dank MHS+ feat or something).
 
What feats can you think of that would use the size of Mystara as a whole?
 
There could be some spells that effect multiple cities or something, where distances might come into play. Or an attack that travels from one point to another.
 
Ah

Yeah, that seems worth looking into if you have any specific examples
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Looking at Elminster's stuff.
Are we sure we shouldn't just hand him 6-B scaling to Epic Levels? Man's got a challenge rating of 39 in 3rd edition and is level 35 throughout his 5 different classes, was 29th in 2e and 26th in 1e. In 4e he was only level 19 but 4e sucks.

Not to mention he's literally listed in the Epic Level Handbook. As like. The first guy.
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To be fair 4e Elminster is having to deal with the spellplague which was messing with the power spellcasters in FR.
 
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