D&D Adventurer WIP Blog Pt. III

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Nice. Will provide us a good base for high CR enemies that aren't considered "baseline epic threat" (especially since 5e seems to have kinda removed that distinction entirely so high-tier stuff can get even more vague), but also aren't the few that jump to Tier 2 regardless of CR due to lore (5e solars, demon lords, some archdevils, etc.).

 

[Qawsedf234]

I think 5e went back to a 2e sorta thing for the moment. Like in 2e Hercules was famous across the multiverse and his name struck fear in even higher tier beings. Hercules was also canonically.... a level 20 fighter. And to my memory, in 5e, a level 20 character carries that same sorta weight across the multiverse.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Yeah, 5e has generally tried to keep player levels 1-20 without exception, with monsters going up to CR 30 at the absolute highest. CR 20 is there as "this should reasonably take a full party of level 20s to put down, but they'll likely only expend some of their resources", with CR 30 as "this'll quite possibly still wipe even a prepared party at full resources with legendary items if they don't play smart" (which of the two that exist right now, applies to Tiamat waaaaaay more than the Tarrasque).

A level 20 character could be like...Country level and a global power, or a Tier 2 entity in their own right who is known across the planes, capable of staving off cosmic threats.

Consult your DM for which one you'll be.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Alright so results vary from Low 7-B to 6-C.

Once this is eval'd, the current 7-Bs can scale to 6-C.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

CR 18+ being capable of Island level+ AP via passively existing somewhere. Damn.

Honestly hope that's accepted, as it'll open up some great battle opportunities.

 

[Qawsedf234]

About regen, do I just list Demogorgon's highest regen, or mention that his combat applicable Regenerationn is much lower than his total regen.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Probably just something like "Regenerationn (________ normally, ________ over time)".

 

[Qawsedf234]

Okay. Actually a decent amount of profiles probably need their Regenerationn updated using that format.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I'd imagine so. It's just a matter of rooting them out and then accurately fixing them.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'll collect them later and post them here. Then just ask you (or someone else) to unlock the pages.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Also, of the pages we currently have, any upgrades resulting from these calcs would affect:

Empyrean (D&D)

No-prep Elminster

No-prep Mordenkaine

Soneillon the Whispering Quee

Imbrar Helthar

Tarrasque (D&D)

Bazim-Gorag the Firebringer

Kraken (D&D)

Balor

Would also affect Mind Flayers when they get their new keys.

May also affect Drizzt Do'urde, but I honestly don't remember enough about him to say, since all I remember about the stuff he's currently scaled to is "fought dragons who were at least adults".

 

[Qawsedf234]

So our current ratings go

• Levels 1-4 = 9-B

• Levels 5-8 = 9-A

• Levels 9-12 = High 8-C

• Levels 13-17 = Low 7-B

• Levels 18 and up = 6-C+, 6-B with prep time

Right?

If we include Epic Levels then it'll probably be something like "Varies. At least 6-B, at most High 6-A" right?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

If we're including CR 17 in the 6-C calc, then yes. Epic levels are weird so I tend to just leave them at "At least 6-B" since with lore findings they could just be High 2-A or some shit

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Yeah, something like that.

Though obviously these are sort of "minimum values to be at this CR", as certain notable characters may drastically deviate from this (5e Solars being able to contend with demon lords, while being lower CR than an ancient blue dragon and the same CR as an average lich, for example...of course also spiralling into demon lords being Tier 2, while a lower CR than the Tarrasque).

 

[Qawsedf234]

I edited it to 18 since that's the minimum CR of the those guys. Though we may have to change it to 19 or something if we're being direct with scaling.

> they could just be High 2-A or some shit

Its funny that you mention that, since according to some 4e statements they do indeed have a High 2-A feat, though said feat kills them instantly.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I asked Therefir to take a look at the calc

Also nah, 18 should work since all the Princes seem to be roughly comparable to each other

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Qawsedf

I think 18 is fine as a minimum, since the CR 18 guys are supposed to be comparable to/able to fight Imix, who performs the 6-C+ feat by just existing.

 

[Qawsedf234]

With prep time a bunch of Halfling wizards did a 4-C feat in Darksun. They drained a Blue Star of so much energy that it became a Yellow Star.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

With prep time a bunch of Halfling wizards did a 4-C feat in Darksun. They drained a Blue Star of so much energy that it became a Yellow Star.

...Dark Sun is strange and I love it.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Speaking of Dark Sun, even though I never played, we should add that bigass dragon from the setting since I hear it's like stupidly overpowered.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Bambu

Borys?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Darksun is weird with Dragons. Basically there's no natural Dragons, instead Wizards of enough strength can sap enough life force from the planet to forcefully change them into a Dragon. Borys is the only Dragon in the setting and he's like some god-tier level 30 Wizard Dragon that breathes plasma blasts instead of fire or something.

His death also caused a permanent hundred+ miles hurricane to form and caused planetary flooding or something.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

According to his page, he apparently breathed superheated sand.

Which is somehow even worse.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

@Azzy That's the one.

 

[Qawsedf234]

He was only beaten by a really haxed wizard to my memory. She used the same tower that drained the sun to connect her to it. So as long as its daytime she can cast an infinite amount of spells at maximum power or something hilariously broken like that.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Sounds like Borys scales to 4-C if he had a fair fight with her

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I think he had more than a fair fight, considering three(?) other people were part of the fight against Borys as well, and he only died when one of the setting's most notable magic weapons snapped off in his skull and he was destroyed by Nickelodeon Gak.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Some quotes I guess

• The Pristine Tower draining the sun from blue to yellow and from yellow to red

• Borys had the other wizards that were amped by the sun in the above give him power to complete his Dragon Transformation

• Half-Elf Sun Wizard used the tower to connect her to the sun for that dank infinite spell casting

• Borys' weird all-races-combined-into-one master is stronger than he was to the point where they need to BFR him rather than kill him out right

I'll edit in others if I find/remember them. But there may be a case for them being 4-C or some subset of it, but I don't know how legit it is considering thats a pretty large "statements vs feats" sorta thing.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

6-C calc was accepted.

We're in, boys.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Gorag approves

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

"We're in the endgame, now." - Dr. Phil

 

[Mr. Bambu]

If nobody's done it before I finish up Imix's page, I'll go around and update any relevant pages that now scale to 6-C

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Sounds good.

Though I think that going by our current standards, this is actually qualifies for "At least 6-C" (just like the "At least Low 7-B" of adult dragons), as it's explicitly not the full extent of Imix's power, and is already bordering on High 6-C.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Fair enough.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Also, this actually means D&D can potentially have quite a few 6-C and High 6-C matches (when AP actually matters), since this is well within 6-C+, and it's from a CR 19 being's mere existence/not a direct attack or ability, which makes a lot of low to mid High 6-C AP differences negligible at best.

So that's nice. Expands the options, a little bit.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Yeah, true. I hope Bazim becomes the ugly little meme he deserves to be.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I'd like to get a general Lich profile added at some point, myself (when I can figure out all the spells that should be included on the page). We already have a few spooky skeleton men, but we need even more spooky skeleton men who like to spam the spell "go commit stop being alive" on the wiki.

Of course, I should probably focus on some of the easier generic creatures, first.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I know in 3.5e it's just a template to be applied to a creature. Aumvor is a good example of the lich, though.

 

[Qawsedf234]

The standard powers and abilites are easy. Spells less so unless you want to use some sort of default spell list like with the 3e or 5e Lich

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

5e provides you with a "basic Lich stat block", which is pretty deadly in its own right (CR 21/22 in its lair, disintegrate, globe of invulnerability, dominate monster, PWK), but it's hard to pin down even a "generic" Lich because they're all so varied and can essentially come at you with anything from the wizard spell list, considering they're fully loaded with at least one of every possible spell slot.

Yeah, Aumvor's cool. I like how he looks nothing like the typical gaunt, deceptively frail lich you normally see.