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[Ultima_Reality]

The Dreamlands being the "deeper universe" described in Hypnos is a pretty bizarre conclusion to make when every story in which they feature depicts them as being pretty much a regular 3-dimensional reality that functions largely the same as the waking world (Go read any part of The Cats of Ulthar or The Other Gods or The Dream-Quest to Unknown Kadath for proof). In contrast, the realm that Hypnos and his friend ventured into is explicitly impossible to speak of in any real detail specifically because the experiences they had while in there don't remotely resemble anything in the material world:

Of our studies it is impossible to speak, since they held so slight a connexion with anything of the world as living men conceive it. They were of that vaster and more appalling universe of dim entity and consciousness which lies deeper than matter, time, and space, and whose existence we suspect only in certain forms of sleep—those rare dreams beyond dreams which come never to common men, and but once or twice in the lifetime of imaginative men

In fact Through the Gates of the Silver Keys directly tells us that "the world of men and of the gods of men" is part of the 3-dimensional phase of reality. "The gods of men" in this case being the Great Ones who live in the Dreamlands:

The world of men and of the gods of men is merely an infinitesimal phase of an infinitesimal thing—the three-dimensional phase of that small wholeness reached by the First Gate, where ’Umr at-Tawil dictates dreams to the Ancient Ones.

The Ultimate Abyss being something different from the Court of Azathoth is likewise pretty obviously wrong when you consider that The Dreams in the Witch-House flat-out refers to the latter as the Ultimate Void:

The passage through the vague abysses would be frightful, for the Walpurgis-rhythm would be vibrating, and at last he would have to hear that hitherto veiled cosmic pulsing which he so mortally dreaded. Even now he could detect a low, monstrous shaking whose tempo he suspected all too well. At Sabbat-time it always mounted and reached through to the worlds to summon the initiate to nameless rites. Half the chants of the Sabbat were patterned on this faintly overheard pulsing which no earthly ear could endure in its unveiled spatial fulness. Gilman wondered, too, whether he could trust his instinct to take him back to the right part of space. How could he be sure he would not land on that green-litten hillside of a far planet, on the tessellated terrace above the city of tentacled monsters somewhere beyond the galaxy, or in the spiral black vortices of that ultimate void of Chaos wherein reigns the mindless daemon-sultan Azathoth?

With Dream-Quest following suit:

Kuranes, clad in a dressing-gown of the sort favoured by London tailors in his youth, rose eagerly to meet his guest; for the sight of an Anglo-Saxon from the waking world was very dear to him, even if it was a Saxon from Boston, Massachusetts, instead of from Cornwall. And for long they talked of old times, having much to say because both were old dreamers and well versed in the wonders of incredible places. Kuranes, indeed, had been out beyond the stars in the ultimate void, and was said to be the only one who had ever returned sane from such a voyage.

And in The Whisperer in Darkness it is stated to be "the uttermost Outside."

“There are four kinds of instruments here, Wilmarth,” whispered the voice. “Four kinds—three faculties each—makes twelve pieces in all. You see there are four different sorts of beings presented in those cylinders up there. Three humans, six fungoid beings who can’t navigate space corporeally, two beings from Neptune (God! if you could see the body this type has on its own planet!), and the rest entities from the central caverns of an especially interesting dark star beyond the galaxy. In the principal outpost inside Round Hill you’ll now and then find more cylinders and machines—cylinders of extra-cosmic brains with different senses from any we know—allies and explorers from the uttermost Outside—and special machines for giving them impressions and expression in the several ways suited at once to them and to the comprehensions of different types of listeners. Round Hill, like most of the beings’ main outposts all through the various universes, is a very cosmopolitan place! Of course, only the more common types have been lent to me for experiment.

"Outside," in this case, referring to the archetypal realms beyond the First Gate, which are beyond time and change and form the basis for everything in the dimensioned, "inner" world.

After an impressive pause the waves continued, saying that what the denizens of few-dimensioned zones call change is merely a function of their consciousness, which views the external world from various cosmic angles. As the shapes produced by the cutting of a cone seem to vary with the angles of cutting—being circle, ellipse, parabola, or hyperbola according to that angle, yet without any change in the cone itself—so do the local aspects of an unchanged and endless reality seem to change with the cosmic angle of regarding. To this variety of angles of consciousness the feeble beings of the inner worlds are slaves, since with rare exceptions they cannot learn to control them. Only a few students of forbidden things have gained inklings of this control, and have thereby conquered time and change. But the entities outside the Gates command all angles, and view the myriad parts of the cosmos in terms of fragmentary, change-involving perspective, or of the changeless totality beyond perspective, in accordance with their will.

Which conforms to how the Ultimate Abyss is described as "the last, utter sweep" of all existence:

In the face of that awful wonder, the quasi-Carter forgot the horror of destroyed individuality. It was an All-in-One and One-in-All of limitless being and self—not merely a thing of one Space-Time continuum, but allied to the ultimate animating essence of existence’s whole unbounded sweep—the last, utter sweep which has no confines and which outreaches fancy and mathematics alike. It was perhaps that which certain secret cults of earth have whispered of as YOG-SOTHOTH, and which has been a deity under other names; that which the crustaceans of Yuggoth worship as the Beyond-One, and which the vaporous brains of the spiral nebulae know by an untranslatable Sign—yet in a flash the Carter-facet realised how slight and fractional all these conceptions are.

So they are pretty obviously the same shit.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I would really want someone really knowledgeable about the verse and is a staff to comment here. Like Ultima, dude just dosen't respond. Lol

 

[Gasper]

The Dreamlands being the "deeper universe" described in Hypnos is a pretty bizarre conclusion to make when every story in which they feature depicts them as being pretty much a regular 3-dimensional reality that functions largely the same as the waking world (Go read any part of The Cats of Ulthar or The Other Gods or The Dream-Quest to Unknown Kadath for proof). In contrast, the realm that Hypnos and his friend ventured into is explicitly impossible to speak of in any real detail specified because the experiences they had while in there don't remotely resemble anything in the material world:



In fact Through the Gates of the Silver Keys directly tells us that "the world of men and of the gods of men" is part of the 3-dimensional phase of reality. "The gods of men" in this case being the Great Ones who live in the Dreamlands:

While the Dunwich horror directly stated the great ones aka the gods of earth to be undimensoned and unseen even to cthulhu.

Dreamlands depend on where the dreamer is at the time of dreaming. So of course they will be 3 dimensional on earth.

The Ultimate Abyss being sometimes different from the Court of Azathoth is likewise pretty obviously wrong when you consider that The Dreams in the Witch-House flat-out refers to the latter as the Ultimate Void:

I am aware, but this dosen't contradict my interpretation. The Ultimate Void in this case is just a title and not the same as in through the gates of the silver key where the Ultimate void is only referred to as "the Ultimate void" or "the Ultimate Abyss" and never as The ultimate chaos or anything as in other stories.

With Dream-Quest following suit:



And in The Whisperer in Darkness it is stated to be "the uttermost Outside."

"Outside," in this case, referring to the archetypal realms beyond the First Gate, which are beyond time and change and form the basis for everything in the dimensioned, "inner" world.

How though? The gates are never mentioned outside of the dunwich horror or Through the gates of the silver key. There are some others but they aren't as important. The Gates have nothing to do with azathoth at all. Not even talking about how Randolph Carter needed silver key to open the first gate in through the gates of the silver key while in Dream-Quest of unknown kaddah he almost run into the Ultimate Chaos.

Which conforms to how the Ultimate Abyss is described as "the last, utter sweep" of all existence:

Again, not something that can be applied to the ultimate chaos in other stories.

So they are pretty obviously the same shit.

Not really.

 

[Gasper]

Nevermind the words azathoth, other gods nor Ultimate gods are even uttered in through the gates of the silver key.

 

[ShivaShakti]

All of these simply seems blatantly incorrect.

The Dreamlands is an alternate universe, and nothing implies it holding a transcendental state in any capacity.

I don't know why the people in the thread are speaking about references to islam. The most Lovecraft has referenced is Hinduism in through the gates of the silver key, as well as occasional references to Platonism or the hermetic interpretations of the Zohar.

The Ultimate Gods and The Archetypes are the same thing.

I obviously disagree with everything presented here.

 

[ShivaShakti]

"Outside," in this case, referring to the archetypal realms beyond the First Gate, which are beyond time and change and form the basis for everything in the dimensioned, "inner" world.

I will also add that the Ultimate Abyss in TTGoTSK is described identically.

"By the time the rite was over Carter knew that he was in no region whose place could be told by earth’s geographers, and in no age whose date history could fix. For the nature of what was happening was not wholly unfamiliar to him. There were hints of it in the cryptical Pnakotic fragments, and a whole chapter in the forbidden Necronomicon of the mad Arab Abdul Alhazred had taken on significance when he had deciphered the designs graven on the Silver Key. A gate had been unlocked—not indeed the Ultimate Gate, but one leading from earth and time to that extension of earth which is outside time, and from which in turn the Ultimate Gate leads fearsomely and perilously to the Last Void which is outside all earths, all universes, and all matter."

 

[ShivaShakti]

While the Dunwich horror directly stated the great ones aka the gods of earth to be undimensoned and unseen even to cthulhu.

Dreamlands depend on where the dreamer is at the time of dreaming. So of course they will be 3 dimensional on earth.

That was referring the "Old Ones" (The Ultimate Gods). Not the Great Ones.

I am aware, but this dosen't contradict my interpretation. The Ultimate Void in this case is just a title and not the same as in through the gates of the silver key where the Ultimate void is only referred to as "the Ultimate void" or "the Ultimate Abyss" and never as The ultimate chaos or anything as in other stories.

They are described identically multiple times.

How though? The gates are never mentioned outside of the dunwich horror or Through the gates of the silver key. There are some others but they aren't as important. The Gates have nothing to do with azathoth at all. Not even talking about how Randolph Carter needed silver key to open the first gate in through the gates of the silver key while in Dream-Quest of unknown kaddah he almost run into the Ultimate Chaos.

It being described as the "Uttermost outside" is self evident of its placement, as the ultimate abyss is also referred to as the "Last void outside all matter"

Again, not something that can be applied to the ultimate chaos in other stories.

Not really.

You haven't refuted a single point.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Then on the fifteenth of April a strange development occurred. While nothing appeared to grow different in kind, there was certainly a very terrible difference in degree; and Dr. Willett somehow attaches great significance to the change. The day was Good Friday, a circumstance of which the servants made much, but which others quite naturally dismiss as an irrelevant coincidence. Late in the afternoon young Ward began repeating a certain formula in a singularly loud voice, at the same time burning some substance so pungent that its fumes escaped over the entire house. The formula was so plainly audible in the hall outside the locked door that Mrs. Ward could not help memorising it as she waited and listened anxiously, and later on she was able to write it down at Dr. Willett’s request. It ran as follows, and experts have told Dr. Willett that its very close analogue can be found in the mystic writings of “Eliphas Levi”, that cryptic soul who crept through a crack in the forbidden door and glimpsed the frightful vistas of the void beyond:

“Per Adonai Eloim, Adonai Jehova, Adonai Sabaoth, Metraton On Agla Mathon, verbum pythonicum, mysterium salamandrae, conventus sylvorum, antra gnomorum, daemonia Coeli Gad, Almousin, Gibor, Jehosua, Evam, Zariatnatmik, veni, veni, veni.”

With an effort, however, Willett pulled himself together and began studying the formulae chiselled on the walls. From the stained and incrusted letters it was obvious that they were carved in Joseph Curwen’s time, and their text was such as to be vaguely familiar to one who had read much Curwen material or delved extensively into the history of magic. One the doctor clearly recognised as what Mrs. Ward heard her son chanting on that ominous Good Friday a year before, and what an authority had told him was a very terrible invocation addressed to secret gods outside the normal spheres. It was not spelled here exactly as Mrs. Ward had set it down from memory, nor yet as the authority had shewn it to him in the forbidden pages of “Eliphas Levi”; but its identity was unmistakable, and such words as Sabaoth, Metraton, Almousin, and Zariatnatmik sent a shudder of fright through the searcher who had seen and felt so much of cosmic abomination just around the corner.

This was on the left-hand wall as one entered the room. The right-hand wall was no less thickly inscribed, and Willett felt a start of recognition as he came upon the pair of formulae so frequently occurring in the recent notes in the library. They were, roughly speaking, the same; with the ancient symbols of “Dragon’s Head” and “Dragon’s Tail” heading them as in Ward’s scribblings. But the spelling differed quite widely from that of the modern versions, as if old Curwen had had a different way of recording sound, or as if later study had evolved more powerful and perfected variants of the invocations in question. The doctor tried to reconcile the chiselled version with the one which still ran persistently in his head, and found it hard to do. Where the script he had memorised began “Y’ai ’ng’ngah, Yog-Sothoth”, this epigraph started out as “Aye, engengah, Yogge-Sothotha”; which to his mind would seriously interfere with the syllabification of the second word.

Ground as the later text was into his consciousness, the discrepancy disturbed him; and he found himself chanting the first of the formulae aloud in an effort to square the sound he conceived with the letters he found carved. Weird and menacing in that abyss of antique blasphemy rang his voice; its accents keyed to a droning sing-song either through the spell of the past and the unknown, or through the hellish example of that dull, godless wail from the pits whose inhuman cadences rose and fell rhythmically in the distance through the stench and the darkness.

“Y’AI ’NG’NGAH,
YOG-SOTHOTH
H’EE—L’GEB
F’AI THRODOG
UAAAH!”

They are also these quotes describing Eliphas Levi calling out to the "Void Beyond", and then Yog-Sothoth's name appears in one of these invocations. Given the many statements placing the Ultimate Gods within a void outside time and matter, it's obviously meant to introduce Yog-Sothoth as one of the Ultimate Gods mentioned alongside Azathoth and Nyarlathotep. And if Yog-Sothoth is the Supreme Archetype, the other Archetypes must be themselves Ultimate Gods.

 

[ShivaShakti]

There is also of course the family tree which connects Azathoth, Nyarlathotep, Shub-Niggurath, and Yog-Sothoth.

 

[AlexZiggy]

Regarding the Dreamlands, I think what the OP means is that the hierarchy described in Hypnos is still said to be in the domain of dreams, not that the 3-D Dreamlands themselves correspond to those voids.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

That was referring the "Old Ones" (The Ultimate Gods). Not the Great Ones.

To add to this, here is the excerpt being referred to:

“Nor is it to be thought,” ran the text as Armitage mentally translated it, “that man is either the oldest or the last of earth’s masters, or that the common bulk of life and substance walks alone. The Old Ones were, the Old Ones are, and the Old Ones shall be. Not in the spaces we know, but between them, They walk serene and primal, undimensioned and to us unseen. Yog-Sothoth knows the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the key and guardian of the gate. Past, present, future, all are one in Yog-Sothoth. He knows where the Old Ones broke through of old, and where They shall break through again. He knows where They have trod earth’s fields, and where They still tread them, and why no one can behold Them as They tread. By Their smell can men sometimes know Them near, but of Their semblance can no man know, saving only in the features of those They have begotten on mankind; and of those are there many sorts, differing in likeness from man’s truest eidolon to that shape without sight or substance which is Them. They walk unseen and foul in lonely places where the Words have been spoken and the Rites howled through at their Seasons. The wind gibbers with Their voices, and the earth mutters with Their consciousness. They bend the forest and crush the city, yet may not forest or city behold the hand that smites. Kadath in the cold waste hath known Them, and what man knows Kadath? The ice desert of the South and the sunken isles of Ocean hold stones whereon Their seal is engraven, but who hath seen the deep frozen city or the sealed tower long garlanded with seaweed and barnacles? Great Cthulhu is Their cousin, yet can he spy Them only dimly. Iä! Shub-Niggurath! As a foulness shall ye know Them. Their hand is at your throats, yet ye see Them not; and Their habitation is even one with your guarded threshold. Yog-Sothoth is the key to the gate, whereby the spheres meet. Man rules now where They ruled once; They shall soon rule where man rules now. After summer is winter, and after winter summer. They wait patient and potent, for here shall They reign again.”

Here you can see that they are strictly referred to as "The Old Ones." Absolutely nothing connects them to the Great Ones described in Dream-Quest to Unknown Kadath. Indeed, the text pretty explicitly says that the "Old Ones" in question are without appearance and without substance. Meanwhile, the Great Ones that rule the Dreamlands are very much physical, humanoid entities. Here's Randolph Carter stumbling across the likeness of one carved on the side of a mountain for example:

He felt from the chill that he must be near the snow line, and looked up to see what glittering pinnacles might be shining in that late ruddy sunlight. Surely enough, there was the snow uncounted thousands of feet above, and below it a great beetling crag like that he had just climbed; hanging there forever in bold outline, black against the white of the frozen peak. And when he saw that crag he gasped and cried out aloud, and clutched at the jagged rock in awe; for the titan bulge had not stayed as earth’s dawn had shaped it, but gleamed red and stupendous in the sunset with the carved and polished features of a god.
Stern and terrible shone that face that the sunset lit with fire. How vast it was no mind can ever measure, but Carter knew at once that man could never have fashioned it. It was a god chiselled by the hands of the gods, and it looked down haughty and majestic upon the seeker. Rumour had said it was strange and not to be mistaken, and Carter saw that it was indeed so; for those long narrow eyes and long-lobed ears, and that thin nose and pointed chin, all spoke of a race that is not of men but of gods. He clung overawed in that lofty and perilous eyrie, even though it was this which he had expected and come to find; for there is in a god’s face more of marvel than prediction can tell, and when that face is vaster than a great temple and seen looking down at sunset in the cryptic silences of that upper world from whose dark lava it was divinely hewn of old, the marvel is so strong that none may escape it.

 

[Tarang123]

Nevermind, switching to disagree for reasons above

 

[Gasper]

That was referring the "Old Ones" (The Ultimate Gods). Not the Great Ones.

No it didn't. Nothing suggests this.

They are described identically multiple times.

Like what? Described being the void?

It being described as the "Uttermost outside" is self evident of its placement, as the ultimate abyss is also referred to as the "Last void outside all matter"

Dreams in the Witch-House has nothing to do with through the gates of the silver key. The void being described as such in a story written before the silver key dosen't mean anything.

You haven't refuted a single point.

I did.

 

[Gasper]

There is also of course the family tree which connects Azathoth, Nyarlathotep, Shub-Niggurath, and Yog-Sothoth.

As a joke. Lol
Stop using this as proof.

 

[Gasper]

To add to this, here is the excerpt being referred to:



Here you can see that they are strictly referred to as "The Old Ones." Absolutely nothing connects them to the Great Ones described in Dream-Quest to Unknown Kadath. Indeed, the text pretty explicitly says that the "Old Ones" in question are without appearance and without substance. Meanwhile, the Great Ones that rule the Dreamlands are very much physical, humanoid entities. Here's Randolph Carter stumbling across the likeness of one carved on the side of a mountain for example:

Exept nodens is also great one and is described as formless in The Strange High House in the Mist.

 

[Gasper]

So far, nothing here has been refuted

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

This doesn't seem to be a place or step at all, it's Yog-Sothoth warning Carter before he gives him his boon.

"The veil still unrent before your eyes" is just metaphor, as "Seeing behind the veil" is common vernacular.

Yeah I second this. I disagree with OPs interpretation.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Exept nodens is also great one and is described as formless in The Strange High House in the Mist.

Nodens is the "Lord of the Great Abyss" that is "beneath" the Dreamlands. He is not a Great One at all. He's a Deus Ex Machina who is inexplicably Nyarlathotep's rival whereas all the gods of earth are Nyarlathotep's slaves.

 

[ShivaShakti]

So far, nothing here has been refuted

By you, yes. You haven't given good rebuttals to any of of our points You simply keep stating "No it isn't" without any elaboration.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Yeah I second this. I disagree with OPs interpretation.

The veil is pretty much a real structure.

 

[Tarang123]

The veil is pretty much a real structure.

Any actual evidence of this?

I'll bring the actual quote here:

"What you wish, I have found good; and I am ready to grant that which I have granted eleven times only to beings of your planet—five times only to those you call men, or those resembling them. I am ready to shew you the Ultimate Mystery, to look on which is to blast a feeble spirit. Yet before you gaze full at that last and first of secrets you may still wield a free choice, and return if you will through the two Gates with the Veil still unrent before your eyes."

It's not some cosmological structure. It refers to it as the "last and first of secrets" and that if he doesn't want to know about the Ultimate Mystery, he can go back with a veil still over his eyes. All it's saying is that he can go back without learning what the secret actually is if he wants. It's not being literal

 

[ShivaShakti]

Carter "passing the veil" is simply the Supreme Archetype allowing him to experience a greater depth of itself. The text even follows with descriptions of the Supreme Archetype, and what more Carter can glimpse of it. The Veil itself isn't a structure, it's simply stating how infinitesimal Carter's previous perception of it was.

A sudden shutting-off of the waves left Carter in a chilling and awesome silence full of the spirit of desolation. On every hand pressed the illimitable vastness of the void, yet the seeker knew that the BEING was still there. After a moment he thought of words whose mental substance he flung into the abyss:

“I accept. I will not retreat.”

The waves surged forth again, and Carter knew that the BEING had heard. And now there poured from that limitless MIND a flood of knowledge and explanation which opened new vistas to the seeker, and prepared him for such a grasp of the cosmos as he had never hoped to possess. He was told how childish and limited is the notion of a tri-dimensional world, and what an infinity of directions there are besides the known directions of up-down, forward-backward, right-left. He was shewn the smallness and tinsel emptiness of the little gods of earth, with their petty, human interests and connexions—their hatreds, rages, loves, and vanities; their craving for praise and sacrifice, and their demands for faith contrary to reason and Nature.

While most of the impressions translated themselves to Carter as words, there were others to which other senses gave interpretation. Perhaps with eyes and perhaps with imagination he perceived that he was in a region of dimensions beyond those conceivable to the eye and brain of man. He saw now, in the brooding shadows of that which had been first a vortex of power and then an illimitable void, a sweep of creation that dizzied his senses. From some inconceivable vantage-point he looked upon prodigious forms whose multiple extensions transcended any conception of being, size, and boundaries which his mind had hitherto been able to hold, despite a lifetime of cryptical study. He began to understand dimly why there could exist at the same time the little boy Randolph Carter in the Arkham farmhouse in 1883, the misty form on the vaguely hexagonal pillar beyond the First Gate, the fragment now facing the PRESENCE in the limitless abyss, and all the other “Carters” his fancy or perception envisaged.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

“And while there are those,” the mad Arab had written, “who have dared to seek glimpses beyond the Veil, and to accept HIM as a Guide, they would have been more prudent had they avoided commerce with HIM; for it is written in the Book of Thoth how terrific is the price of a single glimpse. Nor may those who pass ever return, for in the Vastnesses transcending our world are Shapes of darkness that seize and bind. The Affair that shambleth about in the night, the Evil that defieth the Elder Sign, the Herd that stand watch at the secret portal each tomb is known to have, and that thrive on that which groweth out of the tenants within—all these Blacknesses are lesser than HE Who guardeth the Gateway; HE Who will guide the rash one beyond all the worlds into the Abyss of unnamable Devourers. For HE is’UMR AT-TAWIL, the Most Ancient One, which the scribe rendereth as THE PROLONGED OF LIFE.”

The passage through the vague abysses would be frightful, for the Walpurgis-rhythm would be vibrating, and at last he would have to hear that hitherto veiled cosmic pulsing which he so mortally dreaded. Even now he could detect a low, monstrous shaking whose tempo he suspected all too well. At Sabbat-time it always mounted and reached through to the worlds to summon the initiate to nameless rites. Half the chants of the Sabbat were patterned on this faintly overheard pulsing which no earthly ear could endure in its unveiled spatial fulness. Gilman wondered, too, whether he could trust his instinct to take him back to the right part of space. How could he be sure he would not land on that green-litten hillside of a far planet, on the tessellated terrace above the city of tentacled monsters somewhere beyond the galaxy, or in the spiral black vortices of that ultimate void of Chaos wherein reigns the mindless daemon-sultan Azathoth?

Any actual evidence of this?

I'll bring the actual quote here:

It's not some cosmological structure. It refers to it as the "last and first of secrets" and that if he doesn't want to know about the Ultimate Mystery, he can go back with a veil still over his eyes. All it's saying is that he can go back without learning what the secret actually is if he wants. It's not being literal

 

[ShivaShakti]

Exept nodens is also great one and is described as formless in The Strange High House in the Mist.

Nodens is not a Great One. They explicitly fear him even, as well as the Nightgaunts.

Accordingly he spoke of these things to the ghoulish leaders; telling what he knew of the cold waste wherein Kadath stands and of the monstrous shantaks and the mountains carven into double-headed images which guard it. He spoke of the fear of shantaks for night-gaunts, and of how the vast hippocephalic birds fly screaming from the black burrows high up on the gaunt grey peaks that divide Inganok from hateful Leng. He spoke, too, of the things he had learnt concerning night-gaunts from the frescoes in the windowless monastery of the high-priest not to be described; how even the Great Ones fear them, and how their ruler is not the crawling chaos Nyarlathotep at all, but hoary and immemorial Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss.

All these things Carter glibbered to the assembled ghouls, and presently outlined that request which he had in mind, and which he did not think extravagant considering the services he had so lately rendered the rubbery, dog-like lopers. He wished very much, he said, for the services of enough night-gaunts to bear him safely through the air past the realm of shantaks and carven mountains, and up into the cold waste beyond the returning tracks of any other mortal. He desired to fly to the onyx castle atop unknown Kadath in the cold waste to plead with the Great Ones for the sunset city they denied him, and felt sure that the night-gaunts could take him thither without trouble; high above the perils of the plain, and over the hideous double heads of those carven sentinel mountains that squat eternally in the grey dusk. For the horned and faceless creatures there could be no danger from aught of earth, since the Great Ones themselves dread them. And even were unexpected things to come from the Other Gods, who are prone to oversee the affairs of earth’s milder gods, the night-gaunts need not fear; for the outer hells are indifferent matters to such silent and slippery flyers as own not Nyarlathotep for their master, but bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I didn't even know this thread existed when I pushed my recent polishing Cthulhu Mythos CRT through: https://vsbattles.com/threads/superficial-cthulhu-mythos-crt.149881/. What is the current state of affairs here?

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

I didn't even know this thread existed when I pushed my recent polishing Cthulhu Mythos CRT through: https://vsbattles.com/threads/superficial-cthulhu-mythos-crt.149881/. What is the current state of affairs here?

Not good, because some disagreement there and here.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

I didn't even know this thread existed when I pushed my recent polishing Cthulhu Mythos CRT through: https://vsbattles.com/threads/superficial-cthulhu-mythos-crt.149881/. What is the current state of affairs here?

Also I think the OP has been banned too but I don't wanna make assumptions however judging by the fact the OPs pfp has reverted to the default VSBW one and hasn't been active for a week, it seems to be the most logical explanation.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Also I think the OP has been banned too but I don't wanna make assumptions however judging by the fact the OPs pfp has reverted to the default VSBW one and hasn't been active for a week, it seems to be the most logical explanation.

If the OP is banned, which I'll check with the staff if they are or not, can I request for this thread to be closed?

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

If the OP is banned, which I'll check with the staff if they are or not, can I request for this thread to be closed?

He is not banned lol, just not on wiki for one week straight.

 

[Gasper]

Sorry for just disappearing like that.
Had alot of personal problems but now i'm back. Also, i don't feel like arguing anymore so any staff is welcome to close the thread.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Sorry for just disappearing like that.
Had alot of personal problems but now i'm back. Also, i don't feel like arguing anymore so any staff is welcome to close the thread.

Understood, I will request for them to do that if nobody objects in the next 24 hours.