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Crisis Cosmology Revision (Final Thread)

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The Divine Continuum should be Low 1-A in my opinion, not the Orrery which should be 11-D.
 
Elizio33 said:
Oh okay, I understand, but the Low 1-A for the Orrery might be weird and i think your scan supporting the Low 1-A Orrery would fit better with the Divine Continuum, but that's just me. I could be wrong.
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This doesn't make sense with the Garden operating with the same logic. Concepts being deeper than time and space hence they get 1-A alongside it havin' R>F over the Orrery.

The Dreaming is a clear-cut example of having hierarchies of worlds as I put it. The Sphere is composed purely on ideas and unreality that's not at all the same as the Orrery. It does make sense since we treat the Divine Continuum as purely a conceptual plane that oversee the Multiverse like the 5th and 6th Dimensions. Also, the Omniverse aspect of the Divine Continuum contains both the Dark Multiverse and the Otherplace which shouldn't even have time nor space.
 
Here’s how the scaling would

Low 1-A material plabe: Any being that can completely destroy the entire structure and all the universes. If not, they'll just stay High 1-C for partial destruction.

1-A realms and beings: Hecate, Upside Downman, Lords of Chaos and Order, Mister Mxyzptlk, Bat-Mite, Quintessence, Hell Lords, Angels, Garden of Shadows, Empty Hand, Darkseid, and servants of the Darkness.

1-A+ realms and beings: Dreaming, Dark Multiverse, Divine Conntinnum, 5th Dimension, and 6th Dimension, Speedforce. Anyone who scales to those, the Monitors Brothers and Perpetua gets the tier. Spectre, Dream, and Barbatos get a possibly 1-A+. The Omniversal hierarchy gets 1-A+. Arc Angles and Stillness get this tier as well…..unsure about the Stillness.

High 1-A realms and beings: The Light of Creation(Overvoid, Source, and Presence)

High 1-A+(type 2) realm and being: The Great Darkness

0: The Creator(Presence’s true form)
 
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I don't understand Low 1-A orrery,
"At the edge of the limitless universe is the accumulation of time and space. Even the Absolute Universe exists outside of time and space."

How does this qualify for low 1-A? According to my limited understanding of the tier, it takes transcendence, or at least some kind of total overcoming of dimensions, to fall under this tier. I don't understand how something just existing outside of conventional space and time without much context as is the case with the absolute universe makes you low 1-A.
Or even that about the "accumulation of space and time" I think a little more explanation is needed there.

Correct me if I'm wrong
otherwise all seems good to me
 
GoldenVortex94 said:
How does this qualify for low 1-A? According to my limited understanding of the tier, it takes transcendence, or at least some kind of total overcoming of dimensions, to fall under this tier. I don't understand how something just existing outside of conventional space and time without much context as is the case with the absolute universe makes you low 1-A.
Or even that about the "accumulation of space and time" I think a little more explanation is needed there.
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In the sense that at the edge of the Cosmos confines time and space while existing outside it does count for Low 1-A. As long as the transcendence precedes time, space, or dimensions is more so lacking or contaning the feature than altogether qualitatively beyond it.

So it contains the concept of time and space which indirectly notions everything that's quantitative in nature exists at that boundary. This is given the realms outside this reality purely rely on being not “real,” not a “place,” or transcendent of time and space as just ideas.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
In the sense that at the edge of the Cosmos confines time and space while existing outside it does count for Low 1-A. As long as the transcendence precedes time, space, or dimensions is more so lacking or contaning the feature than altogether qualitatively beyond it.

So it contains the concept of time and space which indirectly notions everything that's quantitative in nature exists at that boundary. This is given the realms outside this reality purely rely on being not “real,” not a “place,” or transcendent of time and space as just ideas.
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Ah, so the universes themselves at their highest levels contain the notions of space and time at their limits. So things that exist outside of these but continue to exist within the orrery are the ones that gain low level 1-A, like the absolute universe, right?
 
GoldenVortex94 said:
Ah, so the universes themselves at their highest levels contain the notions of space and time at their limits. So things that exist outside of these but continue to exist within the orrery are the ones that gain low level 1-A, like the absolute universe, right?
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Yeah, it's weird especially when Dark Crisis started when all the multiverses still connected by the Bleed stood-in place for the Orrery.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
Should we consider the Buddha from the Monkey Prince storyline as one and the same as the Source or the Creator?
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Are you referring to the story that Yahweh told Lucifer? If yes, then no. This is from the Vertigo Cosmology.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:

Low 1-A Orrery:​

While we discuss the String-Theory conception of the 11-D brane cosmology. At the edge of the limitless Universe is the accumulation of time and space. Even the Absolute Universe exists outside time and space. This is considering each world/dimension can be higher than the other so special cases like the Absolute Universe aren't the only prime example. (Action Comics Vol.1 #1015) This is obvious since Earth-Omega itself also has no dimensional vibrancy. (Infinite Frontier Vol.1 #1) Which the Universe at its most is composed time and space itself which can be threatened. (Superman Vol.6 #14)

The bleed space is an interdimensional Void, which means it lacks physical composition is said to exist outside of physical reality. (Lazarus Planet: We Were Once Gods Vol.1 #1) It was also described as a transdimensional energy that premeates and hit all infinity of universes. (Batman/Superman: World’s Finest Vol.1 #23)

1-A Higher Realms:​

As stated several times that planes beyond corporeal reality are said to exist outside time and space such as the Green.(Justice League Dark Vol.2 #25) As such planes beyond the physical use entire concepts of time and space where they exist in place of no place and time of no time. (Infinite Frontier Vol.1 #0)

The Cosmology blog already highlights several examples of these realms not being “places” but ideas that are not tied to time, this is considering there are infinite planes. (The Hellblazer Vol.1 #3) In several of these planes they not only support the worlds below them but also exist and cut in between them. Now given what we said of emanation it is possible for them to have R>F difference with the prime example being the Garden but there's also many forces and places in the same ontological existence as the Speed Force. Stated that reality again has an endless flow of emanation. (The Flash Vol.6 #11) In the Dreaming or the Dream Universe exists worlds within worlds seen as dreams within dreams. (Justice League America Vol.1 #74)
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Nothing here proves low 1a bleed, even the scans don't even give concepts of time and space, just time and space in general.
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GG55HH said:
Nothing here proves low 1a bleed, even the scans don't even give concepts of time and space, just time and space in general.
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No, it's not referring to any space-time continuum but the very concept of time and space. This is better explained with Wonderland being the tip of time and space itself given that everything outside the Orrery is completely absent or beyond space. The individual universes obviously follow the notion of the time-space continuum but the entire Orrery contains the very core concept.
 
AndrewBennet said:
Return of bruce wayne issue #2. Elizio will explain better
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Are you talking about the Cube time/Plane time ? This refers to Hypertime, the concept based on "three-dimensional" time that integrates all timelines that appear as fictions to the Cube time level.

Time point includes all possibilities. Line time is the extension of the Time point and forms a line that goes backwards and forwards. But time does not only extant forward and backward, but also laterally, and so this is Plane time which is a "two-dimensional" cosmic loom of converging and separating timelines. Perdenticular to Plane time, there is Cube time from where beings with scales, depths and dimensions beyond understanding perceives the timelines from a higher-dimensional perspective. There is also Hypercube time which was almost seen as the Fifth Dimension according to Grant Morrison's words in an interview.
 
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I think we should also include every story that doesn't stray too much from the main authors we've already accepted. So we should include stories after Post-Crisis.
 
I would also add that The Source is The Word, another name for The Voice, the most common aspect of God. The Source is a direct manifestation of God's will and power and therefore it brought light by manifesting itself as light.
 
I do have a suggestion. We could keep Orrery as a High 1-C, but give Low 1-A to the totality of the material realm. However, I think that because the Orrery was removed during Infinite Frontier, it still works. Either way works.
 
Elizio33 said:
I would also add that The Source is The Word, another name for The Voice, the most common aspect of God. The Source is a direct manifestation of God's will and power and therefore it brought light by manifesting itself as light.
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The Word itself said it came from the Voice. Also, multiple stories depicting that the Word was traced and came into being as God(Voice) said so.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
I do have a suggestion. We could keep Orrery as a High 1-C, but give Low 1-A to the totality of the material realm. However, I think that because the Orrery was removed during Infinite Frontier, it still works. Either way works.
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We should be careful with this as it varies depending the multiversal configuration that happened after the reality-changing crises. I think Low 1-A/1-A might work better with the Totality of Creation or at least realms such as the Sphere of the Gods, Fifth Dimension, and so on.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
The Word itself said it came from the Voice. Also, multiple stories depicting that the Word was traced and came into being as God(Voice) said so.
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Way i wasn't talking about the Word that was brought by the Voice at the dawn of creation. The Word I was talking about is also another name for The Voice.
 
Elizio33 said:
Way i wasn't talking about the Word that was brought by the Voice at the dawn of creation. The Word I was talking about is also another name for The Voice.
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“Words” or “Logos” are always invoked as they need to be “spoken” into existence. So this very much is still the case with the Word being brought into existence by the Voice. At the time, the Voice was treated as God that brought forth Creation with the Word from the Void.
 
Also, the Elemental realms section is missing a lot. I think just using Prince Cosmology blog is fine since it doesn't really contradict anything and helps boost 1-A metaphysical realm and helps establish time and space ends at Wonderland.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
“Words” or “Logos” are always invoked as they need to be “spoken” into existence. So this very much is still the case with the Word being brought into existence by the Voice. At the time, the Voice was treated as God that brought forth Creation with the Word from the Void.
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So its God > Voice > Source/Word/Light ?
 
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