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Quote for that?Jaakubb said:+ in the context of halo specifically, an "essence" is an immaterial manifestation of consciousness and life.
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Quote for that?Jaakubb said:+ in the context of halo specifically, an "essence" is an immaterial manifestation of consciousness and life.
If I commonly refer to something as a rectangle, does it mean that I am asserting that it is not a square? (No) They have reason to not call it a "soul" specifically because as I said earlier it is a very methodical verse. And when they don't care too much about being methodical, they do, in fact, call it a soul.KarmodF said:Because most of the statements refer them as such and not soul, both mind and soul have similar characteristics, but the Composer have never stated to affect souls, only minds.
Yes it is a methodical verse and it would sound weird, but they do know about souls, you even posted one where Forthencho refers them as such.Jaakubb said:If I commonly refer to something as a rectangle, does it mean that I am asserting that it is not a square? (No) They have reason to not call it a "soul" specifically because as I said earlier it is a very methodical verse. And when they don't care too much about being methodical, they do, in fact, call it a soul.
The Composer! So many possibilities and capabilities tied up in that strange name... A Composer of minds and souls! |
Not stated directly, but we can see this if we look at context. Waypoint says that a composer takes a sentient being and makes it so that their body is destroyed, while the rest of them (their life force and consciousness) is put into data readable by machines. Also, halopedia says that "a mind, by itself and particularly when separated from its biological body[immaterial], is often referred to as an essence." Keep in mind that as I said earlier, mind is part of soul. The two are not mutually exclusive. Admittedly, I don't have the visual guide where this info allegedly comes from, but I don't think they would lie about a detail like this.KarmodF said:Quote for that?Jaakubb said:+ in the context of halo specifically, an "essence" is an immaterial manifestation of consciousness and life.
What I said is that modern humans are methodical and do not use terms such as "soul." However, forthencho at the time where he said that quote was obviously NOT a modern Human and did not have the exact same attitudes toward naming that the modern humans did.KarmodF said:Yes it is a methodical verse and it would sound weird, but they do know about souls, you even posted one where Forthencho refers them as such.Jaakubb said:If I commonly refer to something as a rectangle, does it mean that I am asserting that it is not a square? (No) They have reason to not call it a "soul" specifically because as I said earlier it is a very methodical verse. And when they don't care too much about being methodical, they do, in fact, call it a soul.
The Composer! So many possibilities and capabilities tied up in that strange name... A Composer of minds and souls!
Where does it say this? To be honest, I don't have any actual quotes either but I at least have info from halopedia, which while not infallible, is still probably SOMEWHAT reliable (they do cite their sources after all). Anyways, the data is just how the machines store the souls. Data is not a specific type of material like chi or matter is. We can't just assume that the forerunners store data in the same way that we do with computers (electrical stuff and numbers and whatnot). Even the forerunners don't understand exactly how the composers work, so I HEAVILY doubt that the stored essences in the composer are just electrical charges that correspond to numbers (traditional concept of "data").DarkDragonMedeus said:The Forerunners are religious and do believe in some religious aspects, but their religious beliefs aren't actually true. The actual books outright state that it's just digital data
Fine, if the term "soul" is so stupidly vague I guess it doesn't matter. The thing is, what if MC gets into a battle with someone who has soul manip? Does the latter character win for the sole purpose (no pun intended) of the word "soul" being a stupidly vague term? Or would it be inconclusive?KarmodF said:The problem is that the term and requierements to consider something a "soul" are just to broad in fiction, basing them out of the modern concepts for soul dont indicate anything as its a concept we dont even know it truly exist, just speculate about it.