Composite character profiles that need to be reworked or deleted due to recent rule changes

[Antvasima]

Well, the modified rule seems to have been accepted by Promestein and Celestial Pegasus in the other thread:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3762548

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

• Profiles for entire species may be acceptable, if it can be shown that the species in question would potentially be capable of having any and all of it's potential characteristics at once.

I mean, this kind of principle is what makes stuff like Composite Human possible, which we've removed previously. Even if we exclusively apply this to fictional universes, you have some verses where the power system is technically usable by any living human being (for example, it could theoretically be possible in many Fantasy verses for a single human to have mastery of all magic, despite no human actually achieving it in-verse), which would justify a loophole of making a "Composite Human" which is actually more of a proxy for "Composite character in X-verse".

• In the event that a character has no linear canon, but rather treats all of the related works as being canon without much context as to the order of events, a profile detailing all of their feats at once may also be acceptable.

This kind of contradicts with our other rules of canon and plot requirements. We disallow verses that don't have continuity, and this seems to just provide a workaround where "well, the verse doesn't have a linear canon/continuity, but it's fair to slam everything under the same IP together and make up our own continuity".

Apologies on not commenting sooner; I've been busy with testing, which just finished, thankfully.

 

[Kepekley23]

Myth profiles are perfectly fine.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No, making profiles for species are nothing like composite human. A species profile would be for abilities that all members of the species have, regardless of upbringing. A wolf will have enhanced senses, a bear will be 9-B, etc.

A human will not have every skill humanity has ever had. A human species profile would be nearly blank and rated 10-B since humans are the basic assumption for all profiles.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Myth profiles are perfectly fine.

Again, why?

Do we just make an exoection for them or are you saying that they don't fit what a composite profile is?

 

[The_Impress]

I still think these conditions should be addressed in the rules, as this does counter profiles like Composite Human and stuff like that.

 

[Antvasima]

@Dargoo Faust

I would appreciate if you could write up a draft text based on the one that I posted earlier, which you find acceptable, and that allows us to keep Pokemon- and preferably Looney Tunes-style profiles.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Dargoo Faust

I would appreciate if you could write up a draft text based on the one that I posted earlier, which you find acceptable, and that allows us to keep Pokemon- and preferably Looney Tunes-style profiles.

I don't think Looney Tunes is consistent enough for us to have profiles on them, so I don't see how that's possible.

I'm fine with drafting a version that's amicable to Pokemon, although even then I have reservations regarding as treating two of the same Pokemon as effective clones with the same powers, feats, and skills no matter how I draft it.

There is no set of abilities that 'all' members of a species will have besides possibly DNA sequencing; although even then there's variance in regards to that.

For example, the claim 'all developed, healthy adults can walk' is incorrect, as a number of healthy adults can be born paraplegic, and others can be bodybuilders who work their thighs every day of the week. A perfectly average human doesn't exist.

So obviously we're not making the profiles based on commonalities among all members of a species. To go off the rule, and examples of it being applied (Pokemon, for example), we seem to be using the strongest possible interpretation of a member of that species.

I still think these conditions should be addressed in the rules, as this does counter profiles like Composite Human and stuff like that.

I feel like that clause fixes a lot of the issues with the species rules, too.

 

[Antvasima]

I don't think Looney Tunes is consistent enough for us to have profiles on them, so I don't see how that's possible.

I think that it would be better if we continue our discussion in the other thread, as there are more staff members participating there, especially if we are supposed to delete all of the Looney Tunes profiles and similar.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I think that it would be better if we continue our discussion in the other thread, as there are more staff members participating there, especially if we are supposed to delete all of the Looney Tunes profiles and similar.

Alright, I'll copy+paste the stuff I posted here, there.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you.

 

[Jasonsith]

Just read through the Looney Tunes annihilation proposal.

The way Looney Tunes should scale would much affect other comedies with inconsistent crazy feats.

Anytime a new discussion thread is made, please post a link here. Thanks.

 

[Bobsican]

Who are going to replace Mickey Mouse and Godzilla in the Featured section of the wiki? Perhaps just disambiguation pages?

 

[Antvasima]

I do not know. Sorry.

 

[Walker21232123]

Godzilla got a disambiguation pages.

Godzilla (Disambiguation)

 

[Bobsican]

Mickey only has 2 versions around right now (leaving composite at a side), I would go for King Mickey if you ask me, as a disambguation page for only two incarnations that already link to each other may be redundant.

 

[Walker21232123]

should be all the composite profile to a Composite Battles Wiki.

 

[Antvasima]

We probably have to come up with other very popular and distinctive characters to link to instead if Mickey and Godzilla are removed.

 

[Bobsican]

Which would be in that case, however?

A votation likely would be needed to avoid controversy.

 

[The_Impress]

We can actually make the modern Mickey Mouse shorts Mickey and Fantasia Mickey easily, and there is a House of Mouse respect thread for a 9-B Mickey, so we can get to working on them for the linking

 

[Walker21232123]

I go to work on a Scooby Doo timeline.

Some era/Works don't fit the timeline go to be split.

 

[Walker21232123]

a Scooby Doo timeline from Scooby wiki

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Alright, I'll wait for that. I've talked over the subject before, though, so hopefully there's new stuff to be brought to the table.

Still waiting on this. I even talked this over with Saik on Discord, and so far I haven't really been presented with much more than trophy descriptions from Smash.

 

[Jasonsith]

Personally I think Bugs Bunny (and basically most Looney Tunes characters unless specific incarnations can be identified) is so iconic as a cartoon character and especially a Toon Force user that, instead of deleting the profile as a whole, we should simply refrain them from entering into any versus debate thread in the versus board of this site.

The current composite profile imo should stay as is, except LT characters will be banned from any versus debate thread in the versus board of this site. Looney Tunes is so iconic to be removed from any information website about fiction. Just picking a particular canon is so difficult.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

My 2 cents:

I disagree with them getting banned from VS Debating, especially since the VS Battles bugs and his tactics are the same as what he does in Character in the show itself

 

[GoCommitDi]

I agree with I'm Blue tbh, they really shouldnt be banned/deleted

 

[Antvasima]

Before making decisions here, we first have to decide how to properly word our new rule in the other thread.

 

[GojiBoyForever]

I am with Blue and Di.

 

[Joaco0902]

I agree with Blue.

 

[Jasonsith]

So as Ant and Di and Blue says by now:

We refine our wordings on the general rule first.

Warp gate

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

What about King Ghidorah (Composite)?

 

[GojiBoyForever]

Before making decisions here, we first have to decide how to properly word our new rule in the other thread.

 

[DMB_1]

What about King Ghidorah (Composite)?

Same deal as Composite Godzilla, which people (including me) seem to already have agreed to delete.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

That is why there are so many Godzilla profiles, I knew this was gonna happen someday. So I divided the Composite Profile in individual profiles.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I still haven't seen any response on the removal for G&W's High 8-C tier. Considering that Ed has already said that there's legitamate arguments for removing it, and Saikou hasn't responded despite being prompted to this thread and me having brought his attention to it off-site, I would like it to be added to the chopping block on the OP.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

I disagree with Bugs getting split up in the 1st place since we don't have any proof that the comics and the show aren't canon.

Hell, we don't know if even some the EPISODES aren't canon

Thing 2 is that Bugs isn't barney, Bugs has been in plenty of combat situations and much of his hax he uses in combat or offensively

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

since we don't have any proof that the comics and the show aren't canon.
Hell, we don't know if even some the EPISODES aren't canon

Why are we assuming them to be canon in the first place?

Why do we need to disprove their canonicty if they haven't been proven to begin with?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

We don't know if they are even non canon, we can't assume they are or they aren't

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

We don't know if they are even non canon, we can't assume they are or they aren't

I mean, can you give me a solid sequence of events that occur and logically add up for the original toons, comics, etc?

The cartoons aren't meant to be taken as a continuous story. It's just skits and shorts with little to no rhyme or reason between them outside of what's needed to set up the next joke.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

We can't assume if anything in Looney Tunes is canon, you can't index it because we don't know what's canon or what isn't