Comic Anthology

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

I have a question regarding the validity of Monokuma's Comic Anthology physical justifications. The abilities are fine, they don't really matter here.

I saw this and I was a bit let down that the issue was brushed aside.

Specifically, my problems are in the keys themselves.

In the first key, what justifies that the TGH Monokuma Comic Anthology scales to TGH Monokuma Canon?

In the second key, the NWP Monokuma Comic Anthology doesn't scale to NWP Monokuma DGR2.
That's good to hear, but what justifies the scaling of Virus Monokuma Comic Anthology to canon Gundham and being superior to Hajimeme though?

If the keys aren't justified, in my opinion, we will have to change things up and find better ways to apply physical justifications for the current anthology profiles and the potentially upcoming ones. If that is an impossible task, I'd even go as far as to suggest that the deletion is necessary.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Following. Unsure atm

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Alright, that's fine for me. If you've made your opinion, I'd love to hear it out.

 

[ElixirBlue]

I’m not knowledgeable enough to submit an opinion on this topic.

If the keys aren’t valid, what would be the unified tier for the profile?

 

[Antvasima]

@Edwardtruong2006 @Beast_Zero_Gudako @Xanxussama1010 @CrimsonStarFallen @Zencha9 @SpookyShadow @StrymULTRA @TheRustyOne @Adem_Warlock69 @Mariogoods

Would you be willing to help out here?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

If he doesn't scale to the canon Monokuma, he would probably scale to Makoto punching Yasuhiro Hagakure so hard that he was sent flying several meters away, with the punch being powerful enough to cause the latter to lose his memories and Mondo surviving this

 

[SpookyShadow]

Sry but can't help here, I know nothing about Comic Anthology

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

I'm sorry, I'm not knowledgeable regarding the comic.

But from what I know, we do not scale non-canon stuff to canon unless directly stated. Hench why we have some characters with two or profiles.

If nothing indicating the comic anthology scales to canon, then it needs to be changed.

 

[Antvasima]

Gudako is correct.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

I'm sorry, I'm not knowledgeable regarding the comic.

But from what I know, we do not scale non-canon stuff to canon unless directly stated. Hench why we have some characters with two or profiles.

If nothing indicating the comic anthology scales to canon, then it needs to be changed.

Gudako is correct.

Then, if other supporters are interested in keeping them (because it is non-canon):

I'd suggest keeping the physical justifications to unknown (because we can't scale them to canon characters), or create an entirely new scaling chain that all the current Comic Anthology characters and the potentially upcoming ones can use.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

But if no one is interested in doing so, or if what I said above is seemingly impossible to do. Then we'd have to unfortunately delete it.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Contact the one who created the page @Adem_Warlock69

 

[Antvasima]

Which non-canon page do I need to delete?

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Which non-canon page do I need to delete?

If @Adam_Warlock69 has no intention or has no way to change the scaling, (Which would preferably be, separating canon scaling with comic scaling).

If separation of scaling is impossible, then we'd have to delete these profiles:

Monokuma (Comic Anthology)

Monokuma is considered to be the main antagonist of the Danganronpa comic anthologies. He is a strange teddy bear who proclaims to be Hope's Peak Academy's Headmaster. A manipulator, who wants people to experience despair, he initiates the mutual killing games that occur in both games. In...

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Angie Yonaga (Comic Anthology)

Angie Yonaga (夜長 アンジー Yonaga Anjī) is a student in Ultimate Academy for Gifted Juveniles and a participant of the Killing School Semester featured in New Danganronpa V3: Minna no Koroshiai Shin Gakki Comic Anthology. Angie has the title Ultimate Artist (超高校級の「美術部」Chō kōkō-kyū no “bijutsu-bu”...

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But maybe we can hear his solutions first. (An entirely different solution such as making it all unknown by removing all the scaling from/to canon could be a good first step. But in that regard, I won't be able to really contribute much, I am not too into the anthology and I'd assume that probably a few others don't as well, so most of the responsibilities of the comic anthology will be laid on him, and he'll have to ensure that he can proceed with the other steps of making it consistent and so that it doesn't interact with canon scaling).

I'm pretty sure he's already replied in this thread, so I'll just wait for him to see the notifications, and reply here.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

I mean, Does the manga has any feat to scale to?

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

No, so the Comic Anthologies have to create its own scaling chain.

Comic Anthologies have toon force elements here and there, so that property makes it a bit different from the other Danganronpa mangas.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

If there is no feat, shouldn't they be at the very least 10-B?

There is a scan in the profile where Monokuma beat up Hajime and Gundham.

 

[QuasiYuri]

Angie has her own feats tho

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Angie has her own feats tho

Then Monokuma (or at least his V3 key) should scale to her, if V3 is canon to the comic.

 

[QuasiYuri]

It's Anthology's V3, so ig it would scale.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

That's a good start, Comic V3 Monokuma should not scale to canon Exisal, but scale to Wall level Comic V3 Angie.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

If there is no feat, shouldn't they be at the very least 10-B?

There is a scan in the profile where Monokuma beat up Hajime and Gundham.

But wouldn't the Comic Hajimeme, and Comic Gundham (mostly Gundham, because Gundham is most likely stronger) need to display Building level feats for Comic Monokuma's second key to be justified?

The second key's reasoning assumes that:
Comic Monokuma > Comic Gundham and Comic Hajimeme
Comic Gundham = Canon Gundham
Therefore:
Comic Monokuma > Canon Gundham
= Building level

Which I find a bit weird. Unless there's justifications that Comic Gundham has some Building level feats.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

But wouldn't the Comic Hajimeme, and Comic Gundham (mostly Gundham, because Gundham is most likely stronger) need to display Building level feats for Comic Monokuma's second key to be justified?

Like I said, I'm not knowledgeable in the comic.

I'm just saying that if there is no feat, the comic characters could be 10-B since it is the safest assumption.

Since it turned out there are feats and scaling, there is no reason to delete the profiles.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

I forgot to say this, but the 10-B suggestion is a good idea too.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Sorry, I've been replying on smaller batches and with replies that are vague because my computer's not cooperating with me properly, and I may need to fix it soon.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Since the Angie actually has decent justifications for its physicals.
Then, based on your suggestion for safe physical justifications.

Comic DGR 1 Monokuma and Comic DGR 2 Monokuma will get 10-B, and Comic V3 Monokuma gets 9-B for scaling with Comic Angie who has actual wall justifications.

Comic DGR 1/2 Monokuma will stay at 10-B until there are quantifiable and reliable feats to work with.

For Angie's profile, we'd preferably have to avoid scaling her with V3 canon characters, so we'd need new profiles for their comic versions. Which is something I won't be able to do as of now, because I have not read a lot of Comic Anthologies. So someone would most likely need to handle it, which I think Adem Warlock69 is capable of.

Then, I think, with that, we can avoid the initial problems and keep the profiles intact.

 

[Antvasima]

@Adem_Warlock69

Would you be willing to comment here please?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Comic DGR 1 Monokuma is probably 9-B, he one-shot Taka, who's comparable to Mondo. Mondo is stronger than Makoto, who punched Yasuhiro so hard that he was sent flying several meters away, with the punch being powerful enough to cause the latter to lose his memories
Mondo, Leon, and Chihiro also survived this

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Understood.

I have a question though, how strong would be Makoto in this case? Who punched Yasuhiro so hard that he started losing memories.

 

[Antvasima]

Do we need any calculations here?

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

If we could quantify the DGR1 comic feats mentioned, then they'd be more solid of a justification.

Especially this feat, I don't know how to feel about it.

 

[Antvasima]

If you list all of the feats that you need calculated, along with evidence, I could ask some calc group members if they are willing to help.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Comic DGR 1 Monokuma is probably 9-B, he one-shot Taka, who's comparable to Mondo. Mondo is stronger than Makoto, who punched Yasuhiro so hard that he was sent flying several meters away, with the punch being powerful enough to cause the latter to lose his memories
Mondo, Leon, and Chihiro also survived this

For Comic Anthology Danganronpa 1 Monokuma. These are the feats for the first key only. It just feels safer if these could be quantified. Though, I think the feat Mondo, Leon, and Chihiro had is the most important of the bunch, because a lot of characters are included in the shot, which could affect the upcoming scaling chain, especially for the comic anthology profiles that are planned for creation in the future. Maybe.

The second key lacks any mentions of feats, I apologize.

Other profiles do not really scale to Anthology Monokuma profile. So, it doesn't need too much priority. I hope that their schedule isn't disrupted though.