Danganronpa V3: 9-B downgrades

[StrymULTRA]

Alright, so the thing is this

Basically everyone scales to K1-B0's durability feat except, ironically, K1-B0 himself who is just 10-B in AP.

But there are many different issues about this:

• Everyone is 9-B because "Should be able to harm Pre-Upgrades K1-B0" but for 0 reason at all.
• Angie, one of the supposed 9-Bs, was questioning how even a robot like K1-B0 was unable to lift that manhole, and he replies that he couldn't because he wasn't as strong as she thought as he was powerful as a normal human, implying that he's as strong as Angie and the others.
• K1-B0 was thrown from Gonta and Tenko, two of the strongest characters of the V3 cast. And K1-B0 does not work like a normal human, as he is a freaking robot, so is logical that his durability can be higher than his AP.

The proposals are the following:

• Downgrade Shuichi Saihara, Angie Yonaga, Miu Iruma, Tsumugi Shirogane and Kokichi Oma back to 10-B.
• Pre-Upgrades K1-B0 should still have 10-B AP and 9-B Durability
• Gonta and Tenko's feat should be halved between them, as the feat was made from the combined effort of both, making each of them just 1,840,888 Joules each.
• Gonta crushing a kid's skull is not quantifiable from its own at all as ofc is much weaker than an average one. Not only skull crush is just 9-C now but it applies to only adults. So remove the calc on it.
• Downgrade Kaito Momota and Ryoma Hoshi back to the latter's feat (37,619 Joules). They're not fighters like Tenko, their training does not focus on fighting and becoming stronger like she does. One is an astronaut and the other is a tennis player. They have 0 reason to scale from her.

That's all.

EDIT: New stuff has been discussed in the CRT

• K1-B0 durability will be just 10-B too as him tanking it apparentely is an outlier, given that he's potrayed as pretty weak even in durability, so him being a stonewall doesn't make sense, espacially when other humans in DRV3 get killed from giant rocks or have issues with small alligators. Gonta and Tenko still scale tho
• Maki Harukawa scales from Tenko as she's implied to be at least on par with her
• K1-B0's LS in his Post-Upgrades key should be downgraded to Superhuman as kicking away an Exisal is just Striking Strength

 

[Romeu08]

Seems good

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

What about K1-B0 noting that he's "not exactly the most sturdy robot" speaking even durability wise with Shuchi agreeing as such due to the statements with Keebo being the weakest?

 

[StrymULTRA]

What about K1-B0 noting that he's "not exactly the most sturdy robot" speaking even durability wise with Shuchi agreeing as such due to the statements with Keebo being the weakest?

Can you give me link of the scene from where this comes from? I can't find it anywhere.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Can you give me link of the scene from where this comes from? I can't find it anywhere.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Here is just K1-B0 heavily underestimating himself because we are talking about stuntwork, and given that in DR we make literal everyday jobs requiring superhuman stats, stuntwork would require pretty much a similar amount of damage, so not really the best thing.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

So you're telling me that Theory vs Kirumi is now illegitimate? Or am I missing something?

 

[StrymULTRA]

So you're telling me that Theory vs Kirumi is now illegitimate? Or am I missing something?

Kirumi possibly scales to Gonta who has the 1.8 MegaJoule feat in profile.

How the fight is affected is not my business.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

So you're telling me that Theory vs Kirumi is now illegitimate? Or am I missing something?

If this gets accepted, Kirumi becomes half as strong as before
Makes it more one-sided, but not really a stomp

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Also don't see why Maki would scale to Tenko, assassins usually don't fight people head-on

 

[StrymULTRA]

Also don't see why Maki would scale to Tenko, assassins usually don't fight people head-on

Idk man that training of hers sounded even harder.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Pretty sure Gonta and Kirumi didn't train that hard either, doesn't make her stronger than them

 

[StrymULTRA]

I never said that she's stronger, but she should at least be comparable, as an assassin's training definitely is much harder than playing tennis/being an astronaut.

Assassins also need enough physical strenght in case they can't use their weapons.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Ryoma's a bodybuilder, don't see why he shouldn't scale

 

[StrymULTRA]

Alright, fine.

I guess that Maki doesn't scale either, changing the OP.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

So you're telling me Maki is 10-B???

 

[StrymULTRA]

So you're telling me Maki is 10-B???

No, she scales above Ryoma.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

So you're telling me Maki is 10-B???

Lower end 9-B via scaling to Ryoma and Kaito imma guess

 

[RandomGuy2345]

@StrymULTRA you disgust me.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

So Maki isn't comparable to the likes of Kirumi and them?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Also this is what the official Art Book says about K1-B0 durability
"A body that can deform a lot with a considerable impact. You could call it a crumple zone, but his durability is still very questionable for someone who calls himself the Super High School Level Robot…"
There's also this
"A robot, but a Super High School Level one. Due to this questionable merit, Ki-bo became a student on Saishuu Academy. Being a creation of Dr. Iidabashi, the number one mechatronic engineer, he has high learning capabilities, but his performances are all in a very human level so, to be honest, he doesn’t have much going for him as robot!? He was actually designed like this to avoid further tragedies, since he once caused an unforeseen accident that harmed the professor. Then, because of that incident, his AI was reset and he had to relearn everything in a new life, or so he was told. His will to learn lots of to grow closer to people is admirable, but he could have some better functions!?"

 

[StrymULTRA]

Also this is what the official Art Book says about K1-B0 durability
"A body that can deform a lot with a considerable impact. You could call it a crumple zone, but his durability is still very questionable for someone who calls himself the Super High School Level Robot…"

So, his 9-B feat is an outlier? Well, Gonta and Tenko still scale to it, no?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

So, his 9-B feat is an outlier? Well, Gonta and Tenko still scale to it, no?

That wasn't really what I was aiming for Guess so? Gonta and Tenko still performed the feat tho

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Now there's hardly any V3 Danganronpa matchups to do anymore...

 

[StrymULTRA]

That wasn't really what I was aiming for Guess so? Gonta and Tenko still performed the feat tho

Updated the OP again. We should also write a note on his profile to avoid confusion.

 

[Pikaman]

Now there's hardly any V3 Danganronpa matchups to do anymore...

Ima be real with ya chief there is more important things going on in the DRV verse than it’s compatibility with WWE

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Ima be real with ya chief there is more important things going on in the DRV verse than it’s compatibility with WWE

I was actually planning to do other matchups with DRV, but go off.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Ima be real with ya chief there is more important things going on in the DRV verse than it’s compatibility with WWE

Like the YTTD compatibility, it's gone now :'(

 

[Pikaman]

I’m gonna get cooked for this but.. isn’t there just a possibility normal humans in Danganronpa are 9-B? It’s not like that unprecedented

Usually we take actual showings WAYYYY before statements, so I wouldn’t call the feat an outlier

 

[StrymULTRA]

I’m gonna get cooked for this but.. isn’t there just a possibility normal humans in Danganronpa are 9-B? It’s not like that unprecedented

Danganronpa V3 =/= Main Danganronpa.

There are way too feats in Main DR for Tier 9 humans, but both V3 Monokuma and Tsumugi literally died from being crushed from a giant boulder. Gonta's feat of lifting a manhole then throwing it away 5 yards away is viewed as an absurd strenght feat for anyone, or Shuichi and Kaede describe a small alligator as a pretty difficult task. V3 Humans are simply potrayed in a realistic way unlike Main DR ones.

Usually we take actual showings WAYYYY before statements, so I wouldn’t call the feat an outlier

We take how a character is potrayed before illogical stuff.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

@StrymULTRA you disgust me.

Oi, thats uncalled even it's not that serious

So Maki isn't comparable to the likes of Kirumi and them?

Tho i'm curious about this so i need an answer

 

[StrymULTRA]

Tho i'm curious about this so i need an answer

Maki still scales to Ryoma and Kaito, given that she's still focused on combat unlike them.

Kirumi scales to Ryoma still, and possibly to even Gonta in her profile.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Ah okay then

 

[StrymULTRA]

Bump

 

[TheRustyOne]

I agree with the OP.

People shouldn't scale to something unless they have a proper reason for it.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Hm. I wonder... A long time ago, I did a calc in an attempt to upgrade V3's LS via Shuichi hitting a piano but had it rejected cuz it was clearly a striking strength feat in the end. Maybe, I should try to get the kinetic energy of the feat since I already got the mass and speed for it. Idk.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Hm. I wonder... A long time ago, I did a calc in an attempt to upgrade V3's LS via Shuichi hitting a piano but had it rejected cuz it was clearly a striking strength feat in the end. Maybe, I should try to get the kinetic energy of the feat since I already got the mass and speed for it. Idk.

You can probably find the materials made from a piano and calculate the KE needed to destroy it.

Depending on the material, it could result in some solid upgrades.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Hm. I wonder... A long time ago, I did a calc in an attempt to upgrade V3's LS via Shuichi hitting a piano but had it rejected cuz it was clearly a striking strength feat in the end. Maybe, I should try to get the kinetic energy of the feat since I already got the mass and speed for it. Idk.

Uhm, you do realize it needed the help of Maki, Himiko and Post-Upgrades K1-B0, right? Shuichi does not scale to that at all. The way it was done seems too vague to even make it a feat tbf.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Annnnnd there it is...

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

And none of them were actually with Shuichi at the time during the feat, narratively. All of them were doing their own things - Maki, Tsugumi, and Himiko were investigating rooms, and Keebs was fighting, and this was stated explictly. So, I am sure that everybody else weren't with Shuichi to help him. So there is some chance that it could scale to him, plus, the game shows it has a slap/smack effect which flings it away, which is definitely a striking strength feat that can be calced.