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Characters scaled from Katana and Spider-Man need to have their statistics revised
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It was right when he hit it: https://imgur.com/a/E60SlAW
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You should still ask the following members to help out here, so we achieve a higher likelihood of getting this properly done: Kepekley23, Sandman31, Zensum, TheC2, PrinceOfTheMorning, MrKingOfNegativity.
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Aren't Matthew, Eficiente, and Qawsedf already following the thread?
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on that note marvel street tiers should have lightspeed reactions and combat speed based off a lotta shit
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Yeah I'm here. I just don't really know enough calcs/relevant feats that haven't already been mentioned. 9-A to 8-C DC people at least seem to be sorta consistent through durability scaling.
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I wouldn't go down that route since I'm confident I could get just as much, if not much more in anti-feats. Long running comic characters are just inconsistent.
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For almost every Marvel and DC 'FTL dodge' in street tier, one of two things is true:
1. It is a 'laser' weapon that demonstrably is not lightspeed.
2. It's an outlier
And barring those being true, as Qaw brings up, there are dozens of feats in the opposite direction for every individual 'FTL dodge' that allegedly exists.
1. It is a 'laser' weapon that demonstrably is not lightspeed.
2. It's an outlier
And barring those being true, as Qaw brings up, there are dozens of feats in the opposite direction for every individual 'FTL dodge' that allegedly exists.
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Actually, I think that in Marvel, the 8-As are far more controversial than the 7-Cs, considering they scale from gags feats, either of Deadpool or of Wolverine, or from Captain America, whose 8-A calc is apparently controversial.
This is especially weird considering characters like Wolverine, Captain America and Deadpool are potrayed as being approximately on the same level as Daredevil, Punisher and Kingpin.
This is especially weird considering characters like Wolverine, Captain America and Deadpool are potrayed as being approximately on the same level as Daredevil, Punisher and Kingpin.
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So.. is it valid for me to ask for a downgrade of 8-As to 9-As?
Except for those occasional insane durability feat, almost all of them are approximately the same level as Punisher and friends, and these are characters who are shown to be very vulnerable to bullets
Except for those occasional insane durability feat, almost all of them are approximately the same level as Punisher and friends, and these are characters who are shown to be very vulnerable to bullets
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Point being, 8-As and 9-As are shown to be very similiar in terms of actual combat prowess.
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Do they? I can only remember Wolverine ever resisting bullets and that's due to his skeleton. Everyone else only does it with armor or gets shot normally afaik.
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Matt's respect thread for Cap shows an image of Cap resisting a handgun bullet from a Hydra pistol and being completely unscathed, despite it ripping his suit apart.
I also remember Wolvie taking gunshots and emerging completely unscratched, even his suit was in perfect condition, and it isn't even made to withstand bullets.
I also remember Wolvie taking gunshots and emerging completely unscratched, even his suit was in perfect condition, and it isn't even made to withstand bullets.
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Lolwut, that's totally different from their regular potrayals... Deadpool and Wolverine definitely can get damaged by bullets, it's usually how writers get to show their healing factors anyway
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Guys, are we gonna ignore the fact that ******* SPAWN has gotten hurt by bullets at points?
They're basically the walking outlier of every comic universe ever. Taking them seriously is incredibly hard to do unless the notion that they can indeed harm a character is beaten in again and again and again. And even then, they should be taken with a grain of salt.
They're basically the walking outlier of every comic universe ever. Taking them seriously is incredibly hard to do unless the notion that they can indeed harm a character is beaten in again and again and again. And even then, they should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Bullets are technically unrelated to what I'm sayingZark2099 said:
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https://youtu.be/oPQU02g_osw 11:05 relevant
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I'm not super well-read on anything street level, but here are some possible durability feats for Batman:
I'm not a calcer so I'm unsure, but since Batman is right in the middle of these they shouldn't be too much trouble to calc right?
I'm not a calcer so I'm unsure, but since Batman is right in the middle of these they shouldn't be too much trouble to calc right?
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I really don't think we should be using the higher-end explosion durability to determine the tiers of DC's and Marvel's street tier characters (at least for their normal base levels). Virtually none of their striking/AP feats ever compares to such durability and I'm certain you could find comics where even regular/normal humans have survived massive explosions, it mostly just seems to be cases of plot contrivance and/or writers misunderstanding how powerful explosions can be. I mean yeah, death of the author and whatnot, but in these cases I think we should make an exception since DC and Marvel have always been wonky about power levels and having near-nuke like power is just way above their consistent ends.
Street tiers having 9-A for unenhanced to High 8-C at most for very enhanced seems to be the most consistent for actual AP feats, and should probably be what we should be focused on.
Street tiers having 9-A for unenhanced to High 8-C at most for very enhanced seems to be the most consistent for actual AP feats, and should probably be what we should be focused on.
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I'm with Yobo ^^
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Methane is a form of gas so it cannot be measured as a explosion barring it actually behaving like one. only the heat can be assumed to be tanked which is 9-B at most otherwise.Huesito88 said:
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Na the comic didn't say "explosion" that was just me not knowing methane doesn't explode. It said it ignited.
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Didn't it say explosion?
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