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That calc was bunk, and it was decided the feat itself was unquantifiable outside of saying FD's gravity hax has a high range.
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Chainsaw Man discussion thread
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Hmm, hopefully she comes back and it becomes more clear then
I need more Primal Devils bruh
So far all we got is Darkness, Falling, Death and Fire ( two last two of whom didn't even get an appearance so more like two only really... )
Imagine when the war with Death happens we just get multiple Primals going wild in combat
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Was there even a calc? If you're referring to that one sandbox iirc there wasn't even a calc they just put "moon level" based off of the landslides/manipulating Earth's gravity stuff
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I vaguely remember there being an actual calc for it in the thread where it was proposed but then again I could be horrifically misremembering.
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The blog has a work done calc in the ~hundreds of Kilotons range iirc.
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Nah it def has to be a primal fear
Like people used to worship fire as a god for it's destructive ability and their lack of ability to control it
Unless somehow primal fears can stop being primal fears
Like if we managed to explore more of the universe and understand it better I wonder if Darkness would become weakened because we start to fear the vast darkness of space far less then...like weakened to the point of not being a primal no more
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A concept's actual destructive ability is unimportant, all that matters is that it is how feared it is. Fire is more dangerous that falling, but the fear of falling is instinctively ingrained in the human psyche, just like the fear of the dark.
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I mean tbf, fear and worship can be intertwined
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Fire is a primal?
Edit: reply above just loaded for me nvm
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Convinced Alucard was just the earlier incarnation of the control devil.
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Speaking of Alucard, if you were to place him in CSM do you think he'd be a Devil Hunter or would he classify as a devil himself?
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Both
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There was a very half-assed calc iirc and iirc it wasn't even close to moon level
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Semordnilap Devil
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Vampire Devil no?
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I feel like he'd be a mix of the sorts tbh. Although I can see him being the OG blood devil before Power, given the personalities, tendencies and abilities of them.
Like imagine Alucard teaching Power to utilize her blood manipulation to the maximum and causing chaos.
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Is there really such a thing as a "low-tier" Primal? I mean, primal fears are primal because everyone innately has them to some extent. And if you ask me, falling is way scarier than the dark, on account of being nearly as omnipresent, often being much more pressing in the moment, and often not being as readily used in one's own favor. For an example of what I mean with that last one: someone partaking in guerrilla warfare can be afraid of the darkness cuz that's a fun omnidirectional place that people with knives sometimes jump out from. On the other hand, you can also be the person with the knife jumpscaring an unwary fool; in which case, darkness is actually your pal in the moment. If you fall, though; that usually means you got dropped into a punji pit and excruciating pain and imminent death are soon to follow, have fun with that.
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Solar System Makima[Chainsaw Man]
Makima adding 100 years of life from the citizens of Japan to her attack was able to do this: Because of the life expectancy of the Japanese and the number of their population she should have ten billion four hundred sixty-nine million four thousand years to use in her attacks... Conclusion...
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I mean there def seems to be a different in primal devil's power levels
Like now we know for a fact Death is by far the strongest primal due to how universally feared the concept is
Idk about that chief ( Falling>Darkness that is )
Darkness is similar to Death in how it's a universal fear ( the vast infinite darkness of space>>>"falling" in terms of fears )
Even simply the way Darkness was portrayed in comparison to Falling in their battles simply feels like fear of darkness is super crazy strong even for primal devils
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Coomon Lynieryz WSolar System Makima[Chainsaw Man]
Makima adding 100 years of life from the citizens of Japan to her attack was able to do this: Because of the life expectancy of the Japanese and the number of their population she should have ten billion four hundred sixty-nine million four thousand years to use in her attacks... Conclusion...vsbattles.com
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Gotta remember that the JP word used for Falling Devil is wayyy more broad in usage that what an english speaker would normally associate with the word "falling".
There's the instinctive fear of physically falling, the fear of falling into despair, the fear of "falling" in life (career, shool life, etc.)
I'd probably assume that if they are of different strength that Darkness would be stronger, mostly due to it being completely invincible to most attacks (Denji's attack was stopped by some sort of barrier than prevented him from getting close to Darkness).
There's the instinctive fear of physically falling, the fear of falling into despair, the fear of "falling" in life (career, shool life, etc.)
I'd probably assume that if they are of different strength that Darkness would be stronger, mostly due to it being completely invincible to most attacks (Denji's attack was stopped by some sort of barrier than prevented him from getting close to Darkness).
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HuhSolar System Makima[Chainsaw Man]
Makima adding 100 years of life from the citizens of Japan to her attack was able to do this: Because of the life expectancy of the Japanese and the number of their population she should have ten billion four hundred sixty-nine million four thousand years to use in her attacks... Conclusion...
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Tbf to Falling she was holding back cuz she needed to snatch up Asa and Chainsaw Man alive, as per the plan with Kiga. And remember that her just being on Earth absolutely f--ked gravity on a global scale. Plus, she can leverage desolate emotions beyond fear such as nihilism and apathy to strengthen her abilities. Also, her ability to make people remember some of the worst moments of their life makes her absolutely cracked at bringing out those negative emotions that empower her
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I picked up on Falling being a more broad primal fear than just physically falling, but didn't pick up on the intricacies to that extent. Thought she was more accurately summed up as a "L'Appel du Vide" (call of the void) Devil, given her French chef attire and her propensity to make people suffer intense intrusive thoughts.
Keep in mind that this was an earlier Denji who was seriously injured and running on basically zero blood when he tried to hit Darkness Devil, as well as just rushing Darkness down outright. Whereas Part 2 Denji has shown himself to be considerably stronger and more skilled than in Part 1, was in much better shape when he attacked Falling, and had blindsided her.
TL;DR: cease this slander against best girl Falling
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The Death Devil is the strongest devil because all fears in the world inherently tie into the instinctual fear of death. When you fear the darkness and what hides within the unknown, you fear the possibility that traversing into the dark can kill you. When you fear famine, you fear starving to death. When you fear war, you fear being killed in battle. When you fear being controlled, you fear being forced into your death without having a choice to avoid it.
It's ironic how when you think about it, anything that you fear, you only fear because you fear the death that comes with it.
It's ironic how when you think about it, anything that you fear, you only fear because you fear the death that comes with it.
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Death Devil is a Trevor Belmont victim confirmed because death has never frightened him.
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Trevor gets folded by the Sypha Devil (he fears getting forced to sleep on the couch).
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And getting his beer frozen when he implies that it pleasures him better than she can.
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Insert Pochita is actually the Fear Devil fan theory
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