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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

My current Top 10 strongest characters in Chainsaw Man


1. Hero of Hell

2. Death

3. Darkness

4. Falling

5. Makima

6. Prime Yoru ( since she apparently killed Pochita several times during their final war with Chainsaw Devil vs Horseman+Weapons Devils )

7. Gun Devil/Santa ( 7 and 8 interchangable for me )

8. Gun Devil/Santa Claus ( amped by Darkness )

9. Quanxi

10. Can be switched around I guess



- Full Potential Angel is at least top 5 given what Makima could do to Pochita with his abilities ( but still kinda hard to scale )

- I ain't counting Fami cause she still featless ( though she would likely take spot 7 or 6 since she fought Pochita too )

- Also not Nuclear Bombs cause too little known on him still, also not Fire cause still too much not known yet

- Full power Blood Devil ( Power ) is hard to scale, yeah she was ******* up makima but wasn't she amped by Pochita's blood?


Tell me if I missed anyone
 
Lynieryz said:
I'm very curious about these devils: Human Devil, Fear Devil and Devil Devil...
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Fear Devil seems like it would embody the fear of being afraid, which brings to mind the idea of dudes with fragile masculinity being afraid of showing emotion. I'm ngl a Devil that embodies that sounds like a total jobber lol
 
I think Pochita was always the way he is. The metaphor of chainsaws, birth, cannibalism, and sex, are heavily intertwined in Chainsaw Man.
 
Zabazab said:
I think Pochita was always the way he is. The metaphor of chainsaws, birth, cannibalism, and sex, are heavily intertwined in Chainsaw Man.
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Let's be honest here, uh I think those are the more normal themes of chainsaw man.


Literally one of the weirdest verses I know about I ******* over it. (Outside of that Himeno scene. You know the one.)
 
Zabazab said:
You haven't graduated as a CSM fan until you've heard the "Nayuta is Denji's metaphorical daughter born from his incestuous, abusive relationship with Makima" interpretation of Part 1's finale.
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Where is the incest coming from???
 
Zabazab said:
It's metaphorical- Makima is simultaneously an object of Denji's sexual desire, and an object of maternal affection. Makima's name is even derived from "Mama" according to Fujimoto.
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☠️ Fujimoto is weird man... Eating the corpse of a pet fish, pretending to be his non-existent sister and BEING ABLE TO LEVITATE .
 
Zabazab said:
You haven't graduated as a CSM fan until you've heard the "Nayuta is Denji's metaphorical daughter born from his incestuous, abusive relationship with Makima" interpretation of Part 1's finale.
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Yea, it's a really messed-up way of thinking about it, but it's true. I've seen this opinion thrown out there, and it makes sense considering how Makima repeatedly took advantage of him, using her sexuality to keep him attracted to her while holding a clear position of power over him, similar to a mother over her child. And considering how Denji literally ate her in his attempt to become one with her out of love, Nayuta is the product of that act of "love".
 
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I remember seeing something that Makima was based on a girl who bullied Fujimoto, I just don't know if it's true 🤷
 
Lynieryz said:
I remember seeing something that Makima was based on a girl who bullied Fujimoto, I just don't know if it's true 🤷
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It was

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Zabazab said:
You haven't graduated as a CSM fan until you've heard the "Nayuta is Denji's metaphorical daughter born from his incestuous, abusive relationship with Makima" interpretation of Part 1's finale.
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Wow
That’s the first time I heard something like this, and it kinda makes sense?
I always had a different view of the ending of the series and I have almost 0 contact with the Chainsaw Man fanbase
 
Emerald said:
Wow
That’s the first time I heard something like this, and it kinda makes sense?
I always had a different view of the ending of the series and I have almost 0 contact with the Chainsaw Man fanbase
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The parallels get really obvious once it gets pointed out, Denji killing Makima with a Chainsaw (invented to aid childbirth), eating her which he calls "becoming one with her" (she was aroused by the idea of CSM eating her), then because they "became one", a child came into existence, who Denji decides to give the love neither he nor Makima received, freeing her from the cycles of abuse.
 
AnimesFreak2 said:
My current Top 10 strongest characters in Chainsaw Man


1. Hero of Hell

2. Death

3. Darkness

4. Falling

5. Makima

6. Prime Yoru ( since she apparently killed Pochita several times during their final war with Chainsaw Devil vs Horseman+Weapons Devils )

7. Gun Devil/Santa ( 7 and 8 interchangable for me )

8. Gun Devil/Santa Claus ( amped by Darkness )

9. Quanxi

10. Can be switched around I guess



- Full Potential Angel is at least top 5 given what Makima could do to Pochita with his abilities ( but still kinda hard to scale )

- I ain't counting Fami cause she still featless ( though she would likely take spot 7 or 6 since she fought Pochita too )

- Also not Nuclear Bombs cause too little known on him still, also not Fire cause still too much not known yet

- Full power Blood Devil ( Power ) is hard to scale, yeah she was ******* up makima but wasn't she amped by Pochita's blood?


Tell me if I missed anyone
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Thoughts?
 
AnimesFreak2 said:
My current Top 10 strongest characters in Chainsaw Man


1. Hero of Hell

2. Death

3. Darkness

4. Falling

5. Makima

6. Prime Yoru ( since she apparently killed Pochita several times during their final war with Chainsaw Devil vs Horseman+Weapons Devils )

7. Gun Devil/Santa ( 7 and 8 interchangable for me )

8. Gun Devil/Santa Claus ( amped by Darkness )

9. Quanxi

10. Can be switched around I guess



- Full Potential Angel is at least top 5 given what Makima could do to Pochita with his abilities ( but still kinda hard to scale )

- I ain't counting Fami cause she still featless ( though she would likely take spot 7 or 6 since she fought Pochita too )

- Also not Nuclear Bombs cause too little known on him still, also not Fire cause still too much not known yet

- Full power Blood Devil ( Power ) is hard to scale, yeah she was ******* up makima but wasn't she amped by Pochita's blood?


Tell me if I missed anyone
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I think Death is most likely #1 until we learn what Pochita actually is. Especially since Fami's whole plan is powering him and Yoru up so that they can figth Death
 
Giannysmag said:
I think Death is most likely #1 until we learn what Pochita actually is. Especially since Fami's whole plan is powering him and Yoru up so that they can figth Death
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I mean I get what you mean but Prime Pochita fought ALL the Horsemen including Death+all the weapon devils at once

It would make no sense for Death to have teamed up with her other sisters and the weapons devils if she could solo Pochita so easily


Also we know due to Makima's plans back in Act 1...Pochita has been heavily weakened due to most humans praising him now instead of fearing him

So I take in two ways

Either....


A. Fami is trying to undo what Makima did and get Pochita back to full power

or

B. Death has gotten even stronger over the years since Pochita's disappearance and now Pochita needs to surpass his limits
 
AnimesFreak2 said:
I mean I get what you mean but Prime Pochita fought ALL the Horsemen including Death+all the weapon devils at once

It would make no sense for Death to have teamed up with her other sisters and the weapons devils if she could solo Pochita so easily


Also we know due to Makima's plans back in Act 1...Pochita has been heavily weakened due to most humans praising him now instead of fearing him

So I take in two ways

Either....


A. Fami is trying to undo what Makima did and get Pochita back to full power

or

B. Death has gotten even stronger over the years since Pochita's disappearance and now Pochita needs to surpass his limits
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Well It's mentioned that Pochita got killed several times in that fight but kept going because of his regen. Also with fear scaling death would still be stronger since you know it's the fear of death
 
Giannysmag said:
Well It's mentioned that Pochita got killed several times in that fight but kept going because of his regen. Also with fear scaling death would still be stronger since you know it's the fear of death
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Maybe with each death he came back stronger during the fight then?

Also going by fear scaling since we know more fear=more power then Pochita would still be the strongest since he is confirmed several times by characters like the Future Devil and even Makima that he is the devil that devils fear most despite the fact they know of the Primal Devils and have even fought them ( Makima vs Darkness ) and how they are instinctive fears of humanity
 
AnimesFreak2 said:
Maybe with each death he came back stronger during the fight then?

Also going by fear scaling since we know more fear=more power then Pochita would still be the strongest since he is confirmed several times by characters like the Future Devil and even Makima that he is the devil that devils fear most despite the fact they know of the Primal Devils and have even fought them ( Makima vs Darkness ) and how they are instinctive fears of humanity
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Do devils even count when it comes to fear of something, or is it just based on the fear of humans
 
I'm cooking with Makima atm, when one of the 3 ongoing CSM CRTs close I think I'll post a CRT for her.

Like, pretty much every ability stemming from Conquest (Mind/Memory/Body Puppet hax) should be layered.
 
These are the ongoing CRTs, btw.
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Denji regen neg

yeah
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Chainsaw Man: Resistance to transmutation

yeah yeah
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Makima contract clarification.

Time to address the blatant elephant in the room. Currently Makima has a certain ability that is very easily abused by some individuals since the way her profile is worded makes it very easy to apply no limit fallacies. The contract with the Prime Minister. First of all, the explanation...
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Can it be argued that the devils' powers are conceptual because they literally are the concept and their powers come from the concepts that they are?
 
I think it would work and it's so obvious and simple, devils are literally concepts and their powers are applications of that concept, it's so direct and clear that the minimum that could happen is to have a "possible" for that.
 
Devils are born from the fear of a concept, persist because of that fear, and if erased, the concept they were named for is erased as well.

That probably isn't enough for Devil powers being conceptual on-site.
 
I don't Devils are the actual platonic concepts of what they embody. If they were the actual concept of what they embody then nobody would be able to see or touch them.


CSM is a very odd universe because on one hand Devil's are born from a concept that's feared, and if erased by Pochita that concept is also erased, but then on the other side said Devils are not the concepts themselves, are visible, tangible and most of them don't have abilities that reflect that. (I.E universal concepts being affected by their abilities.) So maybe it's a case where it's like manipulation of concepts on a type 3 / personal scale.


Concepts are a pain in the ass on the wiki tbh.
 
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