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Chainsaw Man Mid Tier Speed Upgrade & Calculation Additions

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Introduction
As the title suggests, this CRT will be dedicated to a speed upgrade for the mid-tiers of the verse, along with some additional calcs that should be added to the verse page. This speed upgrade comes from one new calc and a calc that the stronger mid to high tiers have as their combat speed.

Revision
Firstly, the new calc is based on Kishibe blitzing a pre-training Denji during their training with an extremely fast spin kick. After grueling daily training with Kishibe, says that Denji is stronger than before and can take down many more devils more easily. He went from being completely blitzed by Kishibe to managing to land a single hit on him. Considering Kishibe's advanced martial arts skills, genius combat mastery, and title as the strongest devil hunter, skilled enough to briefly keep up with Quanxi, another hunter skilled enough to be regarded as unbeatable in pure bare-knuckle fighting, and known as the strongest humanity has to offer. Denji being able to tag Kishibe at all is significant. Despite Kishibe's superior strength, speed, and incredibly superior combat, he gives Denji a perfect score for his movements in that training session. This implies that post-training Denji should be at most Hypersonic+. "At most" is justified as Kishibe commends his movements, and Denji being able to tag someone who was previously blitzing him heavily is proof of a significant speed increase due to this training. As for Kishibe, he would flat out scale to Hypersonic+, since when fighting faster opponents such as Quanxi, he is constantly outsped and unable to land a hit despite her fighting casually.

Secondly, and probably lastly, Post-Enhanced Katana Man has a feat of blitzing a Fire Devil contractor by utilizing his sword draw dash ability. By crouching down, Katana Man can dash forward at incredible speeds, blitzing his opponents. Post-Training Chainsaw Man was able to react to this attack twice, meaning he should have a baseline scaling to High Hypersonic+. Post-Enhanced Katana Man would also scale to this, meaning his combat speed would now be as fast as his attack speed with sword draw dash.

Scaling
Now with the main scaling lines out the way lets go over who scales to each respective feat

Pre-Training Chainsaw Man

Post-Training Denji is at most Hypersonic+, so his Pre-Training Chainsaw Man key should upscale from this. When Denji transforms into his devil state, he is empowered by the respective concept of chainsaws (learn more about empowerment of devils here and here), which upgrades him from his human physical state to a fear-enhanced physical body. This means he should be superior in speed from his post-training human counterpart while transformed. Therefore, Pre-Training Chainsaw Man should still be superior in speed to Post-Training Denji, hence at least Hypersonic+ when transformed.

Post-Weakening Key
Denji's human state remains relatively the same throughout the current manga, so all his human forms up to the Post-Fear Boost would be at most Hypersonic+ (For clarity Denji is not affected by fear empowerment when he is in human form but rather only when he transforms to his devil state). Regarding the Post-Weakening Chainsaw Man key, he would be slower than before due to the success of Makima's plan of depowering him, which reduced the power devils receive from being feared. Therefore, he should downscale to baseline Hypersonic+ when transformed, as he would be notably weaker than Pre-Training Chainsaw Man.

Post-Fear Boost Key
Should be the same as the Post-Training Key.

Pre-Enhanced Katana Man
Should now be, at least Hypersonic+ when transformed for matching Pre-Training Chainsaw Man in combat.

Post-Enhanced Katana Man

Post-Enhanced Katana Man should be likely Hypersonic+ for being comparable to Post-Training Denji and should have baseline High Hypersonic+ combat speed and attack speed with his sword draw dash when transformed, being relative to Post-Training Chainsaw Man.

Reze
Reze should be at least Hypersonic+ for perception-blitzing Post-Training Denji and should be at least High Hypersonic+ for outspeeding Post-Training Chainsaw Man for the majority of their battle.

Post-Assault Aki
Should be at most High Hypersonic+ for being able to dodge multiple attacks from Bomb Girl using his precognition, albeit he was heavily struggling, and if he made one wrong move, he would have died.

Devil Hunter Santa Claus
Her dolls should now be baseline High Hypersonic+ for being able to chase down and land hits on Post-Training Chainsaw Man.

Darkness Contract Santa Claus

She should be baseline High Hypersonic+ during the day and at least High Hypersonic+ when in darkness, for reasons listed on her profile.

Galgali
Should be baseline High Hypersonic+ for reasons enlisted on his profile.

Beam
Should be at most High Hypersonic+ and baseline High Hypersonic+ when transformed for reasons enlisted on his profile.

Calculation Additions
The current Class M feat that most mid-tiers in the CSM verse scale to is at risk of a downgrade. As a replacement, there are devil weights varying from Class 5 to Class 100, which can serve as a substitute since Denji is superior to these devils both physically and in terms of fear scaling.

Post-Weakening Chainsaw Man: is able to push around the Cockroach devil as shown in the calc, therefore should now scale to Class 100
Post-Chainsaw Man Church Arc Yoru: was able to break out of the Octopus Devil's restraining, and since the Octopus Devil was able to momentarily restrain an Awakened Pochita, she should now scale to at most Class G.
Conclusion
That's all

Agree: (0:4) @Machmatej, @Noes, @That_moron2, @Bruh

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Post-Weakening transformed Denji would get upgraded due to the cockroach devil calc. When fighting he pushes the cockroach devil around, for example when he hits the bat devil.
 
Post-Weakening transformed Denji would get upgraded due to the cockroach devil calc. When fighting he pushes the cockroach devil around, for example when he hits the bat devil.
We need the owner of the Class M calc to fix it before we consider the downgrade
 
I still don't really see a point in Katana Man having two keys, and Denji still gets blitzed twice in chapter 37, but the scaling looks good yeah. Very thorough.
 
I still don't really see a point in Katana Man having two keys, and Denji still gets blitzed twice in chapter 37, but the scaling looks good yeah. Very thorough.
Katana Man has two keys because he was able to fight against a Denji who had just received training from Kishibe. Denji still got blitzed in Chapter 37 because he was unable to keep all of his focus on Katana Man. For example, he was distracted by trying to protect the lady on the train to avoid her getting caught in the crossfire, and the second time, Denji intentionally allowed himself to be blitzed in an attempt to fool Katana Man and make it appear as if he was out of options in the fight.

On another note, I'm planning to update the OP soon with LS scaling
 
Tbh I think Katana Man was just always that strong, hence why Denji got folded in their first fight.
I agree, I'll eventually make a CRT to change up his profile in that case. It was also questionable since Katana Man never actually did any training when he fought Denji for the second time
 
It would also be helpful if someone could get the owner of the Class M calc to make the suggested changes that SunDa left under his blog
 
Is Denji really reacting to the Quick Draw's speed because he's as fast as it? Because it's an attack that's about as telegraphed as you can get, you don't need to be as fast as it to know it's coming.

Not to mention Denji lost two arms to it. If he was that fast, why didn't he just intercept it the first two times?
 
Is Denji really reacting to the Quick Draw's speed because he's as fast as it? Because it's an attack that's about as telegraphed as you can get, you don't need to be as fast as it to know it's coming.

Not to mention Denji lost two arms to it. If he was that fast, why didn't he just intercept it the first two times?
Denji still got blitzed in Chapter 37 because he was unable to keep all of his focus on Katana Man. For example, he was distracted by trying to protect the lady on the train to avoid her getting caught in the crossfire, and the second time, Denji intentionally allowed himself to be blitzed in an attempt to fool Katana Man and make it appear as if he was out of options in the fight.
 
Sure he was distracted the first time, but for the second the argument still holds.

If he was already as fast as the Quick Draw, why would he bother making himself look like he was out of options and set up for a sneak attack?

Consider how much faster Quick Draw is to Katana Man's normal speed. It's a difference of over two dozen times going by calcs, and the difference in-story is a blitz. If Denji was that fast by default, then why didn't he just blitz Katana Man after the second dash when the guy stopped to talk and say that he should apologize for killing his grand-dad?

Absolute disagree from me for scaling post-training Denji to the Quick Draw.

Agree for Kishibe's kick scaling.
 
Sure he was distracted the first time, but for the second the argument still holds.

If he was already as fast as the Quick Draw, why would he bother making himself look like he was out of options and set up for a sneak attack?

Consider how much faster Quick Draw is to Katana Man's normal speed. It's a difference of over two dozen times going by calcs, and the difference in-story is a blitz. If Denji was that fast by default, then why didn't he just blitz Katana Man after the second dash when the guy stopped to talk and say that he should apologize for killing his grand-dad?
In this scenario, Katana Man's combat speed is as fast as his sword-draw dash. The sword-draw dash, in this case, represents his travel speed, which is much harder to react to than his regular combat speed. Even if Denji had reacted to Katana Man's second blitz, he still would have lost his limbs, and Katana Man would now be aware that Denji can defend against it, putting Denji at a massive disadvantage which would possibly lead to his defeat.
 
In this scenario, Katana Man's combat speed is as fast as his sword-draw dash. The sword-draw dash, in this case, represents his travel speed, which is much harder to react to than his regular combat speed.
Admittedly, this is my bad for not reading the OP fully before commenting- meaning I didn't see Katana Man's combat speed would scale to his Quick Draw-.and I'm also sorry for replying with verbal/text-effect theatrics because I know that makes me sound like a total douchebag but just- (warning: Angry Rant Incoming)

How the actual ****, when comparing a move that only works in a straight line, requires someone to get into a crouching position, and starts from outside one's range, is harder to react to than someone's free movements when they are in close-quarters-combat, if the two are THE SAME ******* SPEED?!?!

SERIOUSLY, HOW?!

What are you telling me, is that it is harder to dodge a bullet fired from a gun from someone standing two meters in front of you, than it is to dodge a bullet-speed punch from someone right in your face. If Katana Man was always as fast as Quick Draw, why would he ever bother to use that move?!

What level of powerscaling bullshit says that "Travel Speed is harder to react to than Combat Speed, for the same value of Speed," and how do you unironically believe that?

TRAVEL SPEED AND COMBAT SPEED ARE BARELY REAL THINGS. THEY'RE MADE UP TERMS TO EXPLAIN WHY BATMAN CAN DODGE BULLETS YET STILL NEEDS A CAR. WHAT THE ACTUAL ****. (I am aware that people can fling their limbs faster than they can move their whole body, hence "barely" real, but that's not the problem here.)
 
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Yeah because Katana Man is moving in a completely straight line with his Sword-Draw Dash. But you do have a point with it not scaling to his base speed as inherently it doesn't make much sense, methinks the feat should scale to Chainsaw Man's reaction speed alone, now giving it some thought.

Edit: Or simply Chainsaw Man could just downscale from it, as he was struggling initially and it would clear up the messy scaling as Post-Training Chainsaw Man and Katana Man would be relative in combat speed, but with Katana Man's sword-draw dash now upscaling.
 
Yeah because Katana Man is moving in a completely straight line with his Sword-Draw Dash.
Moving in only a straight line makes an opponent easier to dodge, not harder. That's why Bull-Fight Bosses are a thing.
But you do have a point with it not scaling to his base speed as inherently it doesn't make much sense, methinks the feat should scale to Chainsaw Man's reaction speed alone, now giving it some thought.

Edit: Or simply Chainsaw Man could just downscale from it, as he was struggling initially and it would clear up the messy scaling as Post-Training Chainsaw Man and Katana Man would be relative in combat speed, but with Katana Man's sword-draw dash now upscaling.
So the calc references Anime Denji being statue'd, meaning the anime's canon right? Because in the anime (and in the manga too though it's slightly less obvious), Denji's pant-legs are cut down the middle, and coupled with Kishibe's anime statement "that move you just did was pretty good", this foreshadows Denji's leg-saw attack.

And since Denji had used his leg-saw attack, this means he was transformed when he was fighting Kishibe, meaning At most Hypersonic+ would scale to Transformed Denji's speed rather than Base Denji's speed.

This makes sense numerically, considering someone potentially Mach 20.3 being able to block someone Mach 81.5 from a distance checks out.
 
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Yeah, I never noticed that, which means Denji did transform and Kishibe still defeated him. Though it doesn't defeat the argument of Chainsaw Man downscaling from Katana Man's sword-draw dash.

We can also use this to upscale Kishibe to "at least High 8-C" and Mach 81. However, I'm gonna have to update the OP, later.
 
Yeah, I never noticed that, which means Denji did transform and Kishibe still defeated him. Though it doesn't defeat the argument of Chainsaw Man downscaling from Katana Man's sword-draw dash.
Downscaling's shakey since again, the dash is super telegraphed by Katana Man having to crouch, so Denji scaling to its speed for reacting to it is iffy. Transformed Denji scaling to a casual Kishibe (Mach 20.3) since he managed to cut him is just more solid.
We can also use this to upscale Kishibe to "at least High 8-C" and Mach 81. However, I'm gonna have to update the OP, later.
How come he wasn't already High 8-C / Mach 81? Didn't he fight Quanxi? Or was that too one-sided to count?
 
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Downscaling's shakey since again, the dash is super telegraphed by Katana Man having to crouch, so Denji scaling to its speed for reacting to it is shakey. Transformed Denji scaling to a casual Kishibe (Mach 20.3) since he managed to cut him is just more solid.
It isn’t as "shaky" as you're making it seem. The fact that Denji was struggling to react to Katana Man's sword-draw dash, yet was still able to harm Katana Man despite the immense speed gap, proves that his movements were fast enough to keep up with it, albeit barely. If Chainsaw Man at the time was truly "at most" Mach 20, he would’ve been completely outpaced by Katana Man. He would’ve still been in the process of deploying the chainsaw from his leg while Katana Man would have already finished him off. Additionally, despite moving at such insane speeds, Katana Man didn’t even notice Denji’s chainsaw, which is impossible considering that at the speed he was moving, he should have blitzed Denji before Denji could even pull out his chainsaw.
How come he wasn't already High 8-C / Mach 81? Didn't he fight Quanxi? Or was that too one-sided to count?
Mainly because of the reasons below;
Kishibe's durability comes from taking multiple punches from a carefree Quanxi, and we can't give him the same rating as her in terms of striking strength because he was outsped by her and, in that scene, was unable to land a blow. Additionally, in the novel, it was stated that a serious punch from Quanxi, even if he blocked it, would have completely removed his arm. Him being superior to Yoshida is not applicable since he himself says that if Yoshida is a third-rate hunter, he would be a fourth-rate, placing himself below Yoshida in terms of rank. The current feats he has now would warrant a likely higher rating, as he is far stronger than Denji and Power but still below the High 8-C devil hunters and assassins.
So he would be getting his High 8-C and HH+ scaling based on your current arguments.
 
It isn’t as "shaky" as you're making it seem.
...Today I learned it's spelled "shaky" rather than "shakey."
The fact that Denji was struggling to react to Katana Man's sword-draw dash, yet was still able to harm Katana Man despite the immense speed gap, proves that his movements were fast enough to keep up with it, albeit barely. If Chainsaw Man at the time was truly "at most" Mach 20, he would’ve been completely outpaced by Katana Man.
Admittedly Denji should outright scale to Mach 20 rather than "At most" for managing to cut Kishibe. "At least" if I'm being generous.
He would’ve still been in the process of deploying the chainsaw from his leg while Katana Man would have already finished him off. Additionally, despite moving at such insane speeds, Katana Man didn’t even notice Denji’s chainsaw, which is impossible considering that at the speed he was moving, he should have blitzed Denji before Denji could even pull out his chainsaw.
Katana Man didn’t notice the leg-saw because Denji went out of his way to focus Katana Man's attention to his headsaw. That was the thing behind "A beast should never trust a hunter." It's not a speed thing, he wasn't looking at the right spot.

Also Quick Draw is only his attack speed, not his reaction speed. And Denji's leg only had to move a shorter distance than Katana Man's dash, meaning he could've pulled it off even if he were slower.
So he would be getting his High 8-C and HH+ scaling based on your current arguments.
...This reminds me that Yoshida's strength makes absolutely no sense. (And I don't mean specifically on this wiki, I mean in general.)
  • Gives Quanxi a bloody nose.
  • "A serious hit from you would kill me."
  • Threatens to give Fami "the devil treatment."
  • Octopus gets cut apart by Yoru.
  • Octopus somehow makes Pochita cough up Ears
  • Offscreened Next Chapter
 
Admittedly Denji should outright scale to Mach 20 rather than "At most" for managing to cut Kishibe. "At least" if I'm being generous.
That's a Post-Training Chainsaw Man, after receiving daily grueling training from Kishibe. Based on my claims and scaling above, he should be fine at "at most" Mach 81, with Kishibe upscaling from that.
Katana Man didn’t notice the leg-saw because Denji went out of his way to focus Katana Man's attention to his headsaw. That was the thing behind "A beast should never trust a hunter." It's not a speed thing, he wasn't looking at the right spot.
That doesn't defeat my argument though;
He would’ve still been in the process of deploying the chainsaw from his leg while Katana Man would have already finished him off.
Also Quick Draw is only his attack speed, not his reaction speed. And Denji's leg only had to move a shorter distance than Katana Man's dash, meaning he could've pulled it off even if he were slower.
This actually supports my point. Not only is "at most" Mach 81 comfortably slower than Katana Man's sword-draw dash, which upscales from Mach 81, but Denji would have been severely blitzed regardless, especially given the speed difference, if he were only Mach 20, despite the distance.
Octopus somehow makes Pochita cough up Ears
That falls into the lifting strength category.
 
That's a Post-Training Chainsaw Man, after receiving daily grueling training from Kishibe. Based on my claims and scaling above, he should be fine at "at most" Mach 81, with Kishibe upscaling from that.
Tha's what you proposed. Post-Training Chainsaw Man being Mach 20 / At least Mach 20 is what I proposed.
That doesn't defeat my argument though;
I already addressed that.
This actually supports my point. Not only is "at most" Mach 81 comfortably slower than Katana Man's sword-draw dash, which upscales from Mach 81, but Denji would have been severely blitzed regardless, especially given the speed difference, if he were only Mach 20, despite the distance.
1. "At most" implies potentially equal speed, which undermines the fact that Denji won because he outsmarted Katana Man.

2. 4x is not enough for a "severe blitz" despite distance. A 3x speed gap being a "blitz" is only for match-ups here.

3. The Sword Draw Dash doesn't upscale from Mach 81, it was calc'd at Mach 81. It is Mach 81.

I'd put two options for how to scale Mid-Tiers in the OP, and see which one the mods vote for. AKA the only votes that matter.
 
I already addressed that.
You didn’t fully address my main point. Katana Man should have already finished off Denji before he could complete the deployment of the leg-saw. You only explained the misdirection tactic and the difference in distances, but you didn’t address my specific point about the timing. You only responded to part of my argument.
1. "At most" implies potentially equal speed, which undermines the fact that Denji won because he outsmarted Katana Man.
"At most" is used to denote the upper limit of a character, if the exact value is indeterminate. For example, if a character's exact speed isn't known but we know they aren't faster than a particular speed (Mach 81), we would say that their speed is "at most" that value. It sets a ceiling or maximum boundary, meaning the character could be anywhere up to that level but not exceed it.

In this case, Denji does not exceed that value, while the sword-draw dash is "at least," which denotes the lower cap, meaning the sword-draw dash would be exceeding Mach 81.

This doesn’t undermine the tactic Denji used to win, it actually supports it. The fact that Denji couldn’t rely on physical speed alone to win the fight, due to Katana Man’s sword-draw dash being faster, means Denji would be outsped in a straight-up speed contest. Showing that Denji is slower ("at most" Mach 81) and Katana Man's sword-draw dash is faster ("at least" Mach 81) supports the narrative that Denji’s relatively inferior speed played a role in his tactic. This is far more realistic than assigning Denji a completely unrealistic speed, which would have allowed him to be blitzed regardless of his actions.
4x is not enough for a "severe blitz" despite distance. A 3x speed gap being a "blitz" is only for match-ups here.
Yes, it is, considering by your logic, Denji would be downscaling from Mach 20.3, while Katana Man’s sword-dash would be 4x faster than someone Denji struggled to even land a hit on, even when Denji was at a relatively close distance with Kishibe and still barely scratched him. It makes no sense for that same Denji to use the same tactic on someone moving 4x faster than him. Not only that, but you can clearly see both of them accelerating and clashing at a relative pace, despite Denji having the inferior speed here. Along with my previous point still standing.
The Sword Draw Dash doesn't upscale from Mach 81, it was calc'd at Mach 81. It is Mach 81.
Sword-Draw Dash is able to outspeed Denji which is why it upscales, here's another scenario where Denji blocked a sword-draw dash albeit barely.
I'd put two options for how to scale Mid-Tiers in the OP, and see which one the mods vote for. AKA the only votes that matter.
Not really necessary imo.
 
You didn’t fully address my main point. Katana Man should have already finished off Denji before he could complete the deployment of the leg-saw. You only explained the misdirection tactic and the difference in distances, but you didn’t address my specific point about the timing. You only responded to part of my argument.
The difference in distances accounts for the differences in timing, that's how speed works.
"At most" is used to denote the upper limit of a character, if the exact value is indeterminate. For example, if a character's exact speed isn't known but we know they aren't faster than a particular speed (Mach 81), we would say that their speed is "at most" that value. It sets a ceiling or maximum boundary, meaning the character could be anywhere up to that level but not exceed it.
Semantics You're not wrong there, I just don't like the look of it.
In this case, Denji does not exceed that value, while the sword-draw dash is "at least," which denotes the lower cap, meaning the sword-draw dash would be exceeding Mach 81.
How does the Sword Draw Dash exceed Mach 81 when it was calc'd to be Mach 81?
This doesn’t undermine the tactic Denji used to win, it actually supports it. The fact that Denji couldn’t rely on physical speed alone to win the fight, due to Katana Man’s sword-draw dash being faster, means Denji would be outsped in a straight-up speed contest. Showing that Denji is slower ("at most" Mach 81) and Katana Man's sword-draw dash is faster ("at least" Mach 81) supports the narrative that Denji’s relatively inferior speed played a role in his tactic. This is far more realistic than assigning Denji a completely unrealistic speed, which would have allowed him to be blitzed regardless of his actions.
Except that it's not unrealistic, because Denji would not have been blitzed "regardless of his actions" if he were At least Mach 20.3
Yes, it is, considering by your logic, Denji would be downscaling from Mach 20.3
He doesn't downscale from Mach 20.3, he either scales to or scales above it, I already said that-
...Today I learned it's spelled "shaky" rather than "shakey."

Admittedly Denji should outright scale to Mach 20 rather than "At most" for managing to cut Kishibe. "At least" if I'm being generous.
while Katana Man’s sword-dash would be 4x faster than someone Denji struggled to even land a hit on, even when Denji was at a relatively close distance with Kishibe and still barely scratched him.
That one instance of Kishibe's kick isn't representative of his top speed.
It makes no sense for that same Denji to use the same tactic on someone moving 4x faster than him. Not only that, but you can clearly see both of them accelerating and clashing at a relative pace, despite Denji having the inferior speed here. Along with my previous point still standing.
They were not accelerating at a relative pace. You're only looking at the panel where they clash, the previous page shows that Denji started moving before Katana Man did, note the speed lines on Denji and the lack of them on Katana Man, when he replies "Idiot!!" Denji doesn't need to be close to Katana Man's speed in order to set up the legsaw if he starts to move before Katana Man does.
Sword-Draw Dash is able to outspeed Denji which is why it upscales, here's another scenario where Denji blocked a sword-draw dash albeit barely.
Again, Denji knew that the dash was coming because of it's set up, and Katana Man doesn't automatically dash the moment he starts crouching.
Not really necessary imo.
Well I'm asking for overview from staff members anyway.

Also Yoru should not be At Most Class G for cutting out of Octopus. Durability =/= Lifting Strength, that's a Spider-Silk moment on Octopus. (Where resistance to being pulled apart is way above resistance to being cut), meaning the scaling to Makima doesn't hold.
 
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Bump? I agree with the calc additions and Kishibe kick scaling. Not the katana man thing tho
 
Admittedly, this is my bad for not reading the OP fully before commenting- meaning I didn't see Katana Man's combat speed would scale to his Quick Draw-.and I'm also sorry for replying with verbal/text-effect theatrics because I know that makes me sound like a total douchebag but just- (warning: Angry Rant Incoming)

How the actual , when comparing a move that only works in a straight line, requires someone to get into a crouching position, and starts from outside one's range, is harder to react to than someone's free movements when they are in close-quarters-combat, if the two are THE SAME *** SPEED?!?!

SERIOUSLY, HOW?!

What are you telling me, is that it is harder to dodge a bullet fired from a gun from someone standing two meters in front of you, than it is to dodge a bullet-speed punch from someone right in your face. If Katana Man was always as fast as Quick Draw, why would he ever bother to use that move?!

What level of powerscaling bullshit says that "Travel Speed is harder to react to than Combat Speed, for the same value of Speed," and how do you unironically believe that?

TRAVEL SPEED AND COMBAT SPEED ARE BARELY REAL THINGS. THEY'RE MADE UP TERMS TO EXPLAIN WHY BATMAN CAN DODGE BULLETS YET STILL NEEDS A CAR. WHAT THE ACTUAL ****. (I am aware that people can fling their limbs faster than they can move their whole body, hence "barely" real, but that's not the problem here.)
...With one month of hindsight, I think I might've overreacted here.
 
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