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Would he use it though? He only did the Large Size thing once iirc, and not even in a battle
Actually, he used it during the battle with the Watcher. He instantly grew massively larger than the Milky Way and than bite it, creating a huge multi-galaxy explosion that hit the Watcher. If he wants he can do the same here.
 
Actually, he used it during the battle with the Watcher. He instantly grew massively larger than the Milky Way and than bite it, creating a huge multi-galaxy explosion that hit the Watcher. If he wants he can do the same here.
That was a one time thing against a very specific threat, so he'll probably go that route if the other options would fail
 
That was a one time thing against a very specific threat, so he'll probably go that route if the other options would fail
Hey Gilad my Good man
Explain to me how Cat will be able to successfully evade several numerous quick moving homing energy beams that are destroying all available land cat can walk on when he's been it numerous times by attacks of far less range and AoE by characters in his own verse
 
Hey Gilad my Good man
Explain to me how Cat will be able to successfully evade several numerous quick moving homing energy beams that are destroying all available land cat can walk on when he's been it numerous times by attacks of far less range and AoE by characters in his own verse
In the same way Ultron can always avoid Cat Blanc's attacks without instictive reactions
 
In the same way Ultron can always avoid Cat Blanc's attacks without instictive reactions
Ultron can avoid Cat with

Flight which Cat cant do
Teleportation which Cat cant do
DT which Cat cant do
Enhance Sense and ESP which will allow him him to sense and percieve all of Cats attacks
Energy Beams which can cancel out Cataclysms
Energy Absorption and Power Null which cancels Cataclysms
Cat cant sneak attack Ultron who is miles in the air and Cat cant fly
Ultron doesnt need Instinct Reactions when he can see Cataclysm coming from miles away from the ground and all he needs to do is side step and they miss

Cat does not have these advantages to dodge and evade Ultrons atracks and Cat is helpless against hax which Ultron wont slouch around too long to use
 
Ultron can avoid Cat with

Flight which Cat cant do
With space power up, he can fly and survive in space
Teleportation which Cat cant do
DT which Cat cant do
Enhance Sense and ESP which will allow him him to sense and percieve all of Cats attacks
Cat Blanc has enhanced senses as well so he could easily do the same to Ultron
Energy Beams which can cancel out Cataclysms
Even regular Cataclysms can destroy energy attacks. Using Energy blasts against Mega Cataclysm will cause the attacks to disintigrate
Energy Absorption and Power Null which cancels Cataclysms
Cat cant sneak attack Ultron who is miles in the air and Cat cant fly
Ultron doesnt need Instinct Reactions when he can see Cataclysm coming from miles away from the ground and all he needs to do is side step and they miss
Still doesn't mean he'll be able to do it forever. And as I said, Cat Blanc can use his baton to get Ultron even if he flies, or he could use the space power up to fly as well (since Cat Noir still kept them when he got akumatized)
 
Heh?
(I dont understand the question)
Regardless of if he uses End of World Cataclysm or not my point still stands

Its a suicide move, on which he is fully aware will kill him if he decides to use it and which ultron would still be capable of dodging via DT or negating via energy absorption, power null, reality warping

And he can always by himself time to think with time stop
Also if Ultron wants he can just use Large Size Type 7 and bust the galaxy killing Cat and unlike Cat's End of World Cataclysm, this takes no charge time to do
 
With space power up, he can fly and survive in space
True (thats a better argument than baton). Ultron still spams Teleportation and DT though so he still has aerial advantage

Also if that starts flying ultron will me be more proned to use hax because that usually when he starts getting haxy
Cat Blanc has enhanced senses as well so he could easily do the same to Ultron
Cat Senses only covers hearing which only extends to paris and night vision. Ultron senses connects to his esp and cosmic awareness which gives him multiversal range in sight and hearing

Even regular Cataclysms can destroy energy attacks. Using Energy blasts against Mega Cataclysm will cause the attacks to disintigrate
Single shot cataclysm isnt cancelling out multiple several numerous energy beams at once though
Still doesn't mean he'll be able to do it forever.
He can do it far longer than cat given their differences in stamina and cat will burn out first
And as I said, Cat Blanc can use his baton to get Ultron even if he flies
And then Ultron destroys the baton with beams or reality hax like he did against that once guy who threw thousands of hammers at him
Or he could use the space power up to fly as well (since Cat Noir still kept them when he got akumatized)
If he starts flying up to Ultron
Ultron will take innitiative to get serious and might just use Telekinesis hax (which cat can do nothing about)
Why is bitting Cataclysm a good idea for an Ultron Wincon?
It kinda isnt...
But if Cat is gonna go with using a suicide attack Ultron can either stop him with hax which often does or dodge with DT which he regularly uses

If Cat blows himself up Ultron wins by default as any failed self destruct move always is
 
But if Cat is gonna go with using a suicide attack
Bold; he doesn’t needs that.
Ultron can either stop him with hax which often does or dodge with DT which he regularly uses
This is mixing two different things into one. Ultron uses DT within fights, but not in order to dodge and if often involves getting into range with someone he's fighting with in order to keep up the fight elsewhere, something that's entirely different and counterproductive from what you’re proposing here where Ultron is way more passive. The only otherwise instance that I recall was using it so to counter a BFR, which, funnily enough, involved him taking the blast first.
If Cat blows himself up Ultron wins by default as any failed self destruct move always is
Chat Blanc doesn’t needs to destroy himself with his cataclysm. That's just what he chose to do as part of destroying everything that meant something to him, not an specific target.
 
True (thats a better argument than baton). Ultron still spams Teleportation and DT though so he still has aerial advantage

Also if that starts flying ultron will me be more proned to use hax because that usually when he starts getting haxy

Cat Senses only covers hearing which only extends to paris and night vision. Ultron senses connects to his esp and cosmic awareness which gives him multiversal range in sight and hearing


Single shot cataclysm isnt cancelling out multiple several numerous energy beams at once though
Yes it would since the energy will just continue going while Ultron keeps firing the attacks
He can do it far longer than cat given their differences in stamina and cat will burn out first
Cat Blanc can continiously fight for months without tiring, so that isn't a factor here, as they won't fight for months
And then Ultron destroys the baton with beams or reality hax like he did against that once guy who threw thousands of hammers at him

If he starts flying up to Ultron
Ultron will take innitiative to get serious and might just use Telekinesis hax (which cat can do nothing about)
Cat would just fly back if he's throw away though?
 
Cat would just fly back if he's throw away though?
um no?
Cat has like 7-B durability or something
While Ultron's AP and Striking strength are all Universe level + lifting strength is multi-galactic now way he's not getting crushed by TK
every single thing he can do is enough to kill Cat Blanc.
 
Ohh cool
Ultron has in character insta Galaxy Nuke
This is mixing two different things into one. Ultron uses DT within fights, but not in order to dodge and if often involves getting into range with someone he's fighting with in order to keep up the fight elsewhere, something that's entirely different and counterproductive from what you’re proposing here where Ultron is way more passive. The only otherwise instance that I recall was using it so to counter a BFR, which, funnily enough, involved him taking the blast first.
Fair but ultron still knows how to evade and uses DT whenever he wants to get from place to place regardless. And by that Logic Ultron could warp right in front of cat and point blank Massive AoE attack him so it still only helps ultron.

Also ultron taking attacks from other characters who know more about ultron cant be used for Cat when he knows nth about his patterns techniques and moves
Chat Blanc doesn’t needs to destroy himself with his cataclysm. That's just what he chose to do as part of destroying everything that meant something to him, not an specific target.
He would have destroyed himself since he said it would have done so and bunny girl seeing the future disappear confirms that he's gone
Nth suggests he would survive the end of the world
 
Yes it would since the energy will just continue going while Ultron keeps firing the attacks
Ohh
Your talking about AoE cataclysm
Well ultron has own galaxy nuke which is in character for him to use and Cat has no feats of stopping galactic destruction
Cat Blanc can continiously fight for months without tiring, so that isn't a factor here, as they won't fight for months
Fight for months?
When did that happen?
And Ultron would resort to Telekinesis within the first minute as its an in character starting moving on multiple occassions

How does cat stop telekinesis from killing him?
Cat would just fly back if he's throw away though?
Telekinesis counters
 
Ohh cool
Ultron has in character insta Galaxy Nuke
That used only once against a very specific opponent and not in his numerous fights against the Avengers to annihalate them all?
Fair but ultron still knows how to evade and uses DT whenever he wants to get from place to place regardless. And by that Logic Ultron could warp right in front of cat and point blank Massive AoE attack him so it still only helps ultron.
But would he do it? You keep making scenarios that will basically never happen to justify your reasoning for Ultron winnings. All of these relies on Ultron doing very specific things that will usualy require Ultron to have knowledge he wouldn't normally have in this fight
Also ultron taking attacks from other characters who know more about ultron cant be used for Cat when he knows nth about his patterns techniques and moves
Doesn't mean he'll act in a completely ooc way just because of that. Due to SBA he stays in character, and not will instantly lead with something he wouldn't normally do against a random opponent
 
Ohh
Your talking about AoE cataclysm
Well ultron has own galaxy nuke which is in character for him to use and Cat has no feats of stopping galactic destruction
He only did that once, so why would he lead with that against someone random?
Fight for months?
When did that happen?
Yeah, read the stamina description. He scales from Aspik, who fought for more than two months against a villain. All Superheroes are comparable to each other in terms of physical AP and stamina as they're all powered by the same power source, which is their miraculous
 
That used only once against a very specific opponent
Wrong
He also did so against the guardians and during his conquest after killing thanos
But would he do it? You keep making scenarios that will basically never happen to justify your reasoning for Ultron winnings. All of these relies on Ultron doing very specific things that will usualy require Ultron to have knowledge he wouldn't normally have in this fight
He was literally doing this against the watcher
Warping infront of him and attacking him
Doesn't mean he'll act in a completely ooc way just because of that. Due to SBA he stays in character, and not will instantly lead with something he wouldn't normally do against a random opponent
True
 
He only did that once, so why would he lead with that against someone random?
Three times actually
Yeah, read the stamina description. He scales from Aspik, who fought for more than two months against a villain. All Superheroes are comparable to each other in terms of physical AP and stamina as they're all powered by the same power source, which is their miraculous
Alright fair play
I just knew i never saw cat doing this himself
 
But would he do it? You keep making scenarios that will basically never happen to justify your reasoning for Ultron winnings. All of these relies on Ultron doing very specific things that will usualy require Ultron to have knowledge he wouldn't normally have in this fight
Also Fun Fact
Another thing he did was erase all trace of life on a planet simply by appearing
Simply appearing could kill Cat as he has no resistance

And again
Telekinesis is both in character and a starting move
How does Cat counter?
 
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Ohh cool
Ultron has in character insta Galaxy Nuke
"Humans aren’t usually this hard to kill"
Fair but ultron still knows how to evade and uses DT whenever he wants to get from place to place regardless. And by that Logic Ultron could warp right in front of cat and point blank Massive AoE attack him so it still only helps ultron.
Underline; Which logic under what basics exactly my statements has anything relating to Ultron warping himself with dimensional portal into proximity?

Bold; If you watched the clip above, you'll notice that the solution you just brought for Ultron is not better than bitting Cataclysm.

Also ultron taking attacks from other characters who know more about ultron cant be used for Cat when he knows nth about his patterns techniques and moves
Because Zombie Wanda knows everything about him.

Dodging patterns wouldn’t change here because this isn’t a linear attack.
He would have destroyed himself since he said it would have done so and bunny girl seeing the future disappear confirms that he's gone
Nth suggests he would survive the end of the world
Read my comment again. I never said he would in that instance.
 
"Humans aren’t usually this hard to kill"
Coming from same guy who could kill planets worth of humans
Underline; Which logic under what basics exactly my statements has anything relating to Ultron warping himself with dimensional portal into proximity?
I was more reffering to ultron just breaking through space-time which he seemed to like doing against the watcher

Whats stopping ultron from just breaking through space-time to get to Cat
Bold; If you watched the clip above, you'll notice that the solution you just brought for Ultron is not better than bitting Cataclysm.
That entirely depends on exactly when he'll resort to AoE cataclysm
And btw he only ever did so ONCE under intense emotional pressure
Because Zombie Wanda knows everything about him.

Dodging patterns wouldn’t change here because this isn’t a linear attack.
Again AoE cataclysm was only ever done once and under a apecific state of mind
Cat normally resorts to dodge ball cataclysms in character
Read my comment again. I never said he would in that instance.
OOF
Sorry 😥😥😥
 
Comming from guy who could planets worth of humans
But only shrugged an avalanche of zombies after being buried so.
I was more reffering to ultron just breaking through space-time which he seemed to like against the watcher

Whats stopping ultron from just breaking through space-time to get to Cat
Ultron uses DT within fights, but not in order to dodge and if often involves getting into range with someone he's fighting with in order to keep up the fight elsewhere, something that's entirely different and counterproductive from what you’re proposing here where Ultron is way more passive. The only otherwise instance that I recall was using it so to counter a BFR, which, funnily enough, involved him taking the blast first.
Getting cataclysed

That entirely depends on exactly when he'll resort to AoE cataclysm
And btw he only ever did so ONCE under intense emotional pressure
Again AoE cataclysm was only ever done once and under a apecific state of mind
Cat normally resorts to dodge ball cataclysms in character
Twice.

And bold; he only did so because he’s not aiming to kill Ladybug, he needs her to surrender and give him her Miraculous so to return everything as it used to be before he killed her back then.
 
But only shrugged an avalanche of zombies after being buried so.
And also wiping the surface of a planet clean 😀
(I can keep this up as long as possible)

Getting cataclysed
What stops Cataclysm from being i dont know evaded, absorbed or nulled by reality warping?
I usually refer to AoE and End of World cataclysm as too different things. Personal habit

Why?
One ends the world and other doesnt
And bold; he only did so because he’s not aiming to kill Ladybug, he needs her to surrender and give him her Miraculous so to return everything as it used to be before he killed her back then.
Im talking when he killed Ladybug and HM and nuked paris
He was clearly in a destraught emotional state where he couldnt control himself
 
And also wiping the surface of a planet clean 😀
(I can keep this up as long as possible)
Those are two different instances.
Im talking when he killed Ladybug and HM and nuked paris
So do I
He was clearly in a destraught emotional state where he couldnt control himself
He could control himself, he didn’t knew what to do between destroying Hawk Moth and destroying Ladybug, so he resorted to destroy everything.

And the point is that "ball cataclysm" has only been used in instances when it was meant to be non-lethal, as targeting Ladybug means that the Ladybug Miraculous would gone for good of she actually gets hit, something that goes against his goals. And as soon that that became worthless for him, he resorted to sheer size. Ultron doesn’t has this going for him.
 
Why would Blanc go for the galaxy nuke instantly? The current reasoning makes zero sense. "He held back because he needed the miraculous". Um, yeah and? Guess what he's not getting if he decides to nuke himself and the galaxy over some random robot who wants to pick a fight? This entire line of thinking only works if he gets teleported into a fight literally right after he realizes Ladybug won't cooperate.

So, that only leaves Blanc making an aoe that split the Moon. Something he only went for under intense stress. What line of reasoning is there to assume he'll use this against some random right off the bat?
 
Why would Blanc go for the galaxy nuke instantly? The current reasoning makes zero sense. "He held back because he needed the miraculous". Um, yeah and?
That's an answer towards the Cataclysm blasts used against Ladybug. And the basis comes down to the point that when the need of the Miraculouses became secondary for him, then the AoE came to be. Or does he uses regular cataclysm against normal targets?
Guess what he's not getting if he decides to nuke himself and the galaxy over some random robot who wants to pick a fight?
You know he doesn’t needs to nuke himself? The only reason that was going to happen if because he aimed to destroy the universe, not an specific target. He can cover at least over a galaxy before affecting himself.
This entire line of thinking only works if he gets teleported into a fight literally right after he realizes Ladybug won't cooperate.
What.
What line of reasoning is there to assume he'll use this against some random right off the bat?
That he did once he had no reason to hold anything back.
 
Those are two different instances.
True
But still things he did
So do I
He could control himself, he didn’t knew what to do between destroying Hawk Moth and destroying Ladybug, so he resorted to destroy everything.
Hmm
Thats accurate enough
But he still was gonna use projectile cataclysm
Its only after the emotional pressure got to him did he went for AoE cataclysm
And again he still has not done than consistently in character

A one time event under a specific circumstance is not enough to say its something he'll resort to casually
And the point is that "ball cataclysm" has only been used in instances when it was meant to be non-lethal, as targeting Ladybug means that the Ladybug Miraculous would gone for good of she actually gets hit, something that goes against his goals. And as soon that that became worthless for him, he resorted to sheer size. Ultron doesn’t has this going for him.
True
But there is nothing in canon to suggest Cat would start of with lethal overwhelming AoE cataclysm just because its not ladybug
That's head canon

And even then
Ultron starts with Telekinesis which crushes Cat instantly and still has energy absorption and power nullification and reality warping to counter cataclysms
 
But he still has gonna use projectile cataclysm
Its only after the emotional pressure got to him did he went for AoE cataclysm
And again he still has not done than consistemlntly in character
But there is nothing in canon to suggest Cat would start of with lethal overwhelming AoE cataclysm just because its not ladybug
That's head canon
Chat Blanc has never used projectile cataclysm as meanings to kill (He blatantly misses them at instances). He only has done AoE Cataclysm on that.
Ultron starts with Telekinesis which crushes Cat instantly
Need a scan of this. Only recall him using TK to pull and ragdoll others.

and still has energy absorption and power nullification
He still takes the blow.
 
Chat Blanc has never used projectile cataclysm as meanings to kill (He blatantly misses them at instances). He only has done AoE Cataclysm on that.
Which again was a one time thing under a specific circumstance and something you cant say for certain he would use casually just because its ultron

Nth suggests he would use AoE cataclysm

(This is honestly the fault of the developers for giving Blanc too little screen time and not making him diverse enough)
Need a scan of this. Only recall him using TK to pull and ragdoll others.
Telekinesis in general he can use off the bat to bind cat and when that happens cat will be unable to do anything and be completely at Ultron's mercy
Against Thor he straight up energy absorbed without being hit
And he had used RW to neg attacks before
 
Which again was a one time thing under a specific circumstance
Twice.
and something you cant say for certain he would use casually just because its ultron
It's because he's not Ladybug.
Nth suggests he would use AoE cataclysm
Lesser things suggest that he would use blast cataclysm, so what are you proposing he would do, then?
Telekinesis in general he can use off the bat to bind cat and when that happens cat will be unable to do anything and be completely at Ultron's mercy
Pulling Chat Blanc into proximity is not stopping him from attacking.
Against Thor he straight up energy absorbed without being hit
Viva Las Vegas.
 
Correction
It was a two time thing that happened under two specific situation

It's because he's not Ladybug.
And that sucks for blanc because he has never thought against any opponent besides ladybug
Lesser things suggest that he would use blast cataclysm, so what are you proposing he would do, then?
I dont know because blanc has never fought any opponent besides ladybug and every "in-character" thing he would resort to is total speculation based on nth substancial

You say he uses non lethal cataclysm cause he wasnt trying to kill ladybug at first
Nth suggest he would go reserved or all out against other characters

You say he'd start heavy with AoE cataclysms he has only ever used under specific circumstances due to specific reason
Nth suggest he would start heavy or light against other characters

Cat blanc appearance is just too limited and what he would do against opponents who are not ladybug is all up to head canon to decide

Pulling Chat Blanc into proximity is not stopping him from attacking.
1. Telekinesis binds opponents so cat wont be able to attack
2. After binding he'll likely resort to energy beams and ultron has AP advantage
He used his hand to absorb
We literally see him doing that
It just wasn't into frame as yet

And again
Cataclysm are literally dodge balls
Ultron could either side step or retaliate with numerous AP beams or galaxy nuke
 
Correction
It was a two time thing that happened under two specific situation


And that sucks for blanc because he has never thought against any opponent besides ladybug

I dont know because blanc has never fought any opponent besides ladybug and every "in-character" thing he would resort to is total speculation based on nth substancial
He fought Hawk Moth too, and killed him
You say he uses non lethal cataclysm cause he wasnt trying to kill ladybug at first
Nth suggest he would go reserved or all out against other characters
It does because the first thing he did after Ladybug made it clear she won't give her miraculous, is trying to nuke the galaxy. And all of his attacks missed Ladybug on purpose, because he wanted her to give up and surrender her miraculous to him
You say he'd start heavy with AoE cataclysms he has only ever used under specific circumstances due to specific reason
Nth suggest he would start heavy or light against other characters
He fought Hawk Moth as well, and the first thing he did is to use the AoE attack to kill him and Ladybug since he couldn't choose
Cat blanc appearance is just too limited and what he would do against opponents who are not ladybug is all up to head canon to decide
Um no. We know that the only reason he didn't killed Ladybug is because he wanted her miraculous. Remove that, and nothing stops Cat Blanc for going for the kill here with AoE attacks
He used his hand to absorb
We literally see him doing that
It just wasn't into frame as yet
His hand would disintigrate by the Cataclysm if he would attempt that
And again
Cataclysm are literally dodge balls
Ultron could either side step or retaliate with numerous AP beams or galaxy nuke
He can make it bigger. He only used small attacks to not kill Ladybug and destroy the miraculous. All of the usual stuff you said rely on Cat fighting Ladybug and only her. Once he given up of the idea to get her miraculous, he tried to destroy her with an AoE attack
 
He fought Hawk Moth too, and killed him
Yeah he killed him unintentionally
He even said so himself
It does because the first thing he did after Ladybug made it clear she won't give her miraculous, is trying to nuke the galaxy. And all of his attacks missed Ladybug on purpose, because he wanted her to give up and surrender her miraculous to him
Okay
So how would that play out against Ultron then?
What he sees thid robot dude and his first course of action is to end everthing including himself?

He had a reason to end world against ladybug
Whats the reason he is gonna that against this robot he has never met before?
He fought Hawk Moth as well, and the first thing he did is to use the AoE attack to kill him and Ladybug since he couldn't choose
Again
He said he DID NOT MEAN TO
The LITERALLY says this to ladybug

And that was a one time occurance under specific amounts of emotional pressure
He's never used AoE cataclysm outside of being under pressure and EoW cataclysm is something he wont resort to because the reason isnt there

And in either AoE case
Ultron can use Galactic AoE to counter or Telekinesis Cat before cataclysm takes place
Um no. We know that the only reason he didn't killed Ladybug is because he wanted her miraculous. Remove that, and nothing stops Cat Blanc for going for the kill here with AoE attacks
So your saying if Ladybug appeared and didnt have miraculous he would choose to nuke everything immediately?
Thats something that never happened in canon so you cant really say that

And also the reason why was gonna nuke everything was because he believed Ladybug didnt love him anymore
He literally says so himself
His hand would disintigrate by the Cataclysm if he would attempt that
How would that happen when Ultron opening move is TK?
Cataclysm would not even occur because First move TK stops him
He can make it bigger. He only used small attacks to not kill Ladybug and destroy the miraculous. All of the usual stuff you said rely on Cat fighting Ladybug and only her. Once he given up of the idea to get her miraculous, he tried to destroy her with an AoE attack
Wrong
He gave up resorted because he believed she didnt love him and he literally says this
 
It was a two time thing that happened under two specific situation
The only times the his character was serious.
I dont know because blanc has never fought any opponent besides ladybug and every "in-character" thing he would resort to is total speculation based on nth substancial

You say he uses non lethal cataclysm cause he wasnt trying to kill ladybug at first
Nth suggest he would go reserved or all out against other characters
So he doesn’t wants to kill Ultron?
You say he'd start heavy with AoE cataclysms he has only ever used under specific circumstances due to specific reason
Because they are his only moves that involve any emotional restrain from his part.

And I mean, if you go by this standard, this pretty much can be said by any wincon your giving to Ultron, specially when his telekinesis was employed against somebody’s who had his Soul Stone.
1. Telekinesis binds opponents so cat wont be able to attack
Binding is an application of telekinesis, not an standard.
2. After binding he'll likely resort to energy beams
He has never done this combo, so I don’t know where this likehood comes.
He used his hand to absorb
We literally see him doing that
It just wasn't into frame as yet
His hand doesn’t appears in a change of frames, his hand appears once he raises it.
 
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