Cat Blanc vs Infinity Ultron

[ShionAH]

Cat fra

 

[Ss3micah]

Cat fra

Explain how Cat get's pass Ultron's:

Time Stop: which can freeze Cat Blanc
Energy Absorption: which absorbs Cataclysms
Attack Reflection: Which can send back Cataclysm
Power Nullification: Which can Null Cataclysm
Dimensional Travel and Teleportation: which can dodge cataclysm
ESP, Clairvoyance and Cosmic Awareness: which can be use to analyze and predict all of Cat Noir's moves

 

[ThanatosX]

I agree with Ss3micah argument. My vote goes to Ultron.

 

[Coolboy6]

Counted

 

[Ss3micah]

Counted

I'm for Ultron as well

 

[Ss3micah]

Ultron fra

And so is Sanicspood

 

[Coolboy6]

Also Counted

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Cat Blanc starting with End of World Cataclysm is highly unlikely and here's why I say that:

He doesn’t needs his highest Cataclysm, he already has the enough of an AoE without it being lethal to himself in blast.

Plus he has Clairvoyance, ESP and cosmic awareness so he will always be one step ahead

He kinda would know everything thing about and related to Cat Blanc at the start because he has Multiversal Nigh-Omniscience

For a character that gets constantly taken by surprise and the fact that he couldn’t tell the usage of the defensive spell even while actively trying to figure it out, this isn’t my impression.

 

[Ss3micah]

He doesn’t needs his highest Cataclysm, he already has the enough of an AoE without it being lethal to himself in blast.

Not sure what you said but regardless Ultron still has many counters to Cataclysm

For a character that gets constantly taken by surprise and the fact that he couldn’t tell the usage of the defensive spell even while actively trying to figure it out, this isn’t my impression.

Those characters who took him by surprised are not Cat Blanc
These are characters who know more about Ultron's fighting patterns and techniques and have years of experience fighting him and beings like him
Cat Blanc has no experience whatsoever with Ultron and has no idea what to expect from him so you can't make that comparison a solid argument

Also being taken by surprised doesn't magically stop his abilities from working nor can be definitively used as solid argument for Cat Blanc hitting him
And even then Ultron's versatility is just far too great considering his numerous of thought based hax which will land eons before Cat Blanc uses a single cataclysm

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Not sure what you said but regardless Ultron still has many counters to Cataclysm

Of course, he just doesn’t resort to that.

Those characters who took him by surprised are not Cat Blanc
These are characters who know more about Ultron's fighting patterns and techniques and have years of experience fighting him and beings like him

The thing is, this has absolutely nothing to do with what Chat Blanc knows about Ultron; much on the contrary, is about what Ultron knows about Chat Blanc having the same resources he had them that he has now. As every single one of the arguments that I'm seeing brought upon rely on the aspect that Ultron would know things. Things that would have otherwise avoided multiple instances; as no matter the amount of experience you have facing something, you won’t be taken by surprise if already now what they can, are and will be doing. And the matter of the fact here is that there's things that even within his verse and at the supposed range of his abilities, Ultron isn’t aware of, so how do you expect me to believe that he knows a thing about someone that's not even part of his verse?

 

[Ss3micah]

Of course, he just doesn’t resort to that.

If by he you meant Ultron, then why wouldn't he resort to using counters that are not out of character for him to use?

The thing is, this has absolutely nothing to do with what Chat Blanc knows about Ultron; much on the contrary, is about what Ultron knows about Chat Blanc having the same resources he had them that he has now. As every single one of the arguments that I'm seeing brought upon rely on the aspect that Ultron would know things. Things that would have otherwise avoided multiple instances; as no matter the amount of experience you have facing something, you won’t be taken by surprise if already now what they can, are and will be doing. And the matter of the fact here is that there's things that even within his verse and at the supposed range of his abilities, Ultron isn’t aware of, so who do you expect me to believe that he knows a thing about someone that's not even part of his verse?

Alright this is an excellent point you just made to answer your question of how ultron would know what Cat Blanc is up to and would try

Answer 1
Clairvoyance and plus Time Stone gives Ultron the ability to see the future, so even if Cat Blanc tried something unexpected nothing is stopping Ultron from seeing it coming via Time Stone + Clairvoyance

Answer 2
Ultron's Cosmic Awareness allows him to see into other universes. If he's fighting Cat Blanc, then he would have access to Cat Blanc's past and future (otherwise Time Travel & Precognition wouldn't be a valid abilities anymore) and his Cosmic Awareness allows him to see everything present in any multiverse he is inhabiting (it's not specifically restricted to just his in a VS Debate). Nothing stops his Cosmic Awareness from seeing Cat Noir/Blanc in other universes/timelines and gathering information on him in the process

Answer 3
Ultron can travel across time, what's stopping him from just going back and observing or just outright killing Cat Noir thus killing Cat Blanc

 

[GyroNutz]

Ultron doesn't look into other character's pasts and futures on a whim, and has never shown to do so. After all, it took him about 10 minutes of fighting to realise that Strange Supreme was actually a threat.

That said, Infinity Ultron is arrogant, but not to the point where he's just gonna let attacks hit him. If he sees a massive AoE attack coming towards him then he has several ways of avoiding said attack, which he would use. He also has no problem with using any of his hax, it's just not what he'd likely lead with. I'm gonna go with Ultron, FRA as well

 

[Coolboy6]

Counted

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

"You really screwed up making that thing, didn't you, Stark?" FRA

 

[Coolboy6]

7-5 votes are considered invalid so 1 more vote

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

but not to the point where he's just gonna let attacks hit him.

Like he hasn’t.

Anyways, I already gave my take on this. So is up to watch ever everyone else thinks at this point. Le Blanc FRA.

 

[Coolboy6]

Counted bruh

 

[Sonicflare9]

cat fra

 

[Ss3micah]

Lolol this is wierd lol
The entire argument for Cat Blanc winning has nothing to do with you well he can counteract Ultron or how he can get pass Ultron range of several haxs he can use to block, avoid or counter cataclysms

Instead cat blanc reason for winning entire depends on him using cataclysm and Ultron being dumb enough not to use any of his vast array of powers to defend himself in anyway and just stand there and take it

Thats a heavy assumption but people think its somehow valid Lolol

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ultron fra

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Lolol this is wierd lol
The entire argument for Cat Blanc winning has nothing to do with you well he can counteract Ultron or how he can get pass Ultron range of several haxs he can use to block, avoid or counter cataclysms

And your argument relies on Ultron having prior knowledge about Cat, when this isn't the case here, as well as using precognition immediately when it isn't in character, especially to someone he never met

Or that his powers will somehow tell him about Cat's power, which they have no knowledge to tell him. Cat's blasts look like generic energy blasts at first glance, so he wouldn't actually know he needs to specifically avoid those

 

[Ss3micah]

And your argument relies on Ultron having prior knowledge about Cat, when this isn't the case here, as well as using precognition immediately when it isn't in character, especially to someone he never met

Or that his powers will somehow tell him about Cat's power, which they have no knowledge to tell him. Cat's blasts look like generic energy blasts at first glance, so he wouldn't actually know he needs to specifically avoid those

Touché
Alright I'll argue without using Precog powers then...

Lets say he doesnt use Precog powers
What then?

He still has a certain array of haxs that can counter energy and magic based attacks or he can teleport or DT away from Cat observe him from a safe distance

As you say and I agree
He knows nothing about Cat Blanc which is EXACTLY why he wont be careless enough to see an attack he knows nothing about and be like "oh this attack wont hurt me because im ultron bitch"

He knows nth about Cat blanc which is why he'll always be on guard and assessing and responding to situations carefully

Assuming Ultron doesnt hax him right of the bat and wait for Cat to make the first move
If he sees a cataclysm coming at him (an attack he knows nth about) 99/100 times he's gonna either dodge or use hax to counter rather than stand completely still.
Once he sees the extent to Deconstruction effect of cataclysm, he'll start planning around it using things like his overally enhanced senses to keep track of Cat's movements, energy absorption or power nullification to deal with cataclysms or Teleportation and DT to avoid them

Once he's figured out that part the rest is cakewalk as he has numerous thought based haxs Cat can't resist and Cat's only means of attack will fail him

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Touché
Alright I'll argue without using Precog powers then...

Lets say he doesnt use Precog powers
What then?

He still has a certain array of haxs that can counter energy and magic based attacks or he can teleport or DT away from Cat observe him from a safe distance

As you say and I agree
He knows nothing about Cat Blanc which is EXACTLY why he wont be careless enough to see an attack he knows nothing about and be like "oh this attack wont hurt me because im ultron bitch"

Yeah but just because he wouldn't let himself get hit doesn't mean he'd resort to haxes right away, especially when he apperantly didn't do so even when he fought the Avengers, who he knows are a threat. A simple Cat with destructive powers won't immediately change that, especially if he doesn't start with his massive Cataclysm like you said he would

He knows nth about Cat blanc which is why he'll always be on guard and assessing and responding to situations carefully

Assuming Ultron doesnt hax him right of the bat and wait for Cat to make the first move
If he sees a cataclysm coming at him (an attack he knows nth about) 99/100 times he's gonna either dodge or use hax to counter rather than stand completely still.
Once he sees the extent to Deconstruction effect of cataclysm, he'll start planning around it using things like his overally enhanced senses to keep track of Cat's movements, energy absorption or power nullification to deal with cataclysms or Teleportation and DT to avoid them

Not standing still = / = haxing him right away, when he didn't do it against multiple Avengers, heroes he knows of (since Stark made him), as well as their powers

Once he's figured out that part the rest is cakewalk as he has numerous thought based haxs Cat can't resist and Cat's only means of attack will fail him

Cat Noir also just need to touch him to win since he can use Cataclysm in his hand just like in his Cat Noir form, so he wouldn't instantly know he can do it with his touch as well, since at first he would only expect the energy blasts

 

[Ss3micah]

Yeah but just because he wouldn't let himself get hit doesn't mean he'd resort to haxes right away,

Its 50/50
He's fighting an opponent he knows nth about, the extent of their powers nor their capabilities
All these unknown variables will make him more vigilant than reckless

And if Cat uses powers against him their is no way he isnt gonna use his own powers to counter or get away

especially when he apperantly didn't do so even when he fought the Avengers, who he knows are a threat. A simple Cat with destructive powers won't immediately change that,

The avengers he has knowledge on and can use to his advantage. This simple Cat is an unknown variable

Threat or not, ultron wont take things lightly especially once he sees a Cataclysm coming at him (which he would still be able counter or dodge)

Not standing still = / = haxing him right away, when he didn't do it against multiple Avengers, heroes he knows of (since Stark made him), as well as their powers

He knows about the avengers fighting patterns, techniques and moves.
He knows ntn about Cat

His firsr response would be to either gain distance and assess which he can easily do with flight and Cat cant fly or start off with force and assess how Cat reacts and responds which will reveal his cataclysm which ultron can then plan for

Cat Noir also just need to touch him to win since he can use Cataclysm in his hand just like in his Cat Noir form, so he wouldn't instantly know he can do it with his touch as well, since at first he would only expect the energy blasts

Ultron has flight, teleportation, DT and Time Stop which are all in character

Cat aint getting close especially since Cat cant fly and all Ultron would need to do is stay in the air and dodge Cataclysm from the ground and Ultron will still have numerous hax to back him up

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Its 50/50
He's fighting an opponent he knows nth about, the extent of their powers nor their capabilities
All these unknown variables will make him more vigilant than reckless

And if Cat uses powers against him their is no way he isnt gonna use his own powers to counter or get away

Sure, but that still doesn't mean he'd hax straight away when he didn't shown to do that right off the bat in-character. He may fight him some more to learn about how his power work before he'd hax

The avengers he has knowledge on and can use to his advantage. This simple Cat is an unknown variable

Threat or not, ultron wont take things lightly especially once he sees a Cataclysm coming at him (which he would still be able counter or dodge)

Sure, but he won't instantly go haxing him since even when facing opponents he don't know about, that wasn't his first action

He knows about the avengers fighting patterns, techniques and moves.
He knows ntn about Cat

Still wouldn't mean he'd act ooc. He may be more cautious with him, but his state of mind would still be in-character

His firsr response would be to either gain distance and assess which he can easily do with flight and Cat cant fly or start off with force and assess how Cat reacts and responds which will reveal his cataclysm which ultron can then plan for

Ultron has flight, teleportation, DT and Time Stop which are all in character

Cat aint getting close especially since Cat cant fly and all Ultron would need to do is stay in the air and dodge Cataclysm from the ground and Ultron will still have numerous hax to back him up

Cat has his baton to get up to Ultron, so that isn't a big handicap, especially since he already dealt with many flying akumas before such as Befana and Guitar Villain, so flying isn't a big issue for him

 

[Ss3micah]

Sure, but that still doesn't mean he'd hax straight away when he didn't shown to do that right off the bat in-character. He may fight him some more to learn about how his power work before he'd hax

He has started off with hax before actually like he did when confronting Dr. Strange

But even if we ignore that
His go-to move is most often times spamming numerous energy beams and blasts which he would like to in this case
Energy beams would keep Cat at bay and even force him into using Cataclysm which Ultron would then work into his strategy

And more often than not Cat will be taking hits from Ultron energy blast considering his methods of avoiding (running, jumping, baton) are limited and can easily be counteract by flight teleportation and DT

And Ultron has managed to tag characters far more acrobatic than Cat Noir/Blanc in his own verse so chances of Blanc being it with Energy beams are high

Sure, but he won't instantly go haxing him since even when facing opponents he don't know about, that wasn't his first action

He could and has done so albeit rarely but for sake of argument lets say he wont start with hax

He'll still start miles in the sky shooting energy beams which he often does and Cat can only cancel them out with Cataclysm or run as fast as his legs will take him and either response will only help ultron plan for him better

Still wouldn't mean he'd act ooc. He may be more cautious with him, but his state of mind would still be in-character

I agree with you to some extent
But it is not OOC for ultron to go the entire fight without using hax

Sooner or later he will use hax especially once he hss formulated a stategy

And also its In character for him to use hax to block/counter attacks from opponents so fat chance of cataclysm landing happening
Even more especially with flight + teleportation + DT

Cat has his baton to get up to Ultron, so that isn't a big handicap,

That only helps ultron as ultron has insane means of maneuvurability and air control (especially with space gem) and cat is literally limited in the air in every way

especially since he already dealt with many flying akumas before such as Befana and Guitar Villain, so flying isn't a big issue for him

It is a big issue dealing with ultron who has far greater manueverability, intellect and powers than either of them and can make full use of them to overwhelm Cat Blanc in every way possible

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

also anything that ultron does one shot Cat as Cat is Glass Cannon

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

also anything that ultron does one shot Cat as Cat is Glass Cannon

He still needs to hit though. And Cat Blanc can just dodge the attacks

 

[Ss3micah]

He still needs to hit though. And Cat Blanc can just dodge the attacks

Gilad my good man
With all due respect to his reputation Cat has a record of being gotten the better of by numerous Akumatized characters

Some of these characters only had less than a day's worth of experience with Akuma powers granted to them by Hawk Moth and these characters are of average intellect

Ultron is leagues above the intellectual capabilities of the entire ladybug verse and has a vast array of powers that Cat has never dealt with before nor has any resistance to and your saying its plausable that Cat will be able to successfully avoid him forever?

A reminder that Ultron has Telekinesis or can just BFR cat into space or just time stop then blast him

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Gilad my good man
With all due respect to his reputation Cat has a record of being gotten the better of by numerous Akumatized characters

That isn't mostly because of skill. That is mostly because of their haxes and abilities

Some of these characters only had less than a day's worth of experience with Akuma powers granted to them by Hawk Moth and these characters are of average intellect

All akumas have a complete mastery over their akumatized power. The amount of times they got akumatized doesn't matter as it's never a factor

Ultron is leagues above the intellectual capabilities of the entire ladybug verse and has a vast array of powers that Cat has never dealt with before nor has any resistance to and your saying its plausable that Cat will be able to successfully avoid him forever?

No, but likewise it's not plausable Ultron could avoid him forever, especially if he uses more AoE attacks (not necessarily the Galactic sized one). Considering Cat Blanc's strategy remains the same, which use Cataclysms on him. Unless he got some OP instictive reactions or something (and even that can only do so much against AoE), he wouldn't be able to dodge forever, and will get hit at some point

He also isn't going to see the effects of Cat's attacks since apperantly Ultron will fly above him, so he'll have nothing to destroy if he misses, so he probab;y wouldn't take him any differently than any other superhero that throws energy blasts

A reminder that Ultron has Telekinesis or can just BFR cat into space or just time stop then blast him

But would he use it though? Did he actually used that in character?

 

[Ss3micah]

That isn't mostly because of skill. That is mostly because of their haxes and abilities

And again. Ultron has hax and abilities Cat has never seen before nor has anyway of dealing with them when used

All akumas have a complete mastery over their akumatized power. The amount of times they got akumatized doesn't matter as it's never a factor

That's kinda wonky but fair point.

No, but likewise it's not plausable Ultron could avoid him forever, especially if he uses more AoE attacks (not necessarily the Galactic sized one).

Difference here is that Ultron has far more ways for evasion than cat

Ultron has the vast sky where he can freely fly, teleportation, DT, energy absorption, power nullification, and other means of blocking and avoiding
Cat can only hope to shoot projectiles the size of dodgeballs at him one at a time from ground up and hope it hits

Cat can only hope to run and jump snd cataclysm Ultrons beams but he's still limited the ground with Ultron is destroying with every blast. Pretty soon Cat will have very limited land to move and its not gonna take long for ultron to start resorting to more effective hax

Considering Cat Blanc's strategy remains the same, which use Cataclysms on him. Unless he got some OP instictive reactions or something (and even that can only do so much against AoE), he wouldn't be able to dodge forever, and will get hit at some point

At which point exactly?
Even AoE Cataclysm is useless because Energy Absorption, Power Null and even reality warping which we uses to just completely neg AoE attacks like he did when facing Strange and Company

And again Ultron is high up in the air
Any cataclysm coming at him he'll see coming from miles away and have more than enough time to respond

Cat is not that lucky because its only a matter of time before ultron resorts to hax and cat wont be able to do anything against him. Not to mention ultron has every advantage as his attacks can literally come outta no where while cataclysms are projectiles he'll have more than enought time to defend against and even AoE cataclysm is no big deal because not only is it like fairly obvious he's gonna use it (since he kind of lights us when using AoE) but Ultron in character spams teleporration and DT so lol no it aint hitting him

Ultron has too many ways to dodge and the infinite sky as his zone
Cat can only run and duck on whatever piece of land Ultron hasnt already destroyed with AP beams

But would he use it though? Did he actually used that in character?

At the start no
After formulating a strategy or when he sees an opening after a certain amount time he's spent fighting and assessing yes

 

[Ss3micah]

And again. Ultron has hax and abilities Cat has never seen before nor has anyway of dealing with them when used

That's kinda wonky but fair point.

Difference here is that Ultron has far more ways for evasion than cat

Ultron has the vast sky where he can freely fly, teleportation, DT, energy absorption, power nullification, and other means of blocking and avoiding
Cat can only hope to shoot projectiles the size of dodgeballs at him one at a time from ground up and hope it hits

Cat can only hope to run and jump snd cataclysm Ultrons beams but he's still limited the ground with Ultron is destroying with every blast. Pretty soon Cat will have very limited land to move and its not gonna take long for ultron to start resorting to more effective hax

At which point exactly?
Even AoE Cataclysm is useless because Energy Absorption, Power Null and even reality warping which we uses to just completely neg AoE attacks like he did when facing Strange and Company

And again Ultron is high up in the air
Any cataclysm coming at him he'll see coming from miles away and have more than enough time to respond

Cat is not that lucky because its only a matter of time before ultron resorts to hax and cat wont be able to do anything against him. Not to mention ultron has every advantage as his attacks can literally come outta no where while cataclysms are projectiles he'll have more than enought time to defend against and even AoE cataclysm is no big deal because not only is it like fairly obvious he's gonna use it (since he kind of lights us when using AoE) but Ultron in character spams teleporration and DT so lol no it aint hitting him

Ultron has too many ways to dodge and the infinite sky as his zone
Cat can only run and duck on whatever piece of land Ultron hasnt already destroyed with AP beams

At the start no
After formulating a strategy or when he sees an opening after a certain amount time he's spent fighting and assessing yes

Lol
I made some spelling errors but im too lazy to fix em

Please forgive me

 

[Lightbuster30]

As far as the galaxy-sized blast is concerned? Ultron should have loads of time to actually do something before getting dusted. I saw the video, and the white light ball didn't even destroy the Earth despite engulfing it, and their dialogue very clearly and explicitly says Blanc is about to end everything, even after the so-called blast has engulfed the entire galaxy.

It's clear as day the blast was a prelude to the actual destruction and doesn't automatically destroy everything it hits, otherwise, the planet would be destroyed, and Ladybug wouldn't try talking him out of destroying the galaxy after he already engulfed it.

Ultron fra and my own reasons.

 

[Coolboy6]

Counted

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

I saw the video, and the white light ball didn't even destroy the Earth despite engulfing it

Bold; The Earth was never engulfed.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Bold; The Earth was never engulfed.

The blast expanded on earths curvature, then was shown dwarfing the galaxy, how is the Earth not engulfed?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

The blast expanded on earths curvature, then was shown dwarfing the galaxy, how is the Earth not engulfed?

Because it was above the surface of the planet. It didn't touched the ground

 

[Ss3micah]

Bold; The Earth was never engulfed.

Because it was above the surface of the planet. It didn't touched the ground

The blast expanded on earths curvature, then was shown dwarfing the galaxy, how is the Earth not engulfed?

Regardless of if he uses End of World Cataclysm or not my point still stands

Its a suicide move, on which he is fully aware will kill him if he decides to use it and which ultron would still be capable of dodging via DT or negating via energy absorption, power null, reality warping

And he can always by himself time to think with time stop
Also if Ultron wants he can just use Large Size Type 7 and bust the galaxy killing Cat and unlike Cat's End of World Cataclysm, this takes no charge time to do

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

And he can always by himself time to think with time stop
Also if Ultron wants he can just use Large Size Type 7 and bust the galaxy killing Cat and unlike Cat's End of World Cataclysm, this takes no charge time to do

Would he use it though? He only did the Large Size thing once iirc, and not even in a battle

 

[Ss3micah]

Would he use it though? He only did the Large Size thing once iirc, and not even in a battle

He would if it factors into his strategy
And yes he also used it in battle