Cat Blanc vs Infinity Ultron

[TheGreatJedi13]

yes a small one because he has to fire it without charging since Ultron is instant

Ultron would start with energy projection attacks from his spear that can harm The watcher and seeing him try to charge up with that massive energy ball he would end him or dodge with dimensional travel.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Zombie Wanda.

That's a pretty bad example when he let her land a blow prior.

also dimensional travel + teleportation would let him avoid massive attacks

When has he used that in said matter?

which would make charging up take more time than actually attacking instantly

What charge up?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

yes a small one because he has to fire it without charging since Ultron is instant

If it's a blast, how is it instant?

Ultron would start with energy projection attacks from his spear that can harm The watcher and seeing him try to charge up with that massive energy ball he would end him or dodge with dimensional travel.

Does he normally dodge with dimensional travel? If not then this point is pretty moot too

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

he instantly fires an attack
Cat blanc has to charge it up to make it large enough to be inescapable.

Does he normally dodge with dimensional travel? If not then this point is pretty moot too

does Cat Blanc normally move while charging up a big mega cataclysm that will end the entire timeline?
what was shown here was only a small portion where he is actually moving.
you're giving Cat blanc the benefit of the doubt to do something he has never done now shown to do. you're combining 2 things he has done separately

and yes teleporting behind the enemy is in character and he has done so against The Watcher.
Ultron's wincon is basically anything as Cat Blanc is glass and speed being equal makes it even harder for him if he is the faster character

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

he instantly fires an attack
Cat blanc has to charge it up to make it large enough to be inescapable.

What charge up are you talking about? The blast that Chat Blanc uses is being fired, that's why the alternate and the current timeline is collapsing. The distinction here occurs when Chat Blanc is not pin-pointing a target, but going for the entire universe.

you're giving Cat blanc the benefit of the doubt to do something he has never done now shown to do.

You know, for giving something the benefit of the doubt you need to have a reason to asume they otherwise cannot do something, which you have not done so.

and yes teleporting behind the enemy is in character and he has done so against The Watcher.

IIRC he only did that when he was BFRed from there, that's different from using it on character to start with a sneak attack, let alone with a dodge, which is what's being argued on.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

What charge up are you talking about? The blast that Chat Blanc uses is being fired, that's why the alternate and the current timeline is collapsing. The distinction here occurs when Chat Blanc is not pin-pointing a target, but going for the entire universe.

"He's about to trigger the end of the world ladybug" hence it hasn't happened yet and is about to happen which is why all alternate timeline are disappearing because of what is eventually about to happen

You know, for giving something the benefit of the doubt you need to have a reason to asume they otherwise cannot do something, which you have not done so.

yes, and what stops Ultron from teleporting and traveling between dimensions when he feels it is necessary.
the fact that cat Blanc spawning a massive mega cataclysm is detected by Bunny would be obvious for Ultron who literally has the Mind stone and timestone for clairvoyance, Enhanced senses and extrasensory perception. he is aware what can kill or not kill him also Cosmic awareness + Genius Intelligence

IIRC he only did that when he was BFRed from there, that's different from using it on character to start with a sneak attack, let alone with a dodge, which is what's being argued on.

yes and it was stated he can teleport anywhere in the multiverse. just because he used it once after he BFR doesn't mean he can't use it the other way.

a lot of you people are easily disregarding his Extraordinary genius intellect and Genius intelligence just because he was overconfident in a show he was shown it and was underestimating everyone he fought

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Will be voting for Ultron thus far

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

"He's about to trigger the end of the world ladybug" hence it hasn't happened yet and is about to happen which is why all alternate timeline are disappearing because of what is eventually about to happen

Yes, it hasn’t happened because the universe hasn’t been engulfed. Besides, Burrow also reflects the past and present which where going entirely blank as well alongside with the regular reality.

yes, and what stops Ultron from teleporting and traveling between dimensions when he feels it is necessary.

Nothing. It's that he doesn’t normally does so and is hardly an argument to say that he dems doing so necessary.

the fact that cat Blanc spawning a massive mega cataclysm is detected by Bunny

She’s watching the thing from before.

would be obvious for Ultron who literally has the Mind stone and limestone for clairvoyance, Enhanced senses and extrasensory perception. he is aware what can kill or not kill him also Cosmic awareness + Genius Intelligence

An Arrow.

Pretty sure detecting the effects of an attack are not passive abilities of the stones neither Genius Intelligence does so unless you’re going for intelligence based Information Analysis.

yes and it was stated he can teleport anywhere in the multiverse. just because he used it once after he BFR doesn't mean he can't use it the other way.

I never said otherwise. I said it wasn’t on-character as you claimed, and you’re own example features him taking the hit prior countermeasures.

a lot of you people are easily disregarding his Extraordinary genius intellect and Genius intelligence just because he was overconfident in a show he was shown it and was underestimating everyone he fought

You’re saying it as if it’s not a crippling weaknesses in a match.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

he instantly fires an attack
Cat blanc has to charge it up to make it large enough to be inescapable.

Even when he barely charges it up he can make it grow to kilometers in size, and it doesn't take very long either to charge it to planetary size or above

does Cat Blanc normally move while charging up a big mega cataclysm that will end the entire timeline?

He certainly can do it, since he can do it with other times he used smaller attacks, and there's no difference between the small and big attacks except for the size, so there's no reason he wouldn't be able to move if he wanted to

what was shown here was only a small portion where he is actually moving.
you're giving Cat blanc the benefit of the doubt to do something he has never done now shown to do. you're combining 2 things he has done separately

and yes teleporting behind the enemy is in character and he has done so against The Watcher.

If he's teleporting behind Cat Blanc he'd be destroyed by the Cataclysm that surrounds Cat Blanc

You're basically arguing ooc strategies for Ultron to win against Cat which he would literally need prior knowledge in order to prepare for them. And no, mind stone + clairvoyance isn't gonna do it because the effects of the hax are limited to his verse in regards of knowledge, so he doesn't automatically gains knowledge about powers from other verses he has no idea about with no prior knowledge

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Actually, take back what i said, my vote now changes to Noir

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Can't Ultron just jump to another universe when it gets deconstructed?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Can't Ultron just jump to another universe when it gets deconstructed?

Ultron wouldn't know that would happen. Doing so would require him to have prior knowledge on Cat Blanc, which he doesn't have here

 

[Sir_Ovens]

He has information analysis? Even base Ultron had that. Plus, Ultron can just stop time if he sees a huge blast coming towards him.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Why are we saying cat blanc starts with mega cataclysm again? He fought against miraculous with small cataclysms and only used it as a threat in the end, unless he is bloodlusted i don't see why he would use it right off the bat.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Why are we saying cat blanc starts with mega cataclysm again? He fought against miraculous with small cataclysms and only used it as a threat in the end, unless he is bloodlusted i don't see why he would use it right off the bat.

Because the only reason why he didn't used the big Mega Cataclysm again Ladybug is because he: 1) Loved her, and 2) Needed her miraculous so he could make a wish to restore his destroyed world to what it was. The moment that Cat Blanc realized Ladybug will not give him the miraculous, he chose to destroy her instead, leading him to using the Galactic sized Mega Cataclysm

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

He has information analysis? Even base Ultron had that.

Why would it work considering Cat Blanc is not from the same verse as him, so the stones can't give him knowledge they normally wouldn't have

Plus, Ultron can just stop time if he sees a huge blast coming towards him.

Does he do that in character? If not, why should we assume he'd to it here?

 

[sanicspood]

Ultron does use time stop in character

 

[Thelastmlg]

Because the only reason why he didn't used the big Mega Cataclysm again Ladybug is because he: 1) Loved her, and 2) Needed her miraculous so he could make a wish to restore his destroyed world to what it was. The moment that Cat Blanc realized Ladybug will not give him the miraculous, he chose to destroy her instead, leading him to using the Galactic sized Mega Cataclysm

And yet he sent massive waves of cataclysm that could kill her and destroy her miraculous if they hit, he only used the mega one when he failed and wanted to threaten her into a unavoidable situation, saying he will start with it just because he doesn't know his opponent sounds like headcanon, why would he instead of spamming cataclysm to kill them just as fast if not faster

 

[Coolboy6]

Bump

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Again, nothing stops Ultron from just stopping time the moment he sees an all encompassing attack heading his way.

 

[Coolboy6]

Again, nothing stops Ultron from just stopping time the moment he sees an all encompassing attack heading his way.

And when exactly will he realize that it’s “all encompassing? Before it’s too late?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Blanc's Cataclysm isn't instant. It takes some time before expanding towards the galaxy and compared to Ultron's time stop which can activate with a thought, Blanc's at a disadvantage.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Blanc's Cataclysm isn't instant. It takes some time before expanding towards the galaxy and compared to Ultron's time stop which can activate with a thought, Blanc's at a disadvantage.

Yes but once it expands, Ultron will be in a big trouble as the blast will encompass him and disintigrate him, so he won't know that it'll destroy him until it's too late

 

[Ss3micah]

I'm gonna go with Ultron for my own reasoning

Cat Blanc starting with End of World Cataclysm is highly unlikely and here's why I say that:

End of World Cataclysm will kill himself and he knows this
Quote from Cat Blanc before using End of World Cataclysm

"The simple truth is you don't love me anymore, so I might as well destroy you, me, our memories, everything". Cat Blanc is aware the end of world cataclysm would kill him, if not be the sheer impact of the explosion/force then definitely by the fact he can't breathe in space

The idea that at the start of the match, Cat Blanc is fighting this person he has no idea about and his immediate response is a world ending attack he knows will kill him is just way to much of a stretch and even then Ultron has answers for this: Being Time Stop which just screws Cat Blanc everyway til Sunday and Dimensional Travel which he could use to escape the End of World Cataclysm and allow Cat Blanc to end himself, or just use Energy/Magic absorption to hard counter Cataclysm

Point Being
The idea of first turn End of World Cataclysm is farfetched and even if he does do so Ultron has too many answers for it

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Even if he won't start with the massive Cataclysm, he will use smaller attacks, some of them can be Planetary in size as well

 

[Ss3micah]

Even if he won't start with the massive Cataclysm, he will use smaller attacks, some of them can be Planetary in size as well

The mega cataclysm he starts with are the size of a dodge ball and in either case (dodgeball or planetary) time stop, dimensional travel, teleportation, energy/magic absorption still counters hard

Plus he has Clairvoyance, ESP and cosmic awareness so he will always be one step ahead

 

[sanicspood]

Ultron fra

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

The mega cataclysm he starts with are the size of a dodge ball and in either case (dodgeball or planetary) time stop, dimensional travel, teleportation, energy/magic absorption still counters hard

Plus he has Clairvoyance, ESP and cosmic awareness so he will always be one step ahead

Then if so, especially if he'll do all these at the moment he starts the battle, how is it fair to Cat Blanc?

If apperantly he can just predict or instantly know what his attacks will do and then use thought based haxes, then it's likely a stomp

 

[Ss3micah]

Then if so, especially if he'll do all these at the moment he starts the battle, how is it fair to Cat Blanc?

If apperantly he can just predict or instantly know what his attacks will do and then use thought based haxes, then it's likely a stomp

(Im wondering how this was even a debate)

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

doesn't change the fact that he can win by his mega cataclysm small or large. just that it's very very less likely to happen thus ultron winning more often

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Yeah, Ultron is just more suited to win more often than not. It pays to be a little versatile.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

doesn't change the fact that he can win by his mega cataclysm small or large. just that it's very very less likely to happen thus ultron winning more often

If he instantly uses thought based hax due to info analysis and clairvoyance, then how exactly can Cat do anything about it?

Mega Cataclysm means nothing if Ultron immediately freezes him the moment the battle starts

 

[Ss3micah]

If he instantly uses thought based hax due to info analysis and clairvoyance, then how exactly can Cat do anything about it?

Mega Cataclysm means nothing if Ultron immediately freezes him the moment the battle starts

Mega Cataclysm regardless is still a valid Wincon
It's just that Ultron has far too many answers and counters for it
And End of World Cataclysm is a suicide attack that Ultron will see coming from a mile away and has ways of dodging or negating

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Mega Cataclysm regardless is still a valid Wincon
It's just that Ultron has far too many answers and counters for it

No. It would be valid if Ultron's haxes would also take time and he can just fire faster

This isn't the case here, since his haxes are thought based, making his completely one sided, since Cat Blanc can't even start to charge the attack before he's frozen and haxed

 

[Ss3micah]

No. It would be valid if Ultron's haxes would also take time and he can just fire faster

This isn't the case here, since his haxes are thought based, making his completely one sided, since Cat Blanc can't even start to charge the attack before he's frozen and haxed

"Don't hate the player, Hate the Game"

~Ice-T

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Like, Ultron wouldn't even use time stop until the Mega Cataclysm. It's really just Cat Blanc being at a versatility disadvantage.

 

[Ss3micah]

Ultron could screw around with Cat Blanc with Illusion Creation as well

By utilizing his nigh-omniscience, he could create illusions of Lady Bug to distract Cat Blanc (as in character Cat Blanc is obsessed with Lady Bug) and that would help him better formulate better ideas and strategies as how to catch him off guard and kill him

This is entirely unnecessary as Ultron has faster ways to win but I'm just making a point that he's just way too versatile and has too many options

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Like, Ultron wouldn't even use time stop until the Mega Cataclysm. It's really just Cat Blanc being at a versatility disadvantage.

But you're arguing he'd know Cat Blanc will use it the moment he start the battle and will thus use the hax immediately

 

[Ss3micah]

But you're arguing he'd know Cat Blanc will use it the moment he start the battle and will thus use the hax immediately

He kinda would know everything thing about and related to Cat Blanc at the start because he has Multiversal Nigh-Omniscience

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

He kinda would know everything thing about and related to Cat Blanc at the start because he has Multiversal Nigh-Omniscience

But doesn't only applies to his own verse? That would mean nothing since Cat Blanc is not from his verse