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Tiering Upgrades
Shameless Copy+Paste from my post in a previous thread which just summarized all the big feats worth mentioning from BL3:
The Destroyer is stated to be ripping the planet apart, twice during the final period of Borderlands 3 (which can be seen and felt in game). Pandora is a giant man-made planet built by the Eridians with an upper mantle made entirely out of Eridium. Pandora was made specifically to cage the Destroyer and it is noted that even the Eridians who's reach can "pluck stars from across the void" , built the moo and the Vault of the Serpent (which is a pocket dimension that contains a large amount of stars and a su), took centuries to build Pandora (Which also goes to show how dangerous the Destroyer is to the Eridians). This would get rid of any arguments that would try to claim The Destroyer isn't anything above High 7-C because he can't escape Pandora...but there's more. The Destroyer is stated to literally eat stars twice , the first one is from a character who is the most knowledgable about the Destroyer during the events of Borderlands 3 and the other being the siren who was contacted by the Eridians to seal the Destroyer itself. These statements are backed up again by the another one of the Eridian writings which states "even as stars in the sky above began to wink out" when referring to Eridian's building Pandora while the Destroyer is consuming more and more stars and to add to that the official Borderlands website states the Destroyer is "threatening to consume the universe". Tyreen's goal also aligns with these statements as well. She wants to absorb the Destroyer and consume stars until she is quite literally the only star in the sky. Although something from BL TPS seems to contradict the Destroyer having this kind of power.
In The Pre-Sequel, Handsome Jack uses the Destroyer's eye as a laser and amplifies its power 10 fold by using Slag. Although this contraption is stated to be able to destroy Elpis (the moon), it seemingly contradicts the statements regarding the Destroyer eating stars in BL3 because it would mean the eye can only perform multi-continental to moon level feat only when it's boosted to 10x it's normal destructiveness by slag. But this is easily be explained by the Destroyer's eye output just not being comparable in power to it's full self which we know makes up a large portion of Pandora and is likely larger than Elpis. This also leads to the next character I would like to discuss which is Lilith.
Lilith after finally getting her power back from Tyreen and having not absorb any Eridium, pushed the giant ass moon Elpis away from Pandora albeit possibly at the cost of her life. Here's where Elpis was originally, here's how close Elpis was to Pandora before Troy made it come closer and here's how far Lilith pushed the moon back. If you have a keen eye, than you can see that Lilith pushed Elpis back to it's original position. Now you may ask "Why does this matter? Lilith is implied to have died from doing this." and you would be correct but keep in mind what I said before, this is a Lilith who just got her powers back from Tyreen and hasn't absorbed any Eridium meaning this would scale to Tyreen and Troy. Now you might also ask "How does this scale to Tyreen and Troy? They aren't Lilith!" and to answer that is easy. Tyreen upon first appearing dominated Lilith and absorbed her powers, along with absorbing numerous amounts of cultists, vault monsters, eridium and the Destroyer, it would be hard to prove that Tyreen doesn't scale to this feat but she wouldn't be the only one who scales here, Troy and mid-game BL3 Vault Hunters would also scale of course. Now onto the next feat which hopefully proves the consistency of this feat.
To make this simple, Troy phaselocks Elpis and brings it closer to Pandora and charge it with his power. This feat was initially done with Eridium as his supply making it difficult to sell as a feat but later on in the mission the VHs cut off Troy's supply of Eridium and so Troy began using Tyreen as the energy source to charge Elpis which is not just a moon but the Vault Key for Pandora that was created by the Eridians that can open Pandora and unleash the Destroyer. This means it makes sense that Troy used outside power sources to charge the moon and it doesn't contradict Lilith's feat but rather helps it, nor does it contradict the scaling that would arise from it. Which would be:
At least 5-C Tyreen and Troy (Should be far stronger than Lilith who performed that moon feat without Eridium and right after her siren powers returned)
At least 5-C Mid-Game BL3 VHs (Defeated Troy who absorbed large amounts of eridium and Tyreen's powers during their fight)
At least 5-B, likely 4-C for the Destroyer (Far stronger than Siren's such as Lilith, Tyreen and Troy who could perform (insert those moon feats here) and was repeatedly stated to be able to destroy Pandora and Pandora is implied to be largely composed of it's body. Was stated multiple time to literally eat stars and was consider a massive threat to the Eridians who could built moons, planets and even create vaults that houses a sun and numerous stars)
At least 5-C, possibly 4-C for Tyreen The Destroyer (Far stronger than her base form, consumed the Destroyer who (copy paste the Destroyer's 4-C reasoning here and is implied to have have consumed the Destroyer)
At least 5-C, possibly 4-C for Late-Game BL3 VHs (Stronger than their mid-game self. Defeated Tyreen the Destroyer)
Things to note:
The 5-C ratings comes from the moon feats and are a placeholder. They likely yield a higher result because Elpis is a fairly large moon. Same with the Destroyer shaking Pandora, which would be Low 6-B on an Earth sized planet but Pandora is huge.
Tyreen the Destroyer is rated possibly 4-C being implied to have indeed consumed the Destroyer by the end of the game and after she is destroyed the Destroyer is never mention again as a threat, only the opening of the Elpis causing the opening of the Great Vault aka Pandora is but only because it would cause the everything on it's surface to be destroyed.
Speed Upgrades
Borderlands The Pre-Sequel:
The Sentinel is able to deflect laser weapons. (Scales to TPS VH's, BL2 VH's, mid-game BL3 VH's, BoG Tyreen and Troy)
Lasers are stated to be light by Mr. Torgue in the side-quest Torgue-o! Torgue-o! which required you to pick up a "Light Reactor" and "Light Reactor"s are used to create weapons in the Borderlands universe.
Torgue: "HI, NEW BEST FRIEND! I'M FROM THE TORGUE CORPORATION AND I'M SUPER-DUPER P***ED THAT LASER GUNS EXIST! THEY'RE MADE OF LIGHT, WHICH DOESN'T EVEN EXPLODE, LIKE -- WHAT?! I'LL PAY YOU TO DESTROY THAT LIGHT REACTOR WHEN YOU FIND IT!"
Keep in mind that Mr. Torgue is the founder and owner of his own gun manufacturing corporation and is extremely knowledgable about weapon manufacturing despite seemingly being an idiot so his words shouldn't be thrown away here and they don't contradict anything.
Tales from the Borderlands:
The Traveler dodges a laser beam. (Late-game BL2 VH's, Mid-game BL3 VH's and BoG Tyreen and Troy)
Borderlands 3:
Amara casually dodges a bullet. (Scales to BoG BL3 VH's)
Troy Calypso sends his power to the moon at a very quick speed. (Scales to Mid-game BL3 VH's)
Tyreen Calypso catches a point blank grenade explosion. (Scales to Late-game BL3 VH's)
And Lilith flies to the moon. (Scales to BoG Tyreen)
Conclusion
I think this is enough proof to put the Borderlandsverse at least over Tier 7 and above Subsonic speeds. If you have any questions or concerns about the CRT, please ask or mention them and also, if anyone is willing to calc any of the feats above, I would greatly appriciate it and it would make the ratings more accurate to how the games presents them, thank you.
Shameless Copy+Paste from my post in a previous thread which just summarized all the big feats worth mentioning from BL3:
The Destroyer is stated to be ripping the planet apart, twice during the final period of Borderlands 3 (which can be seen and felt in game). Pandora is a giant man-made planet built by the Eridians with an upper mantle made entirely out of Eridium. Pandora was made specifically to cage the Destroyer and it is noted that even the Eridians who's reach can "pluck stars from across the void" , built the moo and the Vault of the Serpent (which is a pocket dimension that contains a large amount of stars and a su), took centuries to build Pandora (Which also goes to show how dangerous the Destroyer is to the Eridians). This would get rid of any arguments that would try to claim The Destroyer isn't anything above High 7-C because he can't escape Pandora...but there's more. The Destroyer is stated to literally eat stars twice , the first one is from a character who is the most knowledgable about the Destroyer during the events of Borderlands 3 and the other being the siren who was contacted by the Eridians to seal the Destroyer itself. These statements are backed up again by the another one of the Eridian writings which states "even as stars in the sky above began to wink out" when referring to Eridian's building Pandora while the Destroyer is consuming more and more stars and to add to that the official Borderlands website states the Destroyer is "threatening to consume the universe". Tyreen's goal also aligns with these statements as well. She wants to absorb the Destroyer and consume stars until she is quite literally the only star in the sky. Although something from BL TPS seems to contradict the Destroyer having this kind of power.
In The Pre-Sequel, Handsome Jack uses the Destroyer's eye as a laser and amplifies its power 10 fold by using Slag. Although this contraption is stated to be able to destroy Elpis (the moon), it seemingly contradicts the statements regarding the Destroyer eating stars in BL3 because it would mean the eye can only perform multi-continental to moon level feat only when it's boosted to 10x it's normal destructiveness by slag. But this is easily be explained by the Destroyer's eye output just not being comparable in power to it's full self which we know makes up a large portion of Pandora and is likely larger than Elpis. This also leads to the next character I would like to discuss which is Lilith.
Lilith after finally getting her power back from Tyreen and having not absorb any Eridium, pushed the giant ass moon Elpis away from Pandora albeit possibly at the cost of her life. Here's where Elpis was originally, here's how close Elpis was to Pandora before Troy made it come closer and here's how far Lilith pushed the moon back. If you have a keen eye, than you can see that Lilith pushed Elpis back to it's original position. Now you may ask "Why does this matter? Lilith is implied to have died from doing this." and you would be correct but keep in mind what I said before, this is a Lilith who just got her powers back from Tyreen and hasn't absorbed any Eridium meaning this would scale to Tyreen and Troy. Now you might also ask "How does this scale to Tyreen and Troy? They aren't Lilith!" and to answer that is easy. Tyreen upon first appearing dominated Lilith and absorbed her powers, along with absorbing numerous amounts of cultists, vault monsters, eridium and the Destroyer, it would be hard to prove that Tyreen doesn't scale to this feat but she wouldn't be the only one who scales here, Troy and mid-game BL3 Vault Hunters would also scale of course. Now onto the next feat which hopefully proves the consistency of this feat.
To make this simple, Troy phaselocks Elpis and brings it closer to Pandora and charge it with his power. This feat was initially done with Eridium as his supply making it difficult to sell as a feat but later on in the mission the VHs cut off Troy's supply of Eridium and so Troy began using Tyreen as the energy source to charge Elpis which is not just a moon but the Vault Key for Pandora that was created by the Eridians that can open Pandora and unleash the Destroyer. This means it makes sense that Troy used outside power sources to charge the moon and it doesn't contradict Lilith's feat but rather helps it, nor does it contradict the scaling that would arise from it. Which would be:
At least 5-C Tyreen and Troy (Should be far stronger than Lilith who performed that moon feat without Eridium and right after her siren powers returned)
At least 5-C Mid-Game BL3 VHs (Defeated Troy who absorbed large amounts of eridium and Tyreen's powers during their fight)
At least 5-B, likely 4-C for the Destroyer (Far stronger than Siren's such as Lilith, Tyreen and Troy who could perform (insert those moon feats here) and was repeatedly stated to be able to destroy Pandora and Pandora is implied to be largely composed of it's body. Was stated multiple time to literally eat stars and was consider a massive threat to the Eridians who could built moons, planets and even create vaults that houses a sun and numerous stars)
At least 5-C, possibly 4-C for Tyreen The Destroyer (Far stronger than her base form, consumed the Destroyer who (copy paste the Destroyer's 4-C reasoning here and is implied to have have consumed the Destroyer)
At least 5-C, possibly 4-C for Late-Game BL3 VHs (Stronger than their mid-game self. Defeated Tyreen the Destroyer)
Things to note:
The 5-C ratings comes from the moon feats and are a placeholder. They likely yield a higher result because Elpis is a fairly large moon. Same with the Destroyer shaking Pandora, which would be Low 6-B on an Earth sized planet but Pandora is huge.
Tyreen the Destroyer is rated possibly 4-C being implied to have indeed consumed the Destroyer by the end of the game and after she is destroyed the Destroyer is never mention again as a threat, only the opening of the Elpis causing the opening of the Great Vault aka Pandora is but only because it would cause the everything on it's surface to be destroyed.
Speed Upgrades
Borderlands The Pre-Sequel:
The Sentinel is able to deflect laser weapons. (Scales to TPS VH's, BL2 VH's, mid-game BL3 VH's, BoG Tyreen and Troy)
Lasers are stated to be light by Mr. Torgue in the side-quest Torgue-o! Torgue-o! which required you to pick up a "Light Reactor" and "Light Reactor"s are used to create weapons in the Borderlands universe.
Torgue: "HI, NEW BEST FRIEND! I'M FROM THE TORGUE CORPORATION AND I'M SUPER-DUPER P***ED THAT LASER GUNS EXIST! THEY'RE MADE OF LIGHT, WHICH DOESN'T EVEN EXPLODE, LIKE -- WHAT?! I'LL PAY YOU TO DESTROY THAT LIGHT REACTOR WHEN YOU FIND IT!"
Keep in mind that Mr. Torgue is the founder and owner of his own gun manufacturing corporation and is extremely knowledgable about weapon manufacturing despite seemingly being an idiot so his words shouldn't be thrown away here and they don't contradict anything.
Tales from the Borderlands:
The Traveler dodges a laser beam. (Late-game BL2 VH's, Mid-game BL3 VH's and BoG Tyreen and Troy)
Borderlands 3:
Amara casually dodges a bullet. (Scales to BoG BL3 VH's)
Troy Calypso sends his power to the moon at a very quick speed. (Scales to Mid-game BL3 VH's)
Tyreen Calypso catches a point blank grenade explosion. (Scales to Late-game BL3 VH's)
And Lilith flies to the moon. (Scales to BoG Tyreen)
Conclusion
I think this is enough proof to put the Borderlandsverse at least over Tier 7 and above Subsonic speeds. If you have any questions or concerns about the CRT, please ask or mention them and also, if anyone is willing to calc any of the feats above, I would greatly appriciate it and it would make the ratings more accurate to how the games presents them, thank you.
