Bleach Top Tiers Downgrade

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Yeah lol especially when you have this as well, a couple blocks to a shit ton of districts.

 

[Damage3245]

Yeah lol especially when you have this as well, a couple blocks to a shit ton of districts.

The ton of districts is still a far cry from over a thousand kilometers across.

Whatever the end result is, there needs to be a thread discussing whether or not we accept it before we apply it to profiles.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

You mean the thread discussed already that pretty much covered every point? but somehow ended up with a butchered size with no source for months with a non-existant calc? I for one have no interest arguing with people for multiple threads just like Aizen regen, palace distance, or whatever else every couple months. Just give it a break dude and let people move on from this Seireitei nonsense, it's extremly tiring.

 

[AppleLord]

W-What happened in here?

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

I'm pasting my comment I made to Matthew in a message wall what a calc using only statements for Seireitei's size by Yoruichi and Gremmy's statement that the meteor would destroy it would yield:


Ant said to discuss this issue somewhere else, so I'm bringing up your last comment on the Gremmy meteor here.

Statements for Seireitei's size are that it takes 40 days to walk around it according to Yoruichi.

Assuming Yoruichi walks the speed of a normal human for that time and that normal human walking speed is 5km/h:

That would give Seireitei a circumference of 4800km. A diameter of 1527.89 km and a radius of 763.945 kilometers.

From here I will use a formula provided to me by a calc member when I was doing calcs for Fairy Tail for an attack that would destroy a country (ground explosion formula):

W = R^3*((27136*P + 8649)^(1/2)/13568 - 93/13568)^2

W is yield in tons of tnt, R is radius in meters, and P is pressure of the shockwave in bars, the standard overpressure is 20 psi or 1.37895 bars.

Thus plugging in the numbers gives you:

763945^3*((27136*1.37895 + 8649)^(1/2)/13568 - 93/13568)^2

Which yields 3.5832061e+13 or 35.8 Teratons, 6-B.

That'd be 17.9 Teratons, 6-B for Gremmy with no clones. 35.8 Teratons, 6-B for Gremmy with 1 clone. 250.6 Teratons, High 6-B for Gremmy with 7 clones. 35.8 Teratons, 6-B for all the current High 6-A as well (for now at least until we apply some 5x Bankai multipliers to those affected). So High 6-A to 6-B and High 6-B.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I think resting should be accounted for due to Orihime at the start of the series.

 

[Peter1129]

Pretty sure Gremmy made 6 clones and not 7.

Also I think we should probably make a thread and see which multipliers in Bleach are usable.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Pretty sure Gremmy made 6 clones and not 7.
Also I think we should probably make a thread and see which multipliers in Bleach are usable.

One step at a time.

 

[Peter1129]

Yeah but we really need to figure out which multipliers are usable. I already made a doc with the scaling for almost every character in Bleach written down. All I need now is to figure out which multipliers are usable so I can give them a tier. After that we can make a thread and post the doc and see if there are any disagreements on the scaling and tiering.

 

[Sekusu]

gremmy created 7,not 6 of himself

Pretty sure Gremmy made 6 clones and not 7.

Also I think we should probably make a thread and see which multipliers in Bleach are usable

 

[Peter1129]

Pretty sure it's 6 including himself which makes 7.

 

[Sekusu]

Same thing when he creates 1 clone,but it makes his power the double not x1

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Pretty sure Anyone but Ichigo and Aizen would down scale much, especially since the Yhwach's he fought or even had a brief match with had already absorbed most Quincies, including Gremmy

They would still scale from Yhwach's Palace feat

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Snip

Where was the X5 Multiplier accepted?

 

[AppleLord]

I think resting should be accounted for due to Orihime at the start of the series.

Why? Fullbring Orihime blitz supersonic bombs from Mayuri in the same arc.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I think resting should be accounted for due to Orihime at the start of the series.

Why? Fullbring Orihime blitz supersonic bombs from Mayuri in the same arc.

What does this have to do with stamina?

 

[AppleLord]

I think resting should be accounted for due to Orihime at the start of the series.

Why? Fullbring Orihime blitz supersonic bombs from Mayuri in the same arc.

What does this have to do with stamina?

Why would she have less stamina than everyone else?

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Where was the X5 Multiplier accepted?

Nowhere, we're waiting for it.

@Peter1129 the calc uses 7 only, not 8, so it'd still be correct.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

@Damage

Also another thing that points to a large Seireitei is the fact that Azashiro was capable of casting 100s of Itto Kaso hado within Seireitei if I remember correctly. I'm sure you're aware of how much range that kido has when Yama used it. Which Zaraki no-sold btw...

 

[Peter1129]

Pretty sure Azashiro used it in the Dangai and not Soul Society.

Edit: Actually it's the Garganta

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Pretty sure Azashiro used it in the Dangai and not Soul Society.

oh really? do you have the quote?

 

[Peter1129]

 

[TataHakai]

Resting should probably be accounted for like Sigurd said

It's best to assume they walk for at least 18 hours a day, with 8 hours for sleep

that'd make the circumference 3600 kilometers

The diameter 1146.49681529 km and radius 573.248407645 km

 

[Zezu1995]

Resting should probably be accounted for like Sigurd said
It's best to assume they walk for at least 18 hours a day, with 8 hours for sleep

that'd make the circumference 3600 kilometers

The diameter 1146.49681529 km and radius 573.248407645 km

i saw something about ichigo running for 5 days are we able to use that?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

That's fine by me, then we can finally end this seiretei discussion forever hopefully.

 

[HST_Master]

i saw something about ichigo running for 5 days are we able to use that?

That was just him talking about his stamina iirc when he was running on the treadmill.

 

[The_Calaca]

Days in Seiretei are 26hs long.

I know this doesn't help, but I couldn't help it.

 

[Zezu1995]

That's fine by me, then we can finally end this seiretei discussion forever hopefully.

it might come up one more time iirc theres an art book coming ?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Zezu that was months ago lol, the JET book. It was mostly about how Kubo likes big breasted women and some information about burn the witch which is a couple years after yhwach's defeat.

 

[MetalGearRaiden]

okay, you use the average human speed to determine the size of sei rei tei

but why the f**k do you use orihime's stamina as an excuse to downgrade the size? if you throw orihime's stats into that calc, it makes no sense,cause she would cross those 3.6 thousand km in no time

you should ignore orihime's stats altogether

otherwise it sounds funny,that character with hypersonic movement needs 40 days of walking to cross 3.600 km

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Resting should probably be accounted for like Sigurd said

It's best to assume they walk for at least 18 hours a day, with 8 hours for sleep

that'd make the circumference 3600 kilometers


The diameter 1146.49681529 km and radius 573.248407645 km

Is this bigger or smaller than the size we already use?

 

[The_Causality]

Bigger.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Ichigo fought Urahara for 5 days and night straight and Uryu trained with the Sanrei Glove for 7 days and nights straight. The statement about Ichigo running on the treadmill was a week straight.

Chad and Orihime had supposedly trained a few days with Yoruichi before they left to Soul Society. Really vague.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

They have Hypersonic movement with shunpo, and using walking speed is fine since it doesn't vary. The other statement had the other people walking and resting as well during their 3 days journey.

Besides Orihime doesn't have any actual stamina feats in this arc as far as i'm aware (well any solid ones). Nor can she travel at hypersonic speeds. There is also the fact people need to sleep and stuff.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

So is Tata's proposition the new accepted size?

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Resting should probably be accounted for like Sigurd said

It's best to assume they walk for at least 18 hours a day, with 8 hours for sleep

that'd make the circumference 3600 kilometers

The diameter 1146.49681529 km and radius 573.248407645 km

Using the new Seireitei radius by Tata and the same formula used for Fairy Tail to determine the surface destruction of one of it's countries [W = R^3*((27136*P + 8649)^(1/2)/13568 - 93/13568)^2]:

I get 1.5139589e+13 tons of tnt, or 15.1 teratons, 6-B.

This is with 1 clone, so Gremmy alone is 7.55 teratons, barely 6-B. With 6 clones he's 52.85 teratons, still 6-B.

 

[RegisNex1232]

Do clones scale linearly like that?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

His do since 2 doubled his power then he created more.

 

[Callsign_Castle]

When Gremmy's strongest attack only requires 1 clone, but opening a portal to space takes 5.

 

[Zzsax]

Gremmy strongest attack is creating a Galaxy not opening a portal.*Runs away*