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We already agreed that the old world is the universe, its existence before the Soul King appeared. Now the novel says that when the Menos Grande was created, the world (universe) became completely still.
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Bleach God Tiers for real this time
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I agree 100% with Kukui.
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Nope, The Menos'size isn't even near to that, the world restarted to stagnate due to the flow of Souls being disrupted once again, just like when the Universe was stagnate before the arrival of the humans and hollows, this isn't some kind of "His size stopped the Universe" or things like that.
And LMAO, nobody is gonna watch your video for a thread, just bring the evidence instead of redirecting peoples
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Alright, cool.
All those characters are still tier 2 with the same justification.
Nope, it hadn’t reached that point yet. But I don’t see the issue here. Why are assuming it’s all a lie that wouldn’t have happened?
Same as above; you’re taking advantage of something that was mostly narrated. If any of those things occurred the verse would disappear.
The one with the dimensional earthquake and when he got really angry and tried to end things before he was shot.
He was planning it true, but we see him in the process of doing it. Several other characters reiterate what is going to happen should he finish. He was stopped before he could. It’s a common trope for villains. Like Cell saying he is going to blow up the star system but didn’t get the opportunity too at all.
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I never read that on the novel. Sounds interesting. Why “disrupted once again”? Wouldn’t it be the first time that ever happened?
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I wish I had the skills put on that video. Lol is not a redirection if you can click and watch it in this wiki. Epic fail on your part there.
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also rei o was literally maintaining everything which fits the requirementsoul king was maintaining everything with his existence which fits the requirement
also yhwach was going to undo everything rei o did and we know rei o made these separate space time continuums
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'Once again' because at the beginning, the world was stagnant, some time passed, the circulation of souls began, the world cooled down and worked as it work actually, but due to Hollow's intensive human's devouring, and thir fusions, the circulation of souls was disrupted so the universe stagnated again, and at this Moment, the SK appeared and destroyed it.
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Why didn’t he appeared the first time? Sounds like nothing would have happened in the first place if he didn’t appeared. It was a world were life and death didn’t exist. Sounds like Hollows becoming a Menos Grande is some sort of fusion.
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I think I can agree with the God Tiers being tier 2. Out of all the arguments so far, it seems the most sound.
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I would gladly answer this if i was the author but since i'm not kubo, dunno.
BTW, i disagree with The Low 2-C Upgrade (although i disagree with some of Matt's argument about the Living world not being the actual universe.)
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I agree with the upgrades
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I only agree with Prime Reio and Yhwach.
(for Yhwach, "possibly" Tier 2)
(for Yhwach, "possibly" Tier 2)
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Well yes because in their cases, they were proven to be effecting the space-time of the universes involved. That, and unlike here, they actually succeeded in doing it, which would suggest they were able to display this or have its details known.
Its not about it being a lie, its about what you said actually. Yhwach had not reached that point in merging the space-time of the realms yet, so that doesnt give us a 100% guarantee that he would have or could have done it. For all we know, he could have attempted it to only fail, or take a considerable amount of time to complete it.
The only real basis to the feat happening is him planning to do it.
Not really. An extraordinary claim like this would need that kind of extraordinary evidence, and just like it is with many world-merging feats, the worlds being merged to the point where they can be destroyed doesn't mean we cant be shown it's space-times or dimensions being mixed in with each other to convey that.
I presume you mean what happens in this chapter right?
Yes but if we go off of what was displayed, the only things seen are Yhwach's black auras spreading throughout the soul society before he was plot arrowed. Not even an indication of space-times starting to be warped, fused, etc.
The point here being that we dont know what would have happened had Uryu not interviened. High claims like this need high amounts of evidence, and this is all we have to work with.
In fairness, Cell has a large quantity of sources specifying that he would have destroyed the solar system with his attack against Gohan. But to go beyond that, a key difference here is Cell was very close, if not, in 4-B tier when making that claim, which would help substantiate the idea that he would be able to.
On the other hand, we have Yhwach who's next best tier outside of planning to merge the worlds is tier 5 feats, which makes his case a lot more skeptical in comparison to Cells.
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and YH then took his place
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My comment isnt referring to the SK, its about what Yhwach was doing.
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I disagree.
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yea but your post is saying yhwach was only planning and we dont know if he was going to be successful and if the time spaces would be affected
and soul kings stuff helps as yhwach is above someone(he absorbed and replaced him) whose existence maintained everything as without him everything would go back to how things used to be
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your argument ?
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I've been giving it for 4 pages 
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they've given reasons against it for 4 pages too, tbfI've been giving it for 4 pages
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there has been a lot of messages idk which one you are talking about that counters the things i said can you bump it?sorryI've been giving it for 4 pages
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Wasn't there arguments against Reio passively keeping everything in existence here or no?
And im unsure if that can be taken literal for Yhwach as that would beg the question on him being able to do the opposite of what he would be passively doing.
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as far as im aware no
maintaining with your existence already qualifies for the tier i sent screenshots above
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I'm curious, at what level do you see Prime Reio? It's like you accepted Tier 2 for him
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Yes but again, assuming we take those to literally mean what they say, then it also puts into question about Yhwach being able to actively dispel what he would, according to you, be passively doing.
Passively keeping everything in existence, yet he could actively destroy what his existence keeps in check?
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Im not touching Reio right now. Theres a lot of discussing going on with him atm still, and this threads still nowhere near being done yet, so im watching for now.
My only focus atm was addressing Yhwach's feat.
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I think the answer to this is quite simple. He didn't just want to merge the cosmology, he wanted to completely restructure the system that there would be no death. The fact that he only does this once he's far closer to a hypothetical prime soul King (after practically absorbing the heart of the soul King and a good chunk of ichigo's own spiritual pressure who's also a soul King candidate) suggests it wasn't possible earlier. There's also the fact that the current structure of the cosmology was only done by a prime soul King. A weak one just sustains the cosmology in its current state
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So is the issue basically if the feat is 3-A or 2-C?
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Ah shit here we go again
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Could just mean that the power he uses to destroy everything is greater than the power he uses to passively keep it all in existence.
Just because a character passively with no visible effort keeps something in existence doesn't also mean said character can't destroy that thing they're keeping in existence with overwhelming power.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what I gather from your post is that you're assuming Yhwach's passive existence is the limits of his power.
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i am not sure if yhwach was maintaining it passively or not but that doesnt change anything as we know he is maintaining the world as haschwalth said without him the world would collapse
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that+ss and wotl arent universes iirc
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Not all agree that it is either
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I see skepticism in why it could be 2-C, but 3-A seems cut and dry given Garganta surrounds the World of the Living which is in the real universe.
What's the issue in that?
What's the issue in that?
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The World of the Living from my understanding and the quotes I've seen is only a part of the universe and not the full thing which is the Old Universe from where the Soul King came.
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