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Bleach Bankai General Discussion Thread #6
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Doesn't his ability depend on what color he and his opponent is wearing to determine it's effectiveness?AppleLord said:
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Yes, I'll settle-and I'll create a blog.Danny1112 said:
I do not know how this works, I do not have the same contact with the other members, I do not know how I can ask them to evaluate, I'm new to this site.
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Well, who made the calculation was Apple, i only to calculate the size KKKK
I can not receive credits for this
I can not receive credits for this
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Go post it here: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1911501?useskin=oasisUSklaverei said:
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Doesn't his ability depend on what color he and his opponent is wearing to determine it's effectiveness?
It seems that it increases Shunsui's AP when he chooses the color black, but leaves him weak to take major damage in return. Starkk died after one attack on his chest from his blade.
It's mainly because of Stark was wearing Black as well. Irooni gives damage proportionate to how risky it is to yourself. For Shunsui it was Black while for Starkk it was white
It seems that it increases Shunsui's AP when he chooses the color black, but leaves him weak to take major damage in return. Starkk died after one attack on his chest from his blade.
It's mainly because of Stark was wearing Black as well. Irooni gives damage proportionate to how risky it is to yourself. For Shunsui it was Black while for Starkk it was white
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it's dura negation. Shunsui could make a nick and it would still cause massive amounts of damage
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ÔÇï I'm back. Sorry for being away so long. My father was hospitalized.
Bleach live action film
So I watched the Bleach live action movie on Netflix. It was quite good. One of the better live-action anime adaptions in a long time. Any Bleach fan would definitely like the film.
What I especially liked was that it stayed overall very faithful to the source material (we even see Rukia using her stupid bunny drawings) while keeping the verse's mythology easy enough to comprehend for newcomers to the franchise. The fights were very well done and the special effects were fantastic. The actors also did a decent job with the roles they were given, especially Byakuya and Renji. And man does Seireitei look awesome.
My only issue with the film is Orihime. She has only a minor role in the film but she was annoying. And keep in mind that I like Orihime in the manga and anime, so me saying this all is quite something.
Feats from the film
Half an hour into the film, Uryu already has a good feat. He shoots an arrow several kilometres in an instant and disperses a cloud.
I'm not sure what the KE on that cloud dispersal would yield, but his arrows are definitely hypersonic. Ichigo, Renji, Grand Fisher all could react to that shit.
Subsonic movement speed with hypersonic combat speeds & reactions for everyone.
What is going on here?
And what in Hueco Mundo is going on here in this thread? It's a mess. Not a shit-storm, but a mess nonetheless.
Wall of Text
Stop quoting walls of text, people! Just stop!
@Dr. Fix
The reasoning on Gin's profile was already there when the 7-A revisions took place. I just fixed up the grammar. I don't know why it was retained by me and who put it there in the first place. I agree that something should be done about that.
And you are 100% right in that Bleach right now is actually treated well, what with everyone and their mother being Tier 7 [remember when the Lieutenants were just 8-B and the Captains were just 8-A to 7-C?], the High 6-A upgrades, and Tier 5 god tiers.
Bleach is hardly being downplayed right now.
Headcano
To all those saying that Yhwach and the other Bleach god tiers were downgraded based on some 'headcanon': They were downgraded based on the canonical cosmology of the verse and with whatever information was available to us at that time regarding that shit. Those supporting the downgrades even provided scans as to how the realms would have been destroyed/merged. I know I agreed to those downgrades, but I distinctly remember that I made a statement about the Bleach god tiers being put at potentially 5-B again if any new evidence came to light in support of that rating. Even Matthew, the one who pushed for the downgrades to being with, agreed with that sentiment. If new evidence has come to light for 5-B Bleach, then publish it after the novel ends (as IMade suggested). Just don't bash the people who downgraded the verse previously based on whatever canonical information was available at that time.
Also: If I see that damn word 'headcanon' being thrown around again, I swear I will replace all instances of it with Flufto's self-destruct code "Snugglebum Oogiewoogie". People throwing around that word has lead to nothing but bickering. I'm sick of that.
Aaroniero's "light dodge"
I recall someone complaining about Aaroniero's light dodging feat being rejected on the grounds of "lol not real light". That is not why it was rejected. It was rejected simply because Relativistic for a weaker Captain level was just inconsistent when significantly stronger characters have only MHS to MHS+ showings, and also because of the reasoning that Aaroniero got out of the way before the simulated sunlight could actually affect him. And I myself explained in the blog in question that the light is indeed real and about how it works.
So stop trying to make it seem as though it was rejected on some laugh-worthy grounds.
Cero Oscuras revision
I have a blog ready regarding this. I will publish it in a few hours. It is all typed up. I just need a scan from IMade and I'm done.
Kyoraku's Bankai
Why are you bothering to make a calc like this for a reality-warping feat from a Bankai which is only hax?
We cannot accept something like this solely because with most or all other reality warping feats we go with estimated size and end it there (usually). A perfect example would be a Warhammer 40000 character being rated 4-B for reality warping a star and planets (ask Azzy or Matthew about this).
The volume estimated here is a few thousand cubic km. That is the volume of the largest mountains on land and the average decently sized island. All it would do is help back up Kyoraku being 6-C to High 6-C (which he will be if/when my latest Cero Oscuras calc is accepted).
Bleach live action film
So I watched the Bleach live action movie on Netflix. It was quite good. One of the better live-action anime adaptions in a long time. Any Bleach fan would definitely like the film.
What I especially liked was that it stayed overall very faithful to the source material (we even see Rukia using her stupid bunny drawings) while keeping the verse's mythology easy enough to comprehend for newcomers to the franchise. The fights were very well done and the special effects were fantastic. The actors also did a decent job with the roles they were given, especially Byakuya and Renji. And man does Seireitei look awesome.
My only issue with the film is Orihime. She has only a minor role in the film but she was annoying. And keep in mind that I like Orihime in the manga and anime, so me saying this all is quite something.
Feats from the film
Half an hour into the film, Uryu already has a good feat. He shoots an arrow several kilometres in an instant and disperses a cloud.
I'm not sure what the KE on that cloud dispersal would yield, but his arrows are definitely hypersonic. Ichigo, Renji, Grand Fisher all could react to that shit.
Subsonic movement speed with hypersonic combat speeds & reactions for everyone.
What is going on here?
And what in Hueco Mundo is going on here in this thread? It's a mess. Not a shit-storm, but a mess nonetheless.
Wall of Text
Stop quoting walls of text, people! Just stop!
@Dr. Fix
The reasoning on Gin's profile was already there when the 7-A revisions took place. I just fixed up the grammar. I don't know why it was retained by me and who put it there in the first place. I agree that something should be done about that.
And you are 100% right in that Bleach right now is actually treated well, what with everyone and their mother being Tier 7 [remember when the Lieutenants were just 8-B and the Captains were just 8-A to 7-C?], the High 6-A upgrades, and Tier 5 god tiers.
Bleach is hardly being downplayed right now.
Headcano
To all those saying that Yhwach and the other Bleach god tiers were downgraded based on some 'headcanon': They were downgraded based on the canonical cosmology of the verse and with whatever information was available to us at that time regarding that shit. Those supporting the downgrades even provided scans as to how the realms would have been destroyed/merged. I know I agreed to those downgrades, but I distinctly remember that I made a statement about the Bleach god tiers being put at potentially 5-B again if any new evidence came to light in support of that rating. Even Matthew, the one who pushed for the downgrades to being with, agreed with that sentiment. If new evidence has come to light for 5-B Bleach, then publish it after the novel ends (as IMade suggested). Just don't bash the people who downgraded the verse previously based on whatever canonical information was available at that time.
Aaroniero's "light dodge"
I recall someone complaining about Aaroniero's light dodging feat being rejected on the grounds of "lol not real light". That is not why it was rejected. It was rejected simply because Relativistic for a weaker Captain level was just inconsistent when significantly stronger characters have only MHS to MHS+ showings, and also because of the reasoning that Aaroniero got out of the way before the simulated sunlight could actually affect him. And I myself explained in the blog in question that the light is indeed real and about how it works.
So stop trying to make it seem as though it was rejected on some laugh-worthy grounds.
Cero Oscuras revision
I have a blog ready regarding this. I will publish it in a few hours. It is all typed up. I just need a scan from IMade and I'm done.
Kyoraku's Bankai
Why are you bothering to make a calc like this for a reality-warping feat from a Bankai which is only hax?
We cannot accept something like this solely because with most or all other reality warping feats we go with estimated size and end it there (usually). A perfect example would be a Warhammer 40000 character being rated 4-B for reality warping a star and planets (ask Azzy or Matthew about this).
The volume estimated here is a few thousand cubic km. That is the volume of the largest mountains on land and the average decently sized island. All it would do is help back up Kyoraku being 6-C to High 6-C (which he will be if/when my latest Cero Oscuras calc is accepted).
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Never seen a Contents section on a comment before, hahaha, welcome back Soldier Blue.
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@soldier
I have a question concerning the 5b bleach,technically from what I recall,some points of the downgrade was based on soul king doing nothing but flowing souls so that the worlds can be stable by this sca
Which is a fan translation,then we have here the original manga scan saying soul king was kept to hold the worlds in tact and has nothing to do with souls and yhwach absorbed him and gained the energy to also hold the worlds in tact shouldn't that bump them to planetary??? As the former scan was based on a false translation??
I have a question concerning the 5b bleach,technically from what I recall,some points of the downgrade was based on soul king doing nothing but flowing souls so that the worlds can be stable by this sca
Which is a fan translation,then we have here the original manga scan saying soul king was kept to hold the worlds in tact and has nothing to do with souls and yhwach absorbed him and gained the energy to also hold the worlds in tact shouldn't that bump them to planetary??? As the former scan was based on a false translation??
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@Soldier
Welcome back, hope things were at least well for you while you were gone. There's like a million Bleach CRTs that have been waiting for you since we needed your final approval.
Resistance Scaling for Certain Quincy Through Blut Vene (unanimous agreements amongst the staff that did comment, waiting for your last say).
MHS+ Soul Society Arc (it was closed cause you were the one who made this tiering, so Ant didn't and a few of us didn't want to mess things up according to previous threads you participated in that set the tiering).
Orihime upgrade thread (we still need to clean up her keys since her power was not the same throughout the whole series).
Dr.Fix's thread where he tried to make Unohana and several others High 6-A from base Kenpachi (we talked about and disagreed about it here if you need to catch up from the very beginning since it's a long thread).
Gremmy Immortality thread (Type 5 and some other possible things).
Ichigo limited resurrection (this one is old and has been going on for a while).
What scan did you need from me as well?
Welcome back, hope things were at least well for you while you were gone. There's like a million Bleach CRTs that have been waiting for you since we needed your final approval.
Resistance Scaling for Certain Quincy Through Blut Vene (unanimous agreements amongst the staff that did comment, waiting for your last say).
MHS+ Soul Society Arc (it was closed cause you were the one who made this tiering, so Ant didn't and a few of us didn't want to mess things up according to previous threads you participated in that set the tiering).
Orihime upgrade thread (we still need to clean up her keys since her power was not the same throughout the whole series).
Dr.Fix's thread where he tried to make Unohana and several others High 6-A from base Kenpachi (we talked about and disagreed about it here if you need to catch up from the very beginning since it's a long thread).
Gremmy Immortality thread (Type 5 and some other possible things).
Ichigo limited resurrection (this one is old and has been going on for a while).
What scan did you need from me as well?
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That scan stating that Cero Oscuras is a magnitude more powerful than a normal Cero.IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
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I didn't, those results were already added.AppleLord said:
@Soldier
I can get it, but wouldn't an actual calc of it destroying Las Noches as stated or as partially demonstrated be better?
I'll have the image, kanji and translations up in a sec.
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We would have to assume something like violent fragmentation, and the results would not really be all that impressive. Going with what we got on-panel, and going with vaporization (three calc group members agreed on using vaporization) the results are still very impressive.IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
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Soldier Blue said:
Cero Oscuras
Bleach UNMASKED Databook 3. Pg. 54
Main Kanji: Þºúµö¥þèµàïÒü½ÒüéÒéïÕìüÕêâÒüîõ¢┐ÒüêÒéï, Ú╗ÆÒüäÞÖÜÚûâÒÇéÚÇÜÕ©©Òü«ÞÖÜÚûâÒü¿µ»öÞ╝âÒüùÒüªÒÇüµíüÚüòÒüäÒü«Õ¿üÕèøÒéƵ£ëÒüÖÒéïµèÇÒÇé
Translation: Usable by the Espada in their released state, Cero Oscuras. In comparison to the regular Cero, it is an ability that is an order of magnitude more powerful.
Sub Text Kanji: õ©ÇµÆâÒüºõ©ÇÞ¡ÀÒü«õ╗«ÚØóÒéÆÕë▓ÒéïÒüáÒüæÒüºÒü¬ÒüÅÒÇüÞÖÜÕñ£Õ««ÒéÆÒééþá┤ÕúèÒüÖÒéïþ¿ïÒü«Õ╝ÀÕèøÒüòÒÇé
Translation: In a single blow Ichigo's mask is broken, it also has the power to destroy Las Noches.
You need Gran Rey Cero and 4th Espada and up entry as well since they can destroy Las Noches as well? GRC is extremely relevant in the novel atm as well so we would need one.
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I completely forgot about Gran Rey Cero (-_-)IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
What does the databook say about it anyway (besides the thing about destroying Las Noches)?
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Gran Rey Cero and Espada 4 and Up Releases
Bleach UNMASKED Databook 3, Pg. 135.
Main Kanji on the Right: Õ«ÖÒéÆÞªåÒüåÒéêÒüåÒü½Þ¿¡ÒüêÒéëÒéîÒüƒÕñ®ÞôïÒÇéþ®║ÒüîµÅÅÒüïÒéîÒüƒÒüØÒü«Õñ®ÞôïÒü«õ©èÒü½Òü»ÒÇüµÅÅÒüïÒéîÒüƒÒéêÒüåÒü¬þ®║ÒéäÚø▓Òü»õ©ÇÕêçÒü¬ÒüŵÜùÒüŵƒôÒéüÒéëÒéîÒüƒþ®║ÚûôÒüîþÂÜÒüÅÒÇéõ©ÇÚâ¿Òü«ÕìüÕêâÒü½Òü»Õñ®ÞôïÒü«õ©èÒüºÒü«Òü┐ÒÇüÒüØÒü«Þºúµö¥ÒéÆÞ¿▒ÒüòÒéîÒüƒµèÇÒüîÒüéÒéïÒÇé
Translation: A canopy installed in order to cover the air. Above the canopy was a drawn sky of space, a sky drawn with never ending darkness and no sky nor clouds in it's space. Some of the Espada are only allowed to use their releasing ability above the canopy.
Main Kanji on the Left: Õñ®ÞôïÒü«õ©ïÒüºþªüÒüÿÒéëÒéîÒüªÒüäÒéïÒüôÒü¿Òü»ÒÇüÕ╝ÀÕñºÒü¬ÞÖÜÚûâÒÇîþÄïÞÖÜÒü«ÚûâÕàëÒÇìÒü«þÖ║ÕïòÒü¿þ¼¼ 4õ╗Ñõ©èÒü«ÕìüÕêäÒü«Õ©░ÕêäÒÇéÞÖÜÕñ£Õ««Òü©Òü«Þó½Õ«│ÒéÆÞÇâµà«ÒüùÒüƒµÄ¬þ¢«ÒÇé
Translation: What are currently forbidden under the canopy are the powerful Cero "Gran Rey Cero" and the activation of the release of the Espada number 4 and up. Both measures would cause considerable damage to Las Noches.
Sub Text Kanji on the Left: õ©ÇÞ¡ÀÒü¿Òü«µ£Çµ£ƒÒü«µêªÒüäÒüºÒÇüÒé░Òâ¬ÒâáÒé©ÒâºÒâ╝Òü»ÒÇîþÄïÞÖÜÒü«ÚûâÕàëÒÇìÒéƵö¥ÒüúÒüƒÒÇé
Translation: In the final battle with Ichigo, Grimmjow fired "Gran Rey Cero".
In the manga, Ulquiorra states both would outright destroy Las Noches too.
Bleach UNMASKED Databook 3, Pg. 135.
Main Kanji on the Right: Õ«ÖÒéÆÞªåÒüåÒéêÒüåÒü½Þ¿¡ÒüêÒéëÒéîÒüƒÕñ®ÞôïÒÇéþ®║ÒüîµÅÅÒüïÒéîÒüƒÒüØÒü«Õñ®ÞôïÒü«õ©èÒü½Òü»ÒÇüµÅÅÒüïÒéîÒüƒÒéêÒüåÒü¬þ®║ÒéäÚø▓Òü»õ©ÇÕêçÒü¬ÒüŵÜùÒüŵƒôÒéüÒéëÒéîÒüƒþ®║ÚûôÒüîþÂÜÒüÅÒÇéõ©ÇÚâ¿Òü«ÕìüÕêâÒü½Òü»Õñ®ÞôïÒü«õ©èÒüºÒü«Òü┐ÒÇüÒüØÒü«Þºúµö¥ÒéÆÞ¿▒ÒüòÒéîÒüƒµèÇÒüîÒüéÒéïÒÇé
Translation: A canopy installed in order to cover the air. Above the canopy was a drawn sky of space, a sky drawn with never ending darkness and no sky nor clouds in it's space. Some of the Espada are only allowed to use their releasing ability above the canopy.
Main Kanji on the Left: Õñ®ÞôïÒü«õ©ïÒüºþªüÒüÿÒéëÒéîÒüªÒüäÒéïÒüôÒü¿Òü»ÒÇüÕ╝ÀÕñºÒü¬ÞÖÜÚûâÒÇîþÄïÞÖÜÒü«ÚûâÕàëÒÇìÒü«þÖ║ÕïòÒü¿þ¼¼ 4õ╗Ñõ©èÒü«ÕìüÕêäÒü«Õ©░ÕêäÒÇéÞÖÜÕñ£Õ««Òü©Òü«Þó½Õ«│ÒéÆÞÇâµà«ÒüùÒüƒµÄ¬þ¢«ÒÇé
Translation: What are currently forbidden under the canopy are the powerful Cero "Gran Rey Cero" and the activation of the release of the Espada number 4 and up. Both measures would cause considerable damage to Las Noches.
Sub Text Kanji on the Left: õ©ÇÞ¡ÀÒü¿Òü«µ£Çµ£ƒÒü«µêªÒüäÒüºÒÇüÒé░Òâ¬ÒâáÒé©ÒâºÒâ╝Òü»ÒÇîþÄïÞÖÜÒü«ÚûâÕàëÒÇìÒéƵö¥ÒüúÒüƒÒÇé
Translation: In the final battle with Ichigo, Grimmjow fired "Gran Rey Cero".
In the manga, Ulquiorra states both would outright destroy Las Noches too.
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I didn't even know about two of these and I unfollowed the Non Canon character cause I thought it was resolved, but quoted for visibility.Dat Dot said:
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Also, we're over 400 messages, it's about time for a new thread especially since all these threads that Soldier missed are gonna become active and perhaps need some discussions again.
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He made a preemptive comment about 5-B Bleach already:
"Those supporting the downgrades even provided scans as to how the realms would have been destroyed/merged. I know I agreed to those downgrades, but I distinctly remember that I made a statement about the Bleach god tiers being put at potentially 5-B again if any new evidence came to light in support of that rating. Even Matthew, the one who pushed for the downgrades to being with, agreed with that sentiment. If new evidence has come to light for 5-B Bleach, then publish it after the novel ends (as IMade suggested). Just don't bash the people who downgraded the verse previously based on whatever canonical information was available at that time."
Just wait a bit, man. It's not going anywhere.
"Those supporting the downgrades even provided scans as to how the realms would have been destroyed/merged. I know I agreed to those downgrades, but I distinctly remember that I made a statement about the Bleach god tiers being put at potentially 5-B again if any new evidence came to light in support of that rating. Even Matthew, the one who pushed for the downgrades to being with, agreed with that sentiment. If new evidence has come to light for 5-B Bleach, then publish it after the novel ends (as IMade suggested). Just don't bash the people who downgraded the verse previously based on whatever canonical information was available at that time."
Just wait a bit, man. It's not going anywhere.
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Yeah, a new thread is needed. This is getting hard to load.
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If only people didn't freaking quote walls of text with hundreds of words.Burning Full Fingers said:
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@imade
That's not what I was referring to,I was talking about the misconception on soul king being able to flow souls or have anything to do with souls based on a fan translation and technically I posted the real manga saying soul king had his reiatsu sealed by the shinigami and used to hold the world from merging,there wasn't any statement in it regarding soul king being able to balance souls,so what am saying is,yhwach absorbed the soul king and stopped the worlds from merging, shouldn't that be at least planet level ap???and am not talking about the yhwach merging the worlds,atleast till I get a viz translation for that.
That's not what I was referring to,I was talking about the misconception on soul king being able to flow souls or have anything to do with souls based on a fan translation and technically I posted the real manga saying soul king had his reiatsu sealed by the shinigami and used to hold the world from merging,there wasn't any statement in it regarding soul king being able to balance souls,so what am saying is,yhwach absorbed the soul king and stopped the worlds from merging, shouldn't that be at least planet level ap???and am not talking about the yhwach merging the worlds,atleast till I get a viz translation for that.
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Be patient, wait for calcs and new feats from the novels
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Can someone calc this because it would be useful for all the Royal Guards as each of them are the King's Key which contains this amount of power passively. It would amp the four other Royal Guards for sure due to power and massive AoE.
https://i.imgur.com/fS8anI3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fS8anI3.jpg
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^ New thread dudeIMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
