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its combat applicable just he doesn't usually use it it seems
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Bill Dura/AP and Speed
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He never demonstrated it in combat.
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doesn't mean he can't use it in combat
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I still have many problems with using a reddit ama to give a character powers or scape them but that's besides the point
The problem with literally everything about bill is that it's inconsistent or based on statements that haven't been shown to be true or that are contested by his showings
The entire last part of the show was filled with pis and bill is the biggest jobber since gilgamesh add on to this that everything bill has been stated to be able to do and the few things he has shown to be able to do are contradicted and shown to be inconsistent and it kinda makes it hard to really scale him or justify higher ratings
To get him a higher rating you have to ignore every single contradiction and anti feat and brush them aside and call them pis or outliersthe sheer amount of them makes his higher showings the outliers tbh but still
The problem with literally everything about bill is that it's inconsistent or based on statements that haven't been shown to be true or that are contested by his showings
The entire last part of the show was filled with pis and bill is the biggest jobber since gilgamesh add on to this that everything bill has been stated to be able to do and the few things he has shown to be able to do are contradicted and shown to be inconsistent and it kinda makes it hard to really scale him or justify higher ratings
To get him a higher rating you have to ignore every single contradiction and anti feat and brush them aside and call them pis or outliers
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So everything wrong with Bill's showings are CIS or PIS?.
For a character like him, consistency is what I'm worried about.
For a character like him, consistency is what I'm worried about.
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There is no consistency that's the problemLordGriffin1000 said:
Any lower showing or problem is instantly disregarded as cis pis or an outlier for whatever reason
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The Dipper screaming part is just prediction. He is a nightmare entity and would know how people react to waking up after he has visited them. Not demonstrated precog.
Knowing when people will die is good, but it's niche and it isn't nigh-omniscience. Some entities are capable of knowing when things will die but have no way of broadening the scope of it, nor does it beget intelligence.
Knowing when people will die is good, but it's niche and it isn't nigh-omniscience. Some entities are capable of knowing when things will die but have no way of broadening the scope of it, nor does it beget intelligence.
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Also to discuss the OP's stuff. I'm neutral on the AP stuff.
Not sure about the Durability given I've not watched GF in a long time. I'm don't agree with the Speed.
Not sure about the Durability given I've not watched GF in a long time. I'm don't agree with the Speed.
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Glad you're telling me that. Time to remove all of Archie Sonic's wins based on conceptual manipulation.ShadowWarrior1999 said:
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Dude, you're my friend and all, but you're nitpicking to downplay.Assaltwaffle said:
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No, most showings in the FINAL EPISODE and final episode alone are CIS or PIS, where they had to justify literal children beating him at his peak.LordGriffin1000 said:
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Glad you're telling me that. Time to remove all of Archie Sonic's wins based on conceptual manipulation.
Cal can you please stop doing that. I get your point but that's a bit irritating. No one is taking away Bill's precog as far as I'm aware.
Cal can you please stop doing that. I get your point but that's a bit irritating. No one is taking away Bill's precog as far as I'm aware.
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The whole point- has CIS or PIS is that he has used the abilities casually like Fire Manipulation, Transmutation before but didn't use to deal with Fords and the protagonists especially use them earlier to deal with the town. Also, he vap. Time Baby but could not deal with the protagonists.LordGriffin1000 said:
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@Cal Except Sonic actually destroyed concepts, but I'd rather stay on topic here.
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@Cal
I really don't think I am, dude. Bill is most consistently not as powerful or intelligent as you're making him out to be. Almost everything about him comes from his own statements, which aren't reliable for several reasons.
Knowing when a couple people will die doesn't mean the dude knows everything, especially when that EXACT claim is shut down by both the creators of the show and the characters themselves when Mabel sprays him. That's the whole joke. It's that, despite what Bill says, he isn't all he is cracked up to be.
I really don't think I am, dude. Bill is most consistently not as powerful or intelligent as you're making him out to be. Almost everything about him comes from his own statements, which aren't reliable for several reasons.
Knowing when a couple people will die doesn't mean the dude knows everything, especially when that EXACT claim is shut down by both the creators of the show and the characters themselves when Mabel sprays him. That's the whole joke. It's that, despite what Bill says, he isn't all he is cracked up to be.
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Glad you're telling me that. Time to remove all of Archie Sonic's wins based on conceptual manipulation.
Cal can you please stop doing that. I get your point but that's a bit irritating. No one is taking away Bill's precog as far as I'm aware.
You have no idea the shit I had to put up with due to the Bill downplay during the past year. My aggressiveness is justified.
Cal can you please stop doing that. I get your point but that's a bit irritating. No one is taking away Bill's precog as far as I'm aware.
You have no idea the shit I had to put up with due to the Bill downplay during the past year. My aggressiveness is justified.
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@Elizhaa
I get what you're saying.
@Cal
True, I don't know what you went through, I've seen Bill Cipher vs matches. But there is no need to bring up other verses.
Anyway I've said everything I've had to say and give my 2 cents.
I get what you're saying.
@Cal
True, I don't know what you went through, I've seen Bill Cipher vs matches. But there is no need to bring up other verses.
Anyway I've said everything I've had to say and give my 2 cents.
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This is the most applicable of Bill's precog feats, which is consistent with him asking Soos if he wanted to hear the exact time and date of his death within the same ep, as well as this other instance of him suggesting to predict something (ignoring the whole reddit thing). Does it even need consistency tho? He predicts Dipper waking up, screaming and his movements.
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I'm gonna be here to say that statements from characters within the verse, especially from the very entity in question, which is Bill, are not all that reliable as we think. I would want to come up with examples from other verses, but I rather not revert to the bad habit of inadvertently deriding the thread even if it's just for a comparison. Honestly, Bill's tiering is fine as it is, though "at most 2-A" feels a bit weird.
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DAMN YOU ALEX
still a great show to watch though
still a great show to watch though
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"possibly 2-A" is more accurate, though, unless he can clearly affect, create, or destroy a countable infinite number of dimensions/universes at once or within a short period of time.Elizhaa said:
Also, isn't he still a 3D character? I apologize if I missed anything else here.
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Yes Bill is 3D.
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You're right. It's shown.Elizhaa said:
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"Never, stated."
Can you clarify what you meant by that? I got confused.
Can you clarify what you meant by that? I got confused.
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I mean dimensionality as Higher dimensional jump are not rare in fiction.Assaltwaffle said:
Again, he liberates his universe well before the event of the show as I have linked above.
Stan stated that he was Non-corporeal when he meets him and call him a being a higher plane.
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Was this part ever discussed during any of the previous visions, though? I think it looks valid, but then again, we can't take everything word for word here.
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But the plot clearly contradicts it. I'm more inclined to simply say that Stanford was wrong.
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The book shows he destroyed and transcended his dimensions earlier not in Weirdmaggedon. It is not really contradicted here. It was not clarified in the show.ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Also, in the book Gravity Falls Journal 3, Standord stated that Bill is the most powerful and dangerous creature that he have meet
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He can't be higher dimensional yet have originated from the second dimension.
Being powerful and dangerous also doesn't equate to being higher dimensional.
Being powerful and dangerous also doesn't equate to being higher dimensional.
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Okay, lemme rethink this. We're taking stuff from a guy's journal that might not really be the most reliable when it comes to comparing what happens in the timeline of the actual show.
Something's not right here...maybe Stan is exaggerating sh**
Something's not right here...maybe Stan is exaggerating sh**
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The Gravity Journal are cannon and we already used them as evidences for the profiles, Dragopentling. They are rewritting of the Journals in the series. Ford Pines is listed as Extraordinary Genius and the Journal was meant for all of his researches and later important encounters. His Statements would be Option 2. I think your view of the journal is unwarranted, Dragopentling.Dragopentling said:
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LOL there was no need to address me by the username twice. Being "an Extraordinary Genius" doesn't necessarily mean it's 100% reliable. Also, Ford Pines experimenting on Bill.....that's kinda amusing, but if it simply means interacting or even just conversating with him in different ways and counting it as experiments, I can see merit to that.
"your view of the journal is unwarranted"
Maybe, but lemme ask this: where was Ford travelling through again prior to meeting Bill Nye?
"your view of the journal is unwarranted"
Maybe, but lemme ask this: where was Ford travelling through again prior to meeting Bill Nye?
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Dragopentling, Ford was doing research on Weirdness Gravity Falls and record his Note in his Journal. He wanted to present his finding to the scientific community before he finds that Bill tricks him where he later refocuses in his research into stopping him.
To hide his knowledge of the portal from Bill and anyone with the wrong thought, he coded his journal and separated them into 3 parts.
https://imgur.com/a/lgIka3Z
To hide his knowledge of the portal from Bill and anyone with the wrong thought, he coded his journal and separated them into 3 parts.
https://imgur.com/a/lgIka3Z
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Why do you keep trying to find an in-verse excuse? Alex wrote Bill to be hurt by attacks like that, but then decided it'd be cool if he was described as higherdimensional.
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I am talking to the other side. Ford wasn't wrong or anything, the author just couldn't bother making a proper character.
I disagree with using statements over litirally every showing, but who cares about that? I just don't see the point of making a profile for a character that acts differently and has different powers and weaknesess than ny of what was ever shown and then saying that this is that character.
I disagree with using statements over litirally every showing, but who cares about that? I just don't see the point of making a profile for a character that acts differently and has different powers and weaknesess than ny of what was ever shown and then saying that this is that character.
