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Bill Dura/AP and Speed

Eficiente said:
Bill isn't higher-D, that much is obvious. Can we move on?
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If the reasoning was because he stated he was 2-D in the final episodes before it wrong because he liberated his dimension much earlier before the show started as I have shown above.

He was referred to as the powerful entity by Ford and Bill in the Mindscape stated he was stronger than TIme Baby.

The nightmare realm is a physical universe, not some 2-D place-which Ford and Mabel travel in.
 
May I remind y'all that being called higher-d doesn't mean jack if you don't show it. A monster from Rick and Morty said he was 4-D but got bodied by an old man.

Bill transcended his own 2-D world after bringing devastation to it and became a non-corporeal 3-D. He operated on three dimensions but had no physical form. When he gained physical form he became a full-on 3-D, and everything he showed after gaining that form indicates that.
 
Assaltwaffle said:
May I remind y'all that being called higher-d doesn't mean jack if you don't show it. A monster from Rick and Morty said he was 4-D but got bodied by an old man.
Bill transcended his own 2-D world after bringing devastation to it and became a non-corporeal 3-D. He operated on three dimensions but had no physical form. When he gained physical form he became a full-on 3-D, and everything he showed after gaining that form indicates that.
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Technically, being called higher dimensional 4-d but not showing any concrete Tier 2 feats like complete space-time destruction is High 3-A in the tiering system.

There bad showing disproved by feats which true and the don't Grant higher-dimensional existence but Bill has feats and statements to back-up higher dimensional existence is true
 
Elizhaa said:
Technically, being called higher dimensional 4-d but not showing any concrete Tier 2 feats like complete space-time destruction is High 3-A in the tiering system.
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No. If you are called 4-D, or any higher D, but then contradict it, then you are inquantifiable.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Elizhaa said:
Technically, being called higher dimensional 4-d but not showing any concrete Tier 2 feats like complete space-time destruction is High 3-A in the tiering system.
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No. If you are called 4-D, or any higher D, but then contradict it, then you are inquantifiable.
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Where are the contradictions, he has liberated his 2-D dimension well before meeting Ford and was called have a reign of terror by 3-D being?

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Even if he were outright stated to be 4-D numerous times, he's still not 4-D under our standards. Granted, this is not due to "1 or 2 contradictions to this", but still, please don't keep bringing this matter.
 
We tend to ignore claims of higher-dimensionality if the displayed scale of a character clearly contradicts such a degree of power.
 
Eficiente said:
Even if he were outright stated to be 4-D numerous times, he's still not 4-D under our standards. Granted, this is not due to "1 or 2 contradictions to this", but still, please don't keep bringing this matter.
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I was posting new evidence my points which I aim to always do
 
I found the quote about the higher-dimensional being from Ford the quote full context was missing since Ford didn't really no much about Bill.

Also, Bill stated he was more powerful than the characters frozen in glacier-Time Baby here and the glacier text was in the episode S1E8.

Also, this is not Full-power as even in the nightmare realm he still has a reign of terror felt though universes such as Dimension 52. Also, in the book Gravity Falls Journal 3, Stanford stated that Bill is the most powerful and dangerous creature that he has meet and this would likely include Time Baby since Stan mentioned him in dimension 52 text.

My argument is only that Bil would be 3-D before the series started.
 
You know, if the CRT Ultima made about the dimensions and things then Bill would stop being fodder and would probably lose his 2-A key.

Also that thing about dimensions 52 isn't going to be accepted.
 
Elizhaa said:
My argument is only that Bil would be 3-D before the series started.
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Well, seems to make sense, what would this change?
 
Tony di bugalu, laws of universe would be dimensionless and beyond reality by nature and most case could be considered Concepts Type 2 though
 
Really not, Law in most case has been created alongside the reality/Universe. Type 2 mean that this Concept existed before the object of it (the reality/Universe)

And even, this could be just Law Manipulation.
 
Now that the difference between Scalar and Vector Quantities is established, it is fairly easy to see where I am going with this, as I mentioned earlier: Energy is a Scalar Quantity, and so are Mass and Speed, the quantities which are used to measure Energy, and by extension, Power, in the first place. Hence, Energy is a dimensionless concept, and is fully independent from direction or displacement, and thus, from Dimensionality as a whole, meaning a punch of 10 joules will still have a value of 10 joules regardless if it is done by a being of Dimension 3, 5 or 100.

As a matter of fact, Higher-Dimensional Beings would abide by the same physical and mathematical principles as we do, as stated by actual mathematicians. The fundamental laws of physics are inherently dimensionless, and they would effectively be the same in Higher-Dimensions going by a mathematical, more fundamental sense, they would only operate differently in a physical sense, and that would be due to the additional axis of movement inherent to the Higher-Dimensional Space; say, the newtonian law of gravitation would be the same mathematical principle within a Universe of 4 dimensions, but the way it functions would appear different because, for example, Orbits work differently in more than 3 dimensions.

The laws are dimensionless and looks different in higher dimensions. Based on the dimension restriction of the tiering systems, they could be Concept Type 2.

  • 2. False Platonic Concept: Such concepts, or forms, are mostly transcendent of reality. These concepts shape all of reality and whatever level that reality exists in, and everything in reality "participates" in these concepts. These concepts interact with their objects in the same manner as listed above. In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept on whatever scale has been shown.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Uh what? Bill has never manipulated a concept.
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The way the proposal is the described physics manipulation could possibly be concept since they are dimensionless or beyond reality in shorts.
 
@Eliza Being Higher D or dimensionsless mean nothing about Type 2 Concept, those can be Type 4 and 3 too, all of your text doesn't even justify Type 2

And removing the Law of Reality = Law Manipulation.
 
Totallynotchewbacca said:
he has a 7 deadly sins feat
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No he doesn't. Decribing something as "my babies" in no way means he created them.

That is simply a way to express affection towards something.
 
...Everything. Like, there really isn't anything that was peft in-tact in gravity falls.
 
Eficiente said:
Elizhaa said:
My argument is only that Bil would be 3-D before the series started.
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Well, seems to make sense, what would this change?
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If the accepted view was that Bill transcends on Weirdmaggedon he could be 4-D and Low 2-C.

In any case, though I believe with the concepts in Ultima's Op should be clarified further; it looks like Haxes won't really be restricted by Higher-Dimensional Existence if Ultima's proposal is accepted
 
I mean, some will still.

The suggestion is a basic thing to aply for verses that don't specify higher dimensions to be different. Cthulhu Mythos still dunks on everyone.
 
The way the proposal is the described physics manipulation could possibly be concept since they are dimensionless or beyond reality in shorts.

A concept has to be an abstract form. Bill has never manipulated such a thing.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
I mean, some will still.
The suggestion is a basic thing to aply for verses that don't specify higher dimensions to be different. Cthulhu Mythos still dunks on everyone.
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I remember seeing on a thread one timehere of some sexy cthulhu mythos monster, i think azathoth

that was scary
 
You should ask for input from some other administrators and discussion moderators.
 
Elizhaa said:
The way the proposal is the described physics manipulation could possibly be concept since they are dimensionless or beyond reality in shorts.
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They are dimensionless and beyond reality in shorts seems to support it
 
We tend to use concept manipulation for abstract ideas, not energy manipulation. A solar energy panel cannot control the ideas of love, hate, chaos, and order. It is still part of the rational physical science realm.
 
eh may as well post this here

Bill's ability seperation between his 2-D and 3-D keys are whack

The only abilities that Bill should have that are only in his 3-D key are his law/physics/causality shenanigans, time manipulation, acausality, and low-godly regen.

But for some reason his keys makes it seem like he can't do fire manipulation, duplication, energy beams, or ******* telekinesis without being 3-D.
 
I suppose that seems to be a valid point.
 
@Edward good point

Bill Cipher has to be the absolute worst character for versus debating and stat finding in general

I still personally think since so much is contradicted and inconsistent, we should give him what he 100% has and everything that's iffy or contradicted past the point of PIS we give a possibly
 
Let's concentrate on one thing at a time. If we agree with Edward let's fix that first.
 
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